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#57963 - 10/06/04 08:16 PM biggest shot possible with internal mods
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thw book says 100 + shot
where does + end
i just want to know what the biggest shot possibel is on the d16z6
with aftermarket rods pistons rings cam cam gear valves and springs
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i asked this already but i did not think that i could post here

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#57964 - 10/07/04 03:19 AM Re: biggest shot possible with internal mods
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It all depends on when you plan to spray. If you spray at 2000rpm, even 40hp can kill your engine.
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#57965 - 10/07/04 11:30 AM Re: biggest shot possible with internal mods
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i would say 5000+ rpm

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#57966 - 10/08/04 05:58 PM Re: biggest shot possible with internal mods
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100 is a very large shot for a d16. Even when sprayed at 5000rpm, it should theoretically increase torque by 14.3kgm (too lazy to do the conversion but in general, this is double the stock torque). If your rods/pistons are made for turbo applications and can withstand this kind of torque you should be OK. I would definately not spray that much.
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#57967 - 10/13/04 07:40 AM Re: biggest shot possible with internal mods
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fully built with no compression increase, i'd say 125 but you would have to be VERY careful with it. Prolonged shooting would surely detinate it. when i say fully, i'm talking full Ti valve train and sleeved block. anything less and i would say not much over 100.
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#57968 - 10/21/04 04:45 PM Re: biggest shot possible with internal mods
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if you dont have to drive the car everyday you might as well spray 100 shot on the stock block with a lot of fuel and replace it for cheap when it blows.
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#57969 - 11/29/04 12:10 PM Re: biggest shot possible with internal mods
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Why are you trying to spray the shit out of a d16? I've seen a few preludes with fully built motors spraying 150 shots without a problem, but thats with an H22. I think it would be a much better idea to do what morpheus said and spray the shit out the stock engine until it blows and then replace it. You could probably get 10 or 15 d16's for the price of the build.
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#57970 - 12/04/04 09:19 AM Re: biggest shot possible with internal mods
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How much nitrous you can spray depends on the strength of the engine components (I know nothing about Hondas). Good aftermarket rods and pistons can handle pretty much anything. The second thing to consider is, can the car ingest and exhaust all that extra air and fuel. You would really want a lot of airflow through the head, especially the exhaust side. Plus a good header and exhaust. Assuming you have a good block/pistons/rods and tuning. To know when your engine has hit the "wall", you would have to go to the dyno with a bunch of nitrous jets and keep adding nitrous and fuel until the car won't make much more power (or you're not getting the desired results). There will come a point when the engine can't efficiently get rid of all the extra exhaust and internal engine stresses/heat will go up. Then you'll probably go boom shortly after.
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#57971 - 12/10/04 01:24 AM Re: biggest shot possible with internal mods
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a 100 shot sounds awfully conservative to me for a completely built/forged setup.

I like to look at it like this, take the power that the motor makes "on nuts", the biggest "shot" you should entertain running would be probably around 75% of what it makes "on nuts", e.g. your B16 makes 200 flywheel HP, then spray a 150 shot on a forged setup with aplomb.

another example is to take a junkyard SBC (350 chevy), although it only makes around 250 flywheel HP in typical boneyard config, it can readily handle a 200 shot for ages when triggered at proper rpms and if supplied enough fuel. Makes for good entertainment for like a $75 outlay at a typical junkyard for a mid 70's smog-era example.
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#57972 - 02/21/05 05:34 PM Re: biggest shot possible with internal mods
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i have a video somewhere of a stock b18c taking a 200 shot and not blowing. dude raced with a 125 and 160 shot. He stepped up from 125 to 160, not both simultaniously. from my experience most motors will take more juice than people think.

I also sprayed a 2horse briggs and straton w/ a 35shot dry to prove this point

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#57973 - 02/22/05 11:33 PM Re: biggest shot possible with internal mods
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heresay : i was reading a domestic board on how a nitrous motor was supposed to be built... and the "guru's" definition of a nitrous build was a motor that would be capable of taking 150% it's original hp in nitrous

He talked about exhaust flow like they mentioned, talked about rod options (i believe he recommended H-beams), he also recommended steel rods street cars, but aluminum rods for race cars where you could spray even more (because the rod absorbs some of the shock and buffers it from the crank) but eventually you'll have to swap out said rods because eventually they will get affected and possibly weakened. Talked about forged pistons, Big pistons (not lightweight ones) with long skirts (to survive the heat better) ... he talked about lower compression rings so they are farther away from the piston top .... advanced exhaust cam timing, longer cam duration...enlarged exhaust valves ...

this was a chevy guy so he had some specifics about r/s ratios ...etc but that was the general stuff he talked about ...
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#57974 - 02/28/05 11:33 AM Re: biggest shot possible with internal mods
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Quote:

i have a video somewhere of a stock b18c taking a 200 shot and not blowing. dude raced with a 125 and 160 shot. He stepped up from 125 to 160, not both simultaniously. from my experience most motors will take more juice than people think.

I also sprayed a 2horse briggs and straton w/ a 35shot dry to prove this point




F***'n A man u just gave me an awesome idea im goin to spray my lil bro's thunder cart

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#57975 - 03/04/05 04:36 PM Re: biggest shot possible with internal mods
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it will tap out immediatly. at least the briggs did. just over reves and popps a lot
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#57976 - 03/09/05 09:58 PM Re: biggest shot possible with internal mods
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On a Stock Automatic SOHC neon a magazine did a 125shot and ran mid 13's if I remember correct. BONE STOCK minus a rigged nitrous system in a rental car. Although I guess the car ran like poop after, it held up. I think with a good flowing exhaust and built motor it should handle A LOT more then a 125shot.
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#57977 - 03/12/05 07:46 AM Re: biggest shot possible with internal mods
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I read in honda tunning mag that 75 shot was as high as you could go and still stay safe on a stock b16.Make shure your air fuel ratio is turned up=9.65:1-8.0:1.And for any thing up to 150 shot make shure timming is at least -2.
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#57978 - 03/12/05 08:45 PM Re: biggest shot possible with internal mods
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With an AF ratio of 8:1 you will have a BIG trouble igniting that mixture. 11.5:1 is good for this.
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