#4998456 - 08/30/10 01:32 AM
Mustang hits 200k
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ReplicaR
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 This was on the way to the race track as well. This was the first time we did a night event, and it was a blast

On the side notes, even though the temps at the track were fairly low, the car still ran hot. The long block has never been opened up. Oil temps were through the roof, as it went past 280 indication, and water temp was around 220 or more the whole session. Somehow the motor still held up, but I've got a feeling that it's finally time to think about the way of retiring it. It just really bugs me that car will be fine driving it around town all day long, hot or cold, running AC and everything, but as soon as it goes on the track, all hell breaks loose. My friend told me to just replace the motor with another stock fresh motor, and have fun with it. I might just do that.
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#4998485 - 08/30/10 02:14 AM
Re: Mustang hits 200k
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progressi
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Do you have an oil cooler?
Ive heard that some stock vehicles (I think I heard this regarding the new 370s and 335s) run high oil temps on the track,let alone your modded car with crazy miles on it.
It would be nice if you could address oil cooling and somehow have it be OK for a while,then..if you get a new motor you could still benefit from the insurance.
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#4998763 - 08/30/10 09:30 AM
Re: Mustang hits 200k
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LNXGUY
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Nice man! 200k is nothing to sneeze at.
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#4999179 - 08/30/10 12:31 PM
Re: Mustang hits 200k
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Design
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Indeed. Especially one that sees as many track days as yours.
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#4999364 - 08/30/10 01:27 PM
Re: Mustang hits 200k
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ReplicaR
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I used to have oil cooler on the car, but it was a cheapie Ford Racing piece, so it took a long mount of line to install it, and and it always leaked, and I mounted it in front of the radiator, so it kinda blocked the flow, so after a while I took it off.
I'm going to piece together another kit, this time using braided lines, and thicker as well. I'll position it flat at the bottom and either install a scoop of some sort, or an electric fan.
As far as the new long block goes, it will not be a "new" long block per say. I will probably just get a machined block and take my time to put it together right. I want to keep the same combo of parts I already have to keep the cost down. Maybe I'll throw in some more parts at it, if I find some cheap during the build. In either case, I don't think I'll be on track until december, so I've got some time to get things going.
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#5006172 - 09/01/10 08:31 PM
Re: Mustang hits 200k
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ReplicaR
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Ok, new plan. Decided that since the bottom end is still good, I'm going to keep it, and just do head gaskets and refinish the stock heads while I'm in the process. I also will most likely get a new oil cooler, and a road race oil pan while I'm in the process of doing all this. I'll post more details once things start moving.
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#5006227 - 09/01/10 08:49 PM
Re: Mustang hits 200k
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max
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Nice! 
Mine's hovering around 126k mi now, but it doesn't get the same amount of love these days. I'd like to get the torque arm and panhard installed this winter though.
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#5006725 - 09/02/10 12:28 AM
Re: Mustang hits 200k
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ReplicaR
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Don't dump a whole bunch of money that you don't have. Rule #2
Besides, I think cleaned up heads will probably give me back some power lost in usage.
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#5382096 - 02/18/11 03:31 AM
Re: Mustang hits 200k
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patconor
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Ok, new plan. Decided that since the bottom end is still good, I'm going to keep it, and just do cylinder head gasket set and refinish the stock heads while I'm in the process. I also will most likely get a new oil cooler, and a road race oil pan while I'm in the process of doing all this. I'll post more details once things start moving.
Bump. That's a neat plan. Any updates since then. I agree with the rules that killerbeeVR6 and ReplicaR gave.
Edited by patconor (02/20/11 10:12 PM)
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#5383149 - 02/18/11 02:55 PM
Re: Mustang hits 200k
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ReplicaR
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It does not seem to be using any oil at all. Between 6k mile oil change with Motul, it only went down 3rd of the quart, and I'm pretty sure that's mostly from the leaking rear main seal. That's with 3 weekends of events on it. I actually had it out last weekend, ever since I did the high flow pump, and changed factory timing chain, and it ran sweet the first session (temp fluctuated between 185 and 195), but in later session it started to run hot again. Felt to me like I lost pressure in the cooling system. I ordered Moroso Racing caps, 16lbs for street and 21lbs for the track. We'll see if that will help me. Also, this is an older thread, I posted more recent updates in my headgasket thread, and I don't know why this one got bumped.
P.S.: Car crossed 210k a couple of days ago.
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#5385380 - 02/19/11 11:07 PM
Re: Mustang hits 200k
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LNXGUY
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Exteneded OCI's are fine if you are running on the highway 95% of the time. But not if you are in stop and go traffic. I actually just changed my oil today.. 30k OCI, lol whoops
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#5388714 - 02/22/11 07:20 AM
Re: Mustang hits 200k
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FCobra94
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Exteneded OCI's are fine if you are running on the highway 95% of the time. According to who/what? That may be true for 95% of the cars out there when running a decent oil, but not the N54/N55 equipped BMWs. Even Mobil 1 0w-40 has been destroyed in as little as 1k miles of average driving with these motors. They throw out far too much heat/fuel dilution to run safe at the factory recommended 15k mile OCI.
Maybe if you were running a biosyn like RLI, etc. I'd feel safe coming close to maybe 10k, but not until multiple UOAs were done to make sure everything was still in check.
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#5389021 - 02/22/11 10:08 AM
Re: Mustang hits 200k
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LNXGUY
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Exteneded OCI's are fine if you are running on the highway 95% of the time. According to who/what? That may be true for 95% of the cars out there when running a decent oil, but not the N54/N55 equipped BMWs. Even Mobil 1 0w-40 has been destroyed in as little as 1k miles of average driving with these motors. They throw out far too much heat/fuel dilution to run safe at the factory recommended 15k mile OCI. Maybe if you were running a biosyn like RLI, etc. I'd feel safe coming close to maybe 10k, but not until multiple UOAs were done to make sure everything was still in check.
There is something wrong if you are destroying a Group IV PAO Full syn in a thousand miles or less. Are those engines that shitty?
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#5389110 - 02/22/11 10:52 AM
Re: Mustang hits 200k
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FCobra94
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There is something wrong if you are destroying a Group IV PAO Full syn in a thousand miles or less. Are those engines that shitty? I wouldn't say that. It's just that 15k mile OCIs are a stretch to begin with; adding forced induction, direct injection, etc. doesn't make it any easier. The only way to make sure it's safe to run OCIs past 5k in this particular motor is to UOA IMO.
Here's what Terry Dyson has to say about it:
I have customers running BMW5w30, M1 0w40 all with the same effect, the wear control is good if we change the oil at 1000 mile intervals but the deposit formation from REAL volatility issues are slowly damaging the engines. I just worked a 07 335 Biturbo yesterday USING ASTM lab tests on the used oil and M1 0w40 went from VOA flash of 430+F to 240 F in 1150 miles, oil sheared to 12.1 cSt and fuel was at 1.99% by IR. Amsoil has not been tested in this engine yet. Because Amsoil is a traditional based PAO I predict similar results to the M1 0w40 which is still one of few M1 products that can perform reasonably well.
RLI BIOSYN is the only oil I am seeing work well in DI RS4 or 2.0 Audi or the BMW bi turbo 3.0 I6 in the 335I. They both are killing every oil I used to recommend. I am not kidding and have no interest in promoting one oil over the other.
reb03, the M1 0w40 should not be run longer than 1000 miles to be safe.. Audi and BMW know they are having problems but are marketing tied to certain LARGE oil company that sponsors BITOG thus they cannot speak out about it.
GC 0w30 green might work well here but the fuels chemistries have changed so much that it may be out of date to protect as well as I would want to see.
Sure, there are a few UOAs floating around showing that GC and even the BMW 5w30 have been able to take the abuse of track days, etc. but I wouldn't trust those couple of good UOAs over a TON of mediocre examples when planning out a OCI schedule.
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#5389215 - 02/22/11 11:23 AM
Re: Mustang hits 200k
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NHRATA01
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Exteneded OCI's are fine if you are running on the highway 95% of the time. According to who/what? That may be true for 95% of the cars out there when running a decent oil, but not the N54/N55 equipped BMWs. Even Mobil 1 0w-40 has been destroyed in as little as 1k miles of average driving with these motors. They throw out far too much heat/fuel dilution to run safe at the factory recommended 15k mile OCI.
Interesting. You know, I'm hearing the same issue with the GM 3.0/3.6 DI motors and breaking down the oil quickly. I'm wondering if fuel dilution and accelerated oil degradation is going to become a common issue with gasoline direct-injection engines?
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#5390165 - 02/22/11 03:51 PM
Re: Mustang hits 200k
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Can somebody answer me this? Why is DI harder on the oil?
Fuel dilution seems to be the issue.
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#5391442 - 02/23/11 08:19 AM
Re: Mustang hits 200k
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FCobra94
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Yes, but how is fuel getting into the oil? Also why is it not burning off like regular EFI cars? Are the mazda DI cars having similar issues? DI is supposed to increase efficiency, which tells me that it atomizes the fuel better, which should reduce dilution. From what I've read here, it seems that Mazda tuned their motor to run super rich: http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?123717022-Fueling-AFR-Discussion-VERY-LONG
With all that extra fuel, various injector timing algorithms, and as much as 2k psi of pressure, it's not hard to see why so much gas ends up making it's way past the rings and into the oil; especially with cars that don't see a ton of highway miles. It's not that surprising at all IMO. I'm sure the EVO X motor suffers from the same issues given that it's stock AFR can dip into the 9:1 range, IIRC.
I do think it's ironic that some manufacturers run their conventionaly injected motors overly lean under load for emissions purposes, but when it comes to DI, engineers do the exact opposite and completely neglect the benefits of ultra lean burn altogether and would rather have them run pig rich...what gives?
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#5391957 - 02/23/11 11:19 AM
Re: Mustang hits 200k
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I'm thinking part of the issue is you don't have as much time, and probably not as much turbulent airflow, for the fuel to completely atomize vs. a port injected motor, and thus more fuel ends up on the cylinder walls and then past the rings into the oil.
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#5392202 - 02/23/11 12:34 PM
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