#8046747 - 01/15/15 11:57 AM
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I think the biggest barrier for first time marathoners is trepidation of the weekly training mileage, and the potential for injury. For me, just getting to 20+ miles was a huge mental breakthrough. My only regret was not following the training plan more closely. I did follow Higdon's recommendation of not skipping the longer rungs. But I do wish I had incorporated the short (and often easy) run the day prior. And I do wish I had incorporated more speed training.
This time around the mental block is more about getting past the fear of injury, and just knocking out the mileage at the recommended pace. Stickaz - it sounds like you might go through a similar transition.
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#8046976 - 01/15/15 01:42 PM
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You're forgetting that neither Donnie not were ever runners prior to a few years ago. I've told my stories of falling apart in several marathons and every one of my IM runs. Donnie has his story of passing out on the trail a couple years ago.  No reason not to try and learn something from all of us that have experiences to pass on.
This is the biggest advice I can give, train to embrace the pain not avoid it.
Its going to hurt and suck no matter how much you train, expect it and go with it.
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#8047322 - 01/15/15 05:12 PM
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sprinting pushes your body
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#8047356 - 01/15/15 05:44 PM
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yea fortunately it has nothing to do with running. this was my counterpoint to 'pushing your body is supposed to hurt'. a 20-something second 100% effort/hypoxic explosion is like a release--it doesnt hurt
no, it doesnt. certainly not like your ultra stuff
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#8047372 - 01/15/15 05:56 PM
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yea on the pain scale its like a 1 on the 1 to what happens to marathon newbs at/about mile 17 being a 8 and natural childbirth to shaq jr. w/o pain meds being a 10 and whatever happens after mile 70 of an ultra I imagine is an 11
now does a USRPT workout for sprinters hurt? sure, but that isn't what I was talking about. Now we're up to maybe a 3-4
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#8048784 - 01/16/15 03:51 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread
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My marathon recovery has typically been 1-2 days before most of the soreness is gone. It's not really something I feel on the track; that's more general fatigue.
I've learned that the cramping felt by some marathoners in the later miles is partly due to sodium loss. Electrolyte capsules or salt would probably address this problem, as it has for me. Cramping/soreness involved with recovery seems to happen after 30-60 minutes of inactivity.
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#8048829 - 01/16/15 04:08 PM
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Also, it sounds like you're expecting to fail Stickaz. Doesn't have to be that way with a good training plan. My first marathon last year was a learning experience but hardly a failure. I had one restroom stop and some general fatigue. But my mental state was rock solid from start to finish.
IMO most of the learning/failures happen during training. As I mentioned above, I kept cramping pretty bad around mile 15-17. Chris and others suggested Salt Tabs; solved my problem immediately. I'm sure you'll encounter and overcome your own roadblocks in training as well.
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#8049136 - 01/16/15 08:38 PM
Re: Running/Cardio Thread
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#8049298 - 01/17/15 03:53 AM
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LOL. 
In other news, capped off a good training week with a 17+ miler tonight (34 total). Changed the route in favor of hills. A LOT of hills. Time suffered a bit @ 2:46:46. But I'm thinking this is good prep work for LA.
The good news is that I felt strong the entire run, despite some aggressive hills spanning over a mile each. It allowed me to pick up the pace the last couple miles.
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#8050171 - 01/18/15 12:54 PM
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I just ran a half this morning in just under 1:52. Pretty happy about that considering I just started using kettlebells. On Thursday I did a leg exercise and this morning they still fucking hurt, right off the bat running hurt, so still being able to pull in under 2 hours was awesome. It helped that the weather was great and besides crossing 2 bridges twice there was no elevation, lol Florida.
The fun part was the mass start for a 5k, 5 miler, half-marathon, marathon and 50k. It was close to 2000 people all at once, lol. First mile was 10:24 just because of so many people.
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#8050264 - 01/18/15 02:46 PM
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So true. Pushing your body is supposed to hurt. There are definitely different kinds of hurt. Running a hard 10k, pushing yourself through fatigue to the end, and feeling like you might pass out or puke at the end is fun. Running on joints that hurt because they need time to recover is not fun. At least not to me. Anyway, my wife told me she wants me to do another full with her. I really don't want to, but told her if I got my half low enough I would consider it. Maybe if I get my half under 1:40. I doubt I am even capable of that so I should be safe
Of course...Im not talking about "doing serious damage" pain...just that of hard work, fatigue, and exhaustion. IMO the marathon is far from the end-all be-all of running. Plenty of other distances to challenge yourself. Have you tried running on trails? It can be a life changer.
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#8050980 - 01/19/15 02:16 AM
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Some good results guys. 
Went and did a Spartan Race with a friend today. 5 miles, 1000+ ft of vert, and 26 obstacles. The only saving grace was that the weather was a nice 72. It was a real confidence booster being able to do some of the challenges without barely beating an eyelash, while those around me looked like they wanted to die. Carrying a 60lb sandbag 1/8 mile uphill should have been much worse than it really was.
That said, there were a couple of strength based obstacles - such as the rope climb - that I look to as opportunities lol. It was a good reminder that I was wanting to build in a few more free weight exercises into my routine.
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#8051162 - 01/19/15 09:38 AM
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So true. Pushing your body is supposed to hurt. There are definitely different kinds of hurt. Running a hard 10k, pushing yourself through fatigue to the end, and feeling like you might pass out or puke at the end is fun. Running on joints that hurt because they need time to recover is not fun. At least not to me. Anyway, my wife told me she wants me to do another full with her. I really don't want to, but told her if I got my half low enough I would consider it. Maybe if I get my half under 1:40. I doubt I am even capable of that so I should be safe Of course...Im not talking about "doing serious damage" pain...just that of hard work, fatigue, and exhaustion. IMO the marathon is far from the end-all be-all of running. Plenty of other distances to challenge yourself. Have you tried running on trails? It can be a life changer.
I would love to run on trails but they just aren't convenient. Spending 40-60 minutes in the car round trip to go run when I can just walk out the door in run isn't a good use of my time even if I would enjoy it. Maybe when my daughter is older.
Trail running would also introduce all kinds of new ways for me to hurt myself.
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#8060971 - 01/25/15 06:50 PM
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Decided to post here instead of my other thread for the half I ran today. Considering a half is far from an ultra.  So I ran the Miami Half-Marathon today, along with 13 thousand other people. It was a nice course with perfect weather, high hit 55, started around 40 is my guess. Ran through Miami and Miami Beach, was neat to see the cruise ships, as I've never been on a cruise nor seen one of those boats semi-up close like that, wow. they're large, lol.
I ran in a pair of shoes I bought yesterday and hated. So I returned them for different shoes. My last 2 shoes have been Brooks PureConnect3 and Altra The One 2. Both of them give me pain in my right big toe that then goes down into the ball of my foot behind my big toe. Trying to figure out a different shoe that helps. So I got a stability shoe, New Balance 1340v2 and they felt good in the store, but within a mile of the race they were really hurting the balls of my feet. I ended up with a blister on my left foot, which is my first running blister ever. So I returned them for the Saucony Cortana 4. These felt good in the store as well, we'll see what happens this week with them. I am debating on trying the Altra Repetition or Provision, as they're stability shoes with high/medium cushioning. I do like the size of the Altra, just The One 2's aren't the best for me. However, the running store I go to doesn't carry those shoes, so I might check another store.
The race itself went well with me finishing in 1:48:59 officially, which is my 2nd fastest half. I was happy with running that strong on sore feet and bad shoes, lol. My last 4 miles were: 8:09, 7:54, 7:47, 7:35. Pretty happy about finishing strong, my 3 fastest miles were the last 3 and each was faster than the last. So that was nice. Now I have until March 1st for my next half.
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#8061010 - 01/25/15 07:27 PM
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Good job man. Nice times!
Wrapped up another big training week @ 34.75 miles. Friday's 16 mile run followed a moderate 6.75 miler the day prior. Lots and lots of hills too. I think my calves have had enough lol.
I have one interval session tonight. The rest of the week is all slow runs to soak up the previous weeks of heavy training.
7 weeks until LA Marathon.
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#8061044 - 01/25/15 07:56 PM
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Sounds like a nice week Design!
And as usual Ironmom is killing it! 13th is nuts. Well, unless that's out of 13. 
But seriously man you rocked that race! Makes my race today feel slow lol.
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#8061186 - 01/25/15 10:16 PM
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Sounds like a nice week Design! And as usual Ironmom is killing it! 13th is nuts. Well, unless that's out of 13. But seriously man you rocked that race! Makes my race today feel slow lol.
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#8061188 - 01/25/15 10:18 PM
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You are a beast dude. Nice work. 
I decided to skip my interval training tonight in favor of resting my right calf. Going to ice and resume tomorrow.
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#8062468 - 01/26/15 04:23 PM
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#8062544 - 01/26/15 05:14 PM
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You guys are killing me.
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#8062576 - 01/26/15 05:45 PM
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#8064451 - 01/27/15 06:47 PM
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Anyone ever run in Altra Provision or Repetition shoes before? Interested in looking at some level of stability shoe. I just got a pair of Saucony Cortana and will run in them tomorrow for the first time, so we'll see how they go. I do like the zero drop and large toe box on the Altra's I do have (The One) but they don't support my foot the way I'd like.
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