#3915759 - 07/19/09 03:48 PM
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#3915780 - 07/19/09 04:02 PM
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very nice.
Will like to see what the average is once more get out but seems to at least have the speed of the prev gen freaks.
Will be great if these are a performance upgrade over the last gen.
Edit looks like most are running low 13s at around or just a mph or lower than 109s.
Will love to see the minor bolt ons get into the deeper 12s.
Edited by Outkast (07/19/09 04:05 PM)
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#3916678 - 07/19/09 11:47 PM
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Will love to see the minor bolt ons get into the deeper 12s.
I'd imagine drag radials knocking off another half second.
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#3916745 - 07/20/09 12:21 AM
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i coulda sworn the ls1s where knocking down low 13s stock/freemods.
I remember si vs all all buying them like they were srt-4s back in the day.
Edited by Outkast (07/20/09 12:21 AM)
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#3918240 - 07/20/09 02:17 PM
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The old Camaro SS were mid 13sec cars trapping 105-106mph car on average. Only on the internet did they become 12 sec cars trapping close to 110mph. The new Camaro seems to be much closer to what the Internet previous gen Camaros could do. I saw a couple in person and I have to admit they look really nice. I wouldn't mind one at all. Maybe I'll test drive one.
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#3918686 - 07/20/09 04:26 PM
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The old Camaro SS were mid 13sec cars trapping 105-106mph car on average. Only on the internet did they become 12 sec cars trapping close to 110mph. The new Camaro seems to be much closer to what the Internet previous gen Camaros could do. I saw a couple in person and I have to admit they look really nice. I wouldn't mind one at all. Maybe I'll test drive one.
Agreed. I don't think I ever once saw a stock LS1 trapping more than about 105-106 and the overwhelming majority trapped 103-104.
I took a pic under the hood of a new camaro at a car show on saturday. still lots of room to fit a turbo under there lol.
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#3920117 - 07/21/09 03:46 AM
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Muscle Mustangs&Fast Ford's magazine tested a bone stock LS1 Z28 and ran consecutive high-12's with it stock.
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#3920943 - 07/21/09 12:20 PM
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Not only is it faster,but it's quieter,handles better,has better brakes,is more roomier,a better warranty,will probably respond to mods better and it has a better interior,that only 3/4s of the dash fappers will berate.
I saw one two weeks ago and thought the interior was nice for a pony car. I thought the quality of plastics wasnt impressive,but the panel fit was nice and it looked like all the switchgear was good. Too many people get caught up comparing it to GTIs and BMWs,before they realise that those cars dont run 12s.
These cars,you get to pay for the drivetrain instead of the germanic interior.
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#3920953 - 07/21/09 12:25 PM
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NOT spotch...
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Not only is it faster,but it's quieter,handles better,has better brakes,is more roomier,a better warranty,will probably respond to mods better and it has a better interior,that only 3/4s of the dash fappers will berate.
I saw one two weeks ago and thought the interior was nice for a pony car. I thought the quality of plastics wasnt impressive,but the panel fit was nice and it looked like all the switchgear was good. Too many people get caught up comparing it to GTIs and BMWs,before they realise that those cars dont run 12s.
These cars,you get to pay for the drivetrain instead of the germanic interior.
Well, and it doesn't look like a titanic-sized catfish. Don't get me wrong, the older Camaros looked mean but the newer ones just look better IMHO.
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#3921021 - 07/21/09 12:49 PM
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#3921111 - 07/21/09 01:24 PM
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Not the same thing at all.
Those two cars cater to a completely different demographic. Pony cars are almost in a class of their own. If BMW made a stripped down 5 series coupe with a v8 we could compare,but the 1 series compact with a turbo 6 and boring styling is not going to be competition.
In short,someone who wants a v8 musclecar isnt going to look at BMWs smallest performance coupe. They want style,and a v8. I bet they're more likely to want to mod that car too,which BMW seems highly against.
There are about 10x the amount of people here on SVA that would cross-shop the two,compared to the "real world". I doubt I would,they are almost polar opposites.
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#3921256 - 07/21/09 02:08 PM
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In short,someone who wants a v8 musclecar isnt going to look at BMWs smallest performance coupe. They want style,and a v8. I bet they're more likely to want to mod that car too,which BMW seems highly against.
I look at everything when consider a new car. The 135 might be BMW's smallest car, but it probably has as much interior/storage space as the Camaro and similar overall performance with more options too. I am checking out G35 sedans, Maximas, 330's, Genesis coupes, Camaros, Mustangs etc. I know not everyone is me, but a guy at my work was checking out used Caymans, S2000s, Mustangs, Camaros - used to own an RX8. It just comes down to a well thought out, moderately practical, decent performing package.
So they do get cross shopped by some people at least. The price/performance/features are all there to compete with the Camaro.
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#3921400 - 07/21/09 03:00 PM
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and one is far nicer... plus cheaper to insure/free to maintain.
You overestimate the quality of the interior/drivetrain of the 135i. Having driven an auto convertible one for over a week while waiting for another one to come in I wasn't impressed with what was a $48,000 car (auto and vert added $5k to price). For that money, you could get a SS and have plenty of change leftover. Even without the vert, an average price of $43,000 for a 135i isn't anywhere near a bargain.
For over $10k less, I'm much happier with my purchase of a 370. The interior of the 370 is far better than the boring ass interior of the 135i IMO.
In summary, the 135i does not set any standard for value (it's overpriced) or quality (it's average at best).
Oh, and that free maintenance means you have to wait until 8,000 miles for an oil change. And tires aren't included.
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#3921626 - 07/21/09 04:24 PM
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I agree 135i was exciting before they announced the price when we all thought it would be a 3Xk car. like it should be..
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#3921653 - 07/21/09 04:35 PM
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and one is far nicer... plus cheaper to insure/free to maintain. You overestimate the quality of the interior/drivetrain of the 135i. Having driven an auto convertible one for over a week while waiting for another one to come in I wasn't impressed with what was a $48,000 car (auto and vert added $5k to price). For that money, you could get a SS and have plenty of change leftover. Even without the vert, an average price of $43,000 for a 135i isn't anywhere near a bargain. For over $10k less, I'm much happier with my purchase of a 370. The interior of the 370 is far better than the boring ass interior of the 135i IMO. In summary, the 135i does not set any standard for value (it's overpriced) or quality (it's average at best). Oh, and that free maintenance means you have to wait until 8,000 miles for an oil change. And tires aren't included.
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#3922734 - 07/22/09 12:19 AM
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cliff st-clair
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The 135i pisses me off.
For those who want a BMW and must have the Twin turbo, nut up and get yourselves the 335i.
135i looks ghey and costs way too much for what it is.
Edited by cliff st-clair (07/22/09 12:23 AM)
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#3922857 - 07/22/09 01:28 AM
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#3924082 - 07/22/09 01:06 PM
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It wasnt a discussion about BMWs though. It was about how fast the new Camaro is. Seems a bit fanboy to run in and go "A BMWS BETTER AND CHEAEPR."
And you're obsessed with using the maintenance to show the BMW as cheaper,but what happens when you start paying for those BMW parts yourself? Then Im sure whatever you've gained starts to look trivial in comparison. Ive heard the 1 series are going through alot of DI fuel pumps which are incredibly pricey. Noise was telling me part of the reason he bought another Evo X was that the failure rates are so high.
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#3927014 - 07/23/09 11:31 AM
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Good for you Pat,funny you mention bots,you're like the irritated argument causing bot that can never let anything go.
Good job at the name calling,very childish. Oh well,you didnt get your way so you took the low road and threw a tantrum. I dont know what your problem's been but it's getting worse. You have pretty much nothing to offer this site any more except to be irritable and overly defensive. Look for new enemies elsewhere Pat,Im done with you.
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#3928076 - 07/23/09 03:56 PM
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