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#3459175 - 02/06/09 04:05 PM Genesis Coupe Looks FTW
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So, e-brochures are out on the new Genesis coupe. Looks almost as good as a 370Z on paper. I'm guessing it will be less money in the hyundai fashion.

Under 3400 lbs for the V6 Track, 3300 for the Turbo 4
306 hp
6 speed manual or manumatic
19" staggered wheels with summer rubber
Torsen LSD
HID's
Ipod adapter
Homelink
Bluetooth
Proximity key

Production pics looks a bit better than these, but I can't paste pics because it's a flash site. http://www.hyundaigenesis.com/coupe



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#3459209 - 02/06/09 04:18 PM Re: Genesis Coupe Looks FTW [Re: Impulsive]
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Looks somewhat Tiburon-ish. I see cues from several vehicles though. I like it.
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#3459651 - 02/06/09 06:43 PM Re: Genesis Coupe Looks FTW [Re: ScottStaypuff]
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Rear end looks nice, front end isn't that great. Probably my next car though
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#3459692 - 02/06/09 07:01 PM Re: Genesis Coupe Looks FTW [Re: I Live In Canada]
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I like the 370 better, as long as it's not way more expensive (probably will be)
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#3459694 - 02/06/09 07:02 PM Re: Genesis Coupe Looks FTW [Re: I Live In Canada]
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We have a pre-production one driving around here in Newport Beach. Awesome car... at least in motion.

EDIT: Their HQ is here in Fountain Valley. We see all the cool stuff around here locally.


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#3459742 - 02/06/09 07:21 PM Re: Genesis Coupe Looks FTW [Re: Design]
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I think the car looks good in metallic colors...when done in electron blue, or bright yellow, it looks cartoonish and cheap.

EDIT: I'd want the turbo 4 too.
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#3459771 - 02/06/09 07:31 PM Re: Genesis Coupe Looks FTW [Re: UglyValiant]
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Definately digging it.
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#3459961 - 02/06/09 08:49 PM Re: Genesis Coupe Looks FTW [Re: Impulsive]
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RWD right?
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#3460064 - 02/06/09 09:53 PM Re: Genesis Coupe Looks FTW [Re: Noob4Life]
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Yep.
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#3460493 - 02/07/09 02:31 AM Re: Genesis Coupe Looks FTW [Re: Impulsive]
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Looks like a pretty win combination. Plus, that site is pretty sweet!
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#3460575 - 02/07/09 07:41 AM Re: Genesis Coupe Looks FTW [Re: Kmac]
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Its still got the wrong motor in it. Its got that POS 4B11 "world motor" in it. \:\)
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#3460608 - 02/07/09 08:33 AM Re: Genesis Coupe Looks FTW [Re: danl]
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WTF?


my only question.... does it come in yellow pearl!?


seriously... I posted this last week, and everyone was like "boooo hissssss.. it'll never be!!!"

oh well...
3300 is kind of porky.
puts it up with the sky/solstice. Although, it IS a hardtop.
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#3460961 - 02/07/09 12:36 PM Re: Genesis Coupe Looks FTW [Re: ]
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Direct link to e-brochure
http://www.hyundaigenesis.com/coupe/assets/2010_Hyundai_Coupe_eBrochure.pdf
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#3460981 - 02/07/09 12:45 PM Re: Genesis Coupe Looks FTW [Re: Panda Express]
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#3461093 - 02/07/09 02:00 PM Re: Genesis Coupe Looks FTW [Re: MurderHornetVR6]
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Not feeling it.. Overall it looks like they simply ripped off the G37 styling and the front end makes it look like an aardvark.
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#3461277 - 02/07/09 04:02 PM Re: Genesis Coupe Looks FTW [Re: CrazeD]
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A couple of first drive reviews have read are saying it drives just like a G37. If that is so, then it is more of a luxury sport coupe, whereas the 370z is sportier. What the Genesis got going for it as far as I'm concerned is that it is a 2+2. Not convinced on the 300hp though, I think the 370z will probably trounce it in acceleration. And I have no faith in the turbo 4 as far as modding goes. But we shall see...
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#3461343 - 02/07/09 04:50 PM Re: Genesis Coupe Looks FTW [Re: cliff st-clair]
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#3461349 - 02/07/09 04:53 PM Re: Genesis Coupe Looks FTW [Re: cliff st-clair]
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 Originally Posted By: cliff st-clair
And I have no faith in the turbo 4 as far as modding goes. But we shall see...


Same basic architecture as the Evo X and Caliber SRT-4. Mitsu, Chrysler and Hyundai developed the current four banger range together.

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#3461361 - 02/07/09 05:03 PM Re: Genesis Coupe Looks FTW [Re: scootergeek]
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I think I posted a link a week ago of one of the korean shops with an early one throwing a GT30R on and making almost 400 HP...


wait... here it is...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_UN0cvXr7g
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#3461742 - 02/07/09 08:21 PM Re: Genesis Coupe Looks FTW [Re: CommonGutterTrash]
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Wow, that gray one looks great. I'll have to test drive one when they show up around here.
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#3461880 - 02/07/09 09:29 PM Re: Genesis Coupe Looks FTW [Re: CommonGutterTrash]
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 Originally Posted By: g96nt
I think I posted a link a week ago of one of the korean shops with an early one throwing a GT30R on and making almost 400 HP...


wait... here it is...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_UN0cvXr7g


Interesting. A GT30r should make much more than 400whp. But that car made 362whp. Not bad I guess, but I'm more interested in what the stock turbo can do. If I buy a car like this, I'm not going to turbo swap it any time soon. So...again, we shall see.

So the engine is basically a rebadged 4b11? Can someone explain the differences? Where is Noize when you need him? lol
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#3462869 - 02/08/09 01:18 PM Re: Genesis Coupe Looks FTW [Re: cliff st-clair]
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Someone snapped at a guy on EvoM for saying the motors are the same. He pointed out huge differences that shops found between the Caliber SRT4 motor and the 4B11T,and also pointed out the big differences alone between a Mitsu Lancer 4B11 and an Evo X 4B11.

I'll try to find it if anyone wants.

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#3463594 - 02/08/09 08:26 PM Re: Genesis Coupe Looks FTW [Re: Design]
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 Originally Posted By: Design
We have a pre-production one driving around here in Newport Beach. Awesome car... at least in motion.


I've put 3000 miles on a V-6 Coupe already. The last two weeks the engineeres had 21 examples out at willow springs for tire testing. They should be back at the facility this week.

It's not a bad car sitting in the drivers seat, but the rear seats are about as usefull as a mkiv supra or 911's rear seats.

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#3463882 - 02/08/09 09:56 PM Re: Genesis Coupe Looks FTW [Re: Scargoes]
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and for comparisons........

I saw a dyno somewhere of a v6 with and exhaust with like 290whp or something ridiculous for a bolt on. Supposedly both engines are under rated from the factory.

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#3464090 - 02/08/09 11:23 PM Re: Genesis Coupe Looks FTW [Re: preludepower]
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The 290 hp V6 GenesisSedan posted the same 1/4 miles as the V8 in C&D, so they could be underated.

I actually think it looks a bit better than the G37 - though not quite as nice inside.
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#3464580 - 02/09/09 08:58 AM Re: Genesis Coupe Looks FTW [Re: Impulsive]
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I think it looks sexy as hell. I debated waiting for them to hit the lots when I was shopping in November, but I didn't want a coupe very much and defiantly not one with a useless backseat, so that kinda ruled it out. IMO it looks better than the 370Z, although I'm sure the 370Z will win out in performance. If only they had made a V8 model, I just might have reconsidered my need for a usable backseat lol.
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#3464814 - 02/09/09 10:51 AM Re: Genesis Coupe Looks FTW [Re: LowTech302]
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I like the Genesis better than the 370z IMO. Looks great.
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#3465051 - 02/09/09 12:04 PM Re: Genesis Coupe Looks FTW [Re: progressi]
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 Originally Posted By: progressi
Someone snapped at a guy on EvoM for saying the motors are the same. He pointed out huge differences that shops found between the Caliber SRT4 motor and the 4B11T,and also pointed out the big differences alone between a Mitsu Lancer 4B11 and an Evo X 4B11.

I'll try to find it if anyone wants.

I'd like to take a look at that if you happen to come across it again \:\)
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#3465124 - 02/09/09 12:24 PM Re: Genesis Coupe Looks FTW [Re: FCobra94]
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 Originally Posted By: FCobra94
 Originally Posted By: progressi
Someone snapped at a guy on EvoM for saying the motors are the same. He pointed out huge differences that shops found between the Caliber SRT4 motor and the 4B11T,and also pointed out the big differences alone between a Mitsu Lancer 4B11 and an Evo X 4B11.

I'll try to find it if anyone wants.

I'd like to take a look at that if you happen to come across it again \:\)


They developed the architecture together, but it wouldn't surprise me if each company did its own thing in regards to pistons, rods, valves, etc. But for claims that they're completely different reminds me of the Mini guys saying their motors had nothing to do with the Dodge Neon.

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#3465967 - 02/09/09 04:43 PM Re: Genesis Coupe Looks FTW [Re: scootergeek]
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#3465975 - 02/09/09 04:45 PM Re: Genesis Coupe Looks FTW [Re: scootergeek]
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wow looks great whats the pricing gonna be on the 4?
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#3466118 - 02/09/09 05:25 PM Re: Genesis Coupe Looks FTW [Re: scootergeek]
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Im totally paraphrasing,but I remember it as the head being completely different,the block having different sleeves,and the internals were different,except MAYBE the crankshaft.

Let me see if I can find the quote.

Id never say they have nothing in common. My Hyundai experiences have been pretty bad,but there's no way I can say that this new car hasnt got my attention.

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#3466493 - 02/09/09 07:23 PM Re: Genesis Coupe Looks FTW [Re: progressi]
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 Originally Posted By: progressi
Im totally paraphrasing,but I remember it as the head being completely different,the block having different sleeves,and the internals were different,except MAYBE the crankshaft.


That surprises the fuck out of me. I have no first hand knowledge, just what I read while the engines were being designed and my knowledge of the industry in general, but that seems like a huge waste of money.

Though that said, you could say the head on N/A 2g DSMs were different than the DOHC Neon, but they aren't really, it's just flipped.

And the Mini (not the '06+ cars) used an evolution of the Neon SOHC motor in a 1.6 rather than 2.0 form. The same motor was used in some export Neons. Engine management was totally different though.

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#3466931 - 02/09/09 09:47 PM Re: Genesis Coupe Looks FTW [Re: scootergeek]
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#3467276 - 02/10/09 12:45 AM Re: Genesis Coupe Looks FTW [Re: scootergeek]
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OK Scott,I found it,but PLEASE-its not my deal,I cant verify,its just something Im passing along. Ive got more I'll post at the bottom,but it does seem like the motors are very different. I seem to recall talking to a Mitsu engineer before the Evo X launched that the different mfgrs went their own ways after basic castings were done. Maybe its the base engines that are similar.

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Ok, let's start with, Oh...what's that?... NOT FORGED MAHLE PISTONS LIKE THE 4B11 IN THE X!? Oh no... they're cast. Second, the SRT4 uses a balance shaft, something that the 4B11 doesn't need because of it's DIFFERENT, LESS VIBRATION PRONE, AND MORE REV FRIENDLY SQUARE BORE AND STROKE DESIGN. Third, the exhaust valves are different, as is the entire cylinder head design. It shares it's basic layout but that's it. Different valve design, different port design, etc.

Fourth, the crank is obviously different because the stroke is different, but the important thing worth mentioning is that the crank is shared with the N/A caliber version as well. Although still forged, it is not a crossdrilled and FULLY COUNTERWEIGHTED unit like the one in the 4B11. Fifth, as I mentioned earlier in a different post, the sleeve and water jacket design are different. The variable cam timing system are totally different as well. Anyone who knows anything about engine design would agree that the differences in these two motors are night and day.

Aside from the basic structure of the block on the outside, they are worlds apart. Oh, and don't ever assume that because you work at a dealership that you know more than someone who doens't. Every salesman or manager that I've ever talked to at any dealership knows about as much technical details on the cars that they sell as I know about nuclear physics. Who's talking out of their a** now? Have a nice day


Here's a specific quote regarding what seperates the Caliber 4B11 from the Evo:

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To achieve its high-performance Dodge Caliber SRT4 configuration, the aluminium 2.4-litre World Engine block is specially machined for increased water and oil flow. Unique cast pistons travel within iron cylinder liners, and are cooled by oil squirters and affixed to forged connecting rods for high-revving reliability.

Tri-metal bearings are used for the connecting rods and crankshaft for high-performance durability. A unique oil pump/balance shaft module keeps the reciprocating assembly well-lubricated and running smoothly. An external cooler keeps oil temperatures within a safe range.

The aluminium cylinder heads are also a World Engine casting equipped with unique high-temperature exhaust valves. VVT uses computer mapping to open and close intake and exhaust valves at optimal points for efficient combustion and flow. The camshaft and micro-alloy steel crankshaft, shared with the non-turbocharged 2.4-litre World Engine, are fully capable of handling these high-horsepower loads.

Free-flow induction begins with an all-new air cleaner assembly that draws through an opening in a front chassis cross member for proximity to cool air. The air is then compressed in a TD04 turbocharger specially configured for the engine’s inlet and outlet packaging requirements, and sent through an intercooler to a 57mm throttle body.


Well,there you go I guess,unless its all complete BS it seems ALL the internals are different,and the blocks have at least signifigant differences (cylinder bores and bores/oiling passages for the Dodge balance shafts).

It seems like pretty specific info to be completely fabricated and accepted. IDK though-like I said I just read it on another forum.

For all I know the Genesis is closer.

Edit: Here's where it's sourced from:
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Here is an article citing info from Pete Gladysz, Senior Manager – Powertrain, SRT.


And there's this claim too,which I have no idea where he got his info from,take it for what you will:
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They use the same block as a base, but that's it. They aren't cast the same way, or designed the same way. The internals in the X are much stronger, the actual bracing of the block is stronger, the sleeve design and water jacket are totally different, the cylinder head is much better on the X, the variable cam timing system on the X is far superior, the list goes on and on. You have no idea what you are talking about if you think that the caliber srt-4's engine can hold a candle to the 4b11 in the X.

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#3467472 - 02/10/09 02:17 AM Re: Genesis Coupe Looks FTW [Re: LowTech302]
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I think it looks sexy as hell. I debated waiting for them to hit the lots when I was shopping in November, but I didn't want a coupe very much and defiantly not one with a useless backseat, so that kinda ruled it out. IMO it looks better than the 370Z, although I'm sure the 370Z will win out in performance. If only they had made a V8 model, I just might have reconsidered my need for a usable backseat lol.


I agree it looks better than the 370z and even the G37 as well. Especially with nice wheels, the Genesis looks stunning. If they did the right thing and put a forged internals, decently sized turbo four banger in the base version, then Hyundai might just get my money sometime this year.
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#3467804 - 02/10/09 08:47 AM Re: Genesis Coupe Looks FTW [Re: progressi]
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 Originally Posted By: progressi

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They use the same block as a base, but that's it. They aren't cast the same way, or designed the same way. The internals in the X are much stronger, the actual bracing of the block is stronger, the sleeve design and water jacket are totally different, the cylinder head is much better on the X, the variable cam timing system on the X is far superior, the list goes on and on. You have no idea what you are talking about if you think that the caliber srt-4's engine can hold a candle to the 4b11 in the X.


I'll take their words for it, but the dude jacking off to the Evo X is a fanboi dick - it comes across clearly in his writing. Which is funny given how most of the Evo guys seem to feel about the X.

*EDIT* Just read that thread on evolutionm.net. Fuck those guys, I'm not taking anything they say with any confidence beyond things are different between the 2.0 and the 2.4.

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Edited by scootergeek (02/10/09 08:52 AM)
Edit Reason: What a ricetastic fanboi fucktard thread that was
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#3467933 - 02/10/09 09:52 AM Re: Genesis Coupe Looks FTW [Re: scootergeek]
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Couldn't that be re-written as "this is where power dies/ends"?

pwned by grammar?

I like this car... if only I wasn't so against buying new cars... let-alone first-year cars.
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#3468173 - 02/10/09 11:20 AM Re: Genesis Coupe Looks FTW [Re: CommonGutterTrash]
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I like the profile of the Genesis more than the G37. The sheet metal looks tighter, less bloated. It might not be a world-beater, but it looks like a helluva bargain for a 300hp rear drive sport coupe.
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#3468297 - 02/10/09 12:12 PM Re: Genesis Coupe Looks FTW [Re: Impulsive]
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wow i'm actually massively impressed by this thing... the SE model sounds awesome

HID headlights
Aluminum pedals
Manual A/C
19-inch alloy wheels
High performance Bridgestone Potenza RE050A summer tires
Brembo braking system with monobloc four-piston calipers (13.6" fronts, 13" rear!!!!!!)
SE track-tuned suspension / front strut brace
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Black leather bolsters / red cloth insert seats
Rear spoiler
Aero wiper blades

goddamn son... this might be a car to watch
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#3468331 - 02/10/09 12:27 PM Re: Genesis Coupe Looks FTW [Re: interpol]
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progressi, scootergeek...iirc, the heads/blocks are much the same on the world engine. The basic head (port designs, combustion chambers, head fasteners/etc) are the same. In the lower NA displacements, much of the engine is indeed similar b/w hyundai/mitsu/mopar. Valve timing (IE cams and cam timing management), intake and exhaust manifolds are the big difference, with each company following their own design philosophies.


He's correct...the evo X and SRT4 do use different pistons...but this is naturally true due to the use of different stroke. They may use individually different valves, cams, turbo...true; but this doesn't change the fact they are basically the same engine.

The fanboi is smoking crack though. Listen, if I put a 4" stroke crank in my small block mopar, it's still a small block mopar. A Chevy 305 small block and a chevy 350 are still chevy small blocks...it's not like "dude, just put different valve, cam, and crank and you'll have a nice Ford 351 cleavland!"

He's a retard, and I'd appreciate if you pass along the message.
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#3468847 - 02/10/09 03:31 PM Re: Genesis Coupe Looks FTW [Re: UglyValiant]
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I know it's not 1998 anymore, but i really wish those were 2800lbs and not 3300lbs.
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#3469434 - 02/10/09 07:02 PM Re: Genesis Coupe Looks FTW [Re: neonmike22]
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C'mon...
Not every car can be an s2000.
I'm sure Honda's paid someone off to keep the s2000 the best car EVER.
Don't expect to ever see another car that can stack up to it.
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#3469596 - 02/10/09 08:06 PM Re: Genesis Coupe Looks FTW [Re: CLAY'S 99SI]
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#3469791 - 02/10/09 09:24 PM Re: Genesis Coupe Looks FTW [Re: neonmike22]
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 Originally Posted By: neonmike22
I know it's not 1998 anymore, but i really wish those were 2800lbs and not 3300lbs.


back in 98 putting 18in wheels on a 'sports car' was pushing it. The FD came with 16's the S2k came with 16's and both were around 2800lbs.

The days of low weight are over because cars are just physically bigger than they use to be. even the mx5 grew in dimentions.

it's sad really but I am excited for the genesis coupe
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#3469933 - 02/10/09 10:02 PM Re: Genesis Coupe Looks FTW [Re: OnyxEros]
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that car looks smokin hot in black and pretty good in red. i'm definately rethinking hyundai over these cars, except for the ugly grill
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#3469940 - 02/10/09 10:04 PM Re: Genesis Coupe Looks FTW [Re: OnyxEros]
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Well, that's not entirely true. Mazda makes a coupe with tidy dimensions that weighs right around 3000lbs. RWD, too.

The NC Miata (I can't bring myself to call it the MX-5) weighs the same as the 2001-2005 NBs did. Though you are right, they are a little bit bigger.

The Genesis looks like a winner on paper (and in pictures). I hope it is as good as it sounds like it will be.


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#3470075 - 02/10/09 10:54 PM Re: Genesis Coupe Looks FTW [Re: Serendipitous]
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I found the pics of the EVO versus Genesis rods and pistons. Looks to me like the Genesis is beefier.....

Pic below is a piston and rod from a 4B11T (EVOX)


Pic below is a piston and rod from the Theta (GenCoupe)

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#3470145 - 02/10/09 11:33 PM Re: Genesis Coupe Looks FTW [Re: preludepower]
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The aluminum alloy engine block, which is formed using high-pressure die-cast method, has a unique Metaldyne-supplied cassette-type balance shaft module with a two-stage oil pump built-in. In the lower-end, the block is reinforced by a ladder frame. Other notable features include fracture-split sinter-forged connecting rods and stainless-steel exhaust manifold.


Iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinteresting, the above was taken from wikipedia however. I'll take one of these in black, the 2.0T R-Spec to be exact.
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#3472254 - 02/11/09 05:00 PM Re: Genesis Coupe Looks FTW [Re: SpcNA[ZX]]
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Pricing information released (link to Out There):

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#3472292 - 02/11/09 05:10 PM Re: Genesis Coupe Looks FTW [Re: Serendipitous]
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It is pretty cool, but I just don't like the front end.
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#3472354 - 02/11/09 05:49 PM Re: Genesis Coupe Looks FTW [Re: FireInTheWhole]
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As said in the OT thread... 2.0T R-Spec for $23.7k is a winner. 6-speed manual, Brembos, LSD, and 19's.
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#3472472 - 02/11/09 06:47 PM Re: Genesis Coupe Looks FTW [Re: fellfrosch7]
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Wow...
22k for a base 2L?
I might trade the wagon in on one!
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#3472513 - 02/11/09 07:02 PM Re: Genesis Coupe Looks FTW [Re: CommonGutterTrash]
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As said above, the 2.0t R-Spec is an awesome deal as long as the thing doesn't explode in your face.
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#3472578 - 02/11/09 07:24 PM Re: Genesis Coupe Looks FTW [Re: Panda Express]
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Ive seen one year old Sonatas selling for half MSRP. My only experience with a Hyundai dealership was horrible-used car Lemon Lot horrible. Complete con artists. Warranty coverage and even paid for vehicle maintenence was very bad.

Id have to ask Scooter,but are we enjoying hot rod Hyundais on the backs of slave labor? Its an honest question.

But wow,the pricing,the warranty,the specs and the possible performance is astounding. Very impressive. If you werent afraid to give up on the warranty you could get a sweet low mileage stock FRC that price though-just saying.

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#3472721 - 02/11/09 08:31 PM Re: Genesis Coupe Looks FTW [Re: progressi]
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 Originally Posted By: progressi

Id have to ask Scooter,but are we enjoying hot rod Hyundais on the backs of slave labor? Its an honest question.


No, not from Korea anyway. Their union makes less than the UAW, but is much tighter knit. In 1999, Hyundai was in dire straights and wanted to axe 35,000 jobs, all in Seoul. The union took over the factories, threw the management out and held them until a better agreement was reached. Nearby residents and family members brought them food. It was straight out of the great CIO sit down strikes of the 30's. The end result was 3,500 early retirements and the 10 year, 100k mile warranty to boost sales. Which seems to have worked for them - though that said, I haven't kept up on the news from there since then.

Those guys were my heroes. Everyone hates on the UAW for some supposed stranglehold on the dumbestic 3, but my gripes about the union were the exact opposite. There's neither the courage nor the unity for that kind of job action left in the UAW. All the piss and vinegar, Marx reading firebrands are dead and buried, replaced by petty bureaucrats with legal fetishes. With predictible results.

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#3473069 - 02/11/09 10:53 PM Re: Genesis Coupe Looks FTW [Re: scootergeek]
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I thought I had read that S.Korea had unfair auto worker wages,but it seems that the UAW was complaining about unfair trade practices.

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Fourth, Congress and the Obama administration must make sure that our nations trade policies promote fair trade, not so-called free trade that fails to provide a level playing field and instead places our domestic automakers at a significant competitive disadvantage. In particular, prompt action needs to be taken to eliminate unfair currency manipulation by China and Japan. In addition, Congress and the Obama administration should insist that the U.S.-Korea free trade agreement must be renegotiated to require that Korea dismantle the non-tariff barriers that have kept its market closed to U.S.-built automotive products, before it is granted any further access to the U.S. market.
This is cited from a UAW.

That's good. Im sure dealer practices vary. I'll be looking forward to see if the resale value holds for these better than others. That's either a win for early adopters,or those that want a project vehicle.

Oh,and Scott-I also read that the S. Korean auto unions are striking against their mfgrs. due to this proposed fair trade agreement.

Im not one of those that's blaming the overpaid union workers. Why should I disparage someone from trying to earn a great wage? I think fat management is grossly overpaid-but that's a whole nother' barrel to dip into. To complete the off-topic rant,I really like how the fat cat politicians are going to bitch at the bankers and other elites for doing the same crap they do.

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#3473140 - 02/11/09 11:23 PM Re: Genesis Coupe Looks FTW [Re: progressi]
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 Originally Posted By: progressi
To complete the off-topic rant,I really like how the fat cat politicians are going to bitch at the bankers and other elites for doing the same crap they do.


It's all theater. That's why actors do so well in politics and nobody pays attention to Kucinich or Paul.

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#3479075 - 02/13/09 09:05 PM Re: Genesis Coupe Looks FTW [Re: scootergeek]
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The locla dealer had a V6 Manual on the lot (non-track). Looks good in person, though the 18" wheels were meh. The interior was a bit of a letdown. I was hoping it would a bit better in person. It's not bad, but not top notch if we are callin G37's competition.

I'll wait for a few more examples to come and then I'll take a drive.
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#3479387 - 02/14/09 01:08 AM Re: Genesis Coupe Looks FTW [Re: scootergeek]
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Speaking of new cars,Scott,how excited are you about the new Alfas?

And to stay on topic-Impulsive,arent the coupes supposed to be like a repop of the Nissan Saliva?

I wasnt going to add fuel to the fire,but since you brought it up,the Evo guys were saying the Hyundai had a pretty disappointing interior. \:\)

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#3479610 - 02/14/09 09:10 AM Re: Genesis Coupe Looks FTW [Re: progressi]
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weird... I *just* noticed the "turbo" and "380gt" badges on these... are they keeping that over here? anyone notice?
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#3479679 - 02/14/09 10:09 AM Re: Genesis Coupe Looks FTW [Re: progressi]
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Speaking of new cars,Scott,how excited are you about the new Alfas?


Not very. Pretty, but overweight and who knows when they'll be over here? Although part of Alfa's return is Fiat's return and the Abarth 500 esse esse looks pretty interesting as a Cooper S competitor.

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#3480124 - 02/14/09 03:01 PM Re: Genesis Coupe Looks FTW [Re: Impulsive]
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I thought Hyundai had this aimed at the 370Z (in terms of performance, features, and price)?

I like Hyundai, but IMO they have a really big head to think that people are actually cross-shopping the Vera Cruz, Genesis Sedan and Genesis Coupe against the RX430's, LS460's and the G37. I wish they were more like Mazda, making great cars for the sake of making great cars without trying so hard to let everyone know who their target is. Whether or not Hyundai's approach is working, I don't know but I find it really tacky.

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#3480492 - 02/14/09 06:20 PM Re: Genesis Coupe Looks FTW [Re: Noob4Life]
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The target wouldn't be so bad if they lived up to it (and didn't look like they were copy-catting).

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And to stay on topic-Impulsive,arent the coupes supposed to be like a repop of the Nissan Saliva?

I wasnt going to add fuel to the fire,but since you brought it up,the Evo guys were saying the Hyundai had a pretty disappointing interior.


Yeah, it's basically the new Sylvia - which is what I've been asking for forever. A sporty, well appointed, RWD coupe. The back seats even look reasonably useful.

The interior was just like the pics. I was hoping it would have the VW effect where the pics look shitty, but once you sit in it, the materials and neat touches really stand out. It's not bad, just a lot of seams. While the G37 has a nice interior, it's not amazing but it's still a good bit nicer than the Genesis.

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#3480610 - 02/14/09 07:36 PM Re: Genesis Coupe Looks FTW [Re: Impulsive]
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All I have to say is WOW!! This car (so far) looks like a REAL winner!
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#3480994 - 02/14/09 10:56 PM Re: Genesis Coupe Looks FTW [Re: Impulsive]
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I thought the same thing when I rented an Accent. When you get in,you think it's actually a nicely built car. But dont touch anything,its all hard plastic that's very hollow.

I got yelled at for using an Accent to gauge Hyundai quality,but Im telling you it was worse than late 80s Honda-anything after that-Civic quality was leaps better. Again-it just looks nice,but its pretty shabby.

Still-I think this car is the new 240,and therefore I dont think interior quality is much of the necessary package. I think it's got to just be handling,power and moddability to be a win. But there's still the fact that I think its about 300 lbs overweight. Really-the Evos are about the same,with 4 doors,lots more drivetrain tech,AWD,and giant rear seats to go with. I know the Evo's alot more,but maybe that's why the Genesis is so cheap?

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#3480996 - 02/14/09 10:59 PM Re: Genesis Coupe Looks FTW [Re: Noob4Life]
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 Originally Posted By: Noob4Life
I thought Hyundai had this aimed at the 370Z (in terms of performance, features, and price)?

I like Hyundai, but IMO they have a really big head to think that people are actually cross-shopping the Vera Cruz, Genesis Sedan and Genesis Coupe against the RX430's, LS460's and the G37. I wish they were more like Mazda, making great cars for the sake of making great cars without trying so hard to let everyone know who their target is. Whether or not Hyundai's approach is working, I don't know but I find it really tacky.
I agree. Worse than that-there's a commercial that directly implies that BMW and Mercedes are angry-foaming at the mouth over the Korean competition.

But from all the drives Ive seen-its a really nice car for the price,but has absolutely ZERO driving excitement.

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#3481186 - 02/15/09 02:24 AM Re: Genesis Coupe Looks FTW [Re: progressi]
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Yep. Most reviews say there is no sport in the Genesis sedan.

The Coupe is a bit heavy, but it's only about 100 pounds more than a 370Z and lightweight cars are a rarity now it seems. Nissan said they cut 200 pounds off the new 370Z and they had to add over 100lbs back just for crash standards. Still, 3400 is reasonable. I'm awaiting a few reviews (and maybe a drive of my own) to see if it's all specs, but really a boring understeering drive or if they really have created a budget 370Z. I've heard some rumors that the engine is underated at 306 hp, so we'll see.
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#3482291 - 02/15/09 06:45 PM Re: Genesis Coupe Looks FTW [Re: Impulsive]
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I'm very interested in the 2.0t version. If you're gonna bitch about weight nowadays, you might as well go home and just look at old cars. New cars are heavier, we've got to learn to accept that. Too many safety requirements and all of that. Moddability is going to be a big factor for me; if this thing can get to mid 12s without swapping the turbo I think it's a WIN. That and the reliability factor. I can't wait to test drive one.
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#3482348 - 02/15/09 07:05 PM Re: Genesis Coupe Looks FTW [Re: cliff st-clair]
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 Originally Posted By: cliff st-clair
If you're gonna bitch about weight nowadays, you might as well go home and just look at old cars.


Somebody say my name?

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#3482362 - 02/15/09 07:10 PM Re: Genesis Coupe Looks FTW [Re: cliff st-clair]
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 Originally Posted By: cliff st-clair
I'm very interested in the 2.0t version. If you're gonna bitch about weight nowadays, you might as well go home and just look at old cars. New cars are heavier, we've got to learn to accept that. Too many safety requirements and all of that. Moddability is going to be a big factor for me; if this thing can get to mid 12s without swapping the turbo I think it's a WIN. That and the reliability factor. I can't wait to test drive one.


In a year or two I will be looking at the V6 model and the 370Z.

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#3483145 - 02/15/09 11:59 PM Re: Genesis Coupe Looks FTW [Re: scootergeek]
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LOL,the thing is,it's possible.

Look at cars that dont break the bank and ARENT old,like the C6Z,C5Z (you can get a newer,low mileage one,not like it's a classic or anything),the RX8,the Elise and the Evora.

But if it's close to the AWD Evo,and it's rwd,its too heavy.

Im not mad or anything,just saying.....

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#3484499 - 02/16/09 02:26 PM Re: Genesis Coupe Looks FTW [Re: progressi]
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The c5z to me is old. To me new is everything that is currently being produced.
But besides the Vettes, and the Elise, underpowered Miata and a few others I can't think of there are not many new RWD cars that weign less than 3300-3400lbs. The main reason Vettes weign so little have to do with their powertrain imo. Do you suggest they put pushrods in most modern cars? Not gonna happen. Nothing wrong with pushrods as far as I'm concerned, but no manufacturer is willing to go low tech nowadays, not even when they see what the Z06 and zr-1 can do performancewise at a relatively low cost.
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#3484769 - 02/16/09 03:51 PM Re: Genesis Coupe Looks FTW [Re: cliff st-clair]
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 Originally Posted By: cliff st-clair
The c5z to me is old. To me new is everything that is currently being produced.
But besides the Vettes, and the Elise, underpowered Miata and a few others I can't think of there are not many new RWD cars that weign less than 3300-3400lbs. The main reason Vettes weign so little have to do with their powertrain imo. Do you suggest they put pushrods in most modern cars? Not gonna happen. Nothing wrong with pushrods as far as I'm concerned, but no manufacturer is willing to go low tech nowadays, not even when they see what the Z06 and zr-1 can do performancewise at a relatively low cost.


You mean perceived low tech.

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#3486273 - 02/17/09 12:20 AM Re: Genesis Coupe Looks FTW [Re: cliff st-clair]
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 Originally Posted By: cliff st-clair
The c5z to me is old. To me new is everything that is currently being produced.
But besides the Vettes, and the Elise, underpowered Miata and a few others I can't think of there are not many new RWD cars that weign less than 3300-3400lbs. The main reason Vettes weign so little have to do with their powertrain imo. Do you suggest they put pushrods in most modern cars? Not gonna happen. Nothing wrong with pushrods as far as I'm concerned, but no manufacturer is willing to go low tech nowadays, not even when they see what the Z06 and zr-1 can do performancewise at a relatively low cost.
Wow-what a mess that was. I dont even know where to start.

Edit: Almost got me,not taking the bait.


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#3488000 - 02/17/09 03:36 PM Re: Genesis Coupe Looks FTW [Re: Z24 lol]
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 Originally Posted By: HoustonRSX
 Originally Posted By: cliff st-clair
The c5z to me is old. To me new is everything that is currently being produced.
But besides the Vettes, and the Elise, underpowered Miata and a few others I can't think of there are not many new RWD cars that weign less than 3300-3400lbs. The main reason Vettes weign so little have to do with their powertrain imo. Do you suggest they put pushrods in most modern cars? Not gonna happen. Nothing wrong with pushrods as far as I'm concerned, but no manufacturer is willing to go low tech nowadays, not even when they see what the Z06 and zr-1 can do performancewise at a relatively low cost.


You mean perceived low tech.


What exactly is high tech about the z06 powertrain or the Zr1 powertrain?
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#3488018 - 02/17/09 03:40 PM Re: Genesis Coupe Looks FTW [Re: cliff st-clair]
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Do you think that 90% of the car buying public knows and/or cares if their car is SOHC, DOHC, pushrod, N/A, turbo, VTEC, etc?
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#3488406 - 02/17/09 05:20 PM Re: Genesis Coupe Looks FTW [Re: ]
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I'm talking about the engine and transmission, which aren't exactly just out the box designs.
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#3488415 - 02/17/09 05:23 PM Re: Genesis Coupe Looks FTW [Re: fellfrosch7]
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 Originally Posted By: fellfrosch7
Do you think that 90% of the car buying public knows and/or cares if their car is SOHC, DOHC, pushrod, N/A, turbo, VTEC, etc?


I wasn't referring to what the public cares about, I was talking about what most manufacturers care to build.
I am not against GM for putting old school stuff in their cars because obviously it works. But it's unfair to demand that everybody else does the same. That's all I'm saying.
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#3488644 - 02/17/09 06:50 PM Re: Genesis Coupe Looks FTW [Re: cliff st-clair]
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I do think a portion of the public who is buying cars in the sport compact market does care about the engine/technology used. I won't pretend have 4 cams spinning is somehow more technology than one, but public perception still applies a bit here.

The C6 is a pretty pricey vehicle compared to the class of the Genesis and is a body on frame construction, fibreglass body and a 2 seater.
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#3488708 - 02/17/09 07:24 PM Re: Genesis Coupe Looks FTW [Re: cliff st-clair]
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 Originally Posted By: cliff st-clair

I am not against GM for putting old school stuff in their cars because obviously it works.


Wow, I can't resist.

All this "new high tech" shit you are talking about(DOHC 4valves/cyl) came out long before the pushrod V-8. Peugeot first used it in 1914 and Deusenberg used it in the cars in the 1920s. Before spouting all that "high tech ricer crap" do some research. JESUS!

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#3488773 - 02/17/09 07:52 PM Re: Genesis Coupe Looks FTW [Re: cliff st-clair]
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 Originally Posted By: cliff st-clair


What exactly is high tech about the z06 powertrain or the Zr1 powertrain?



Ignoring perhaps you're product confusion, do you really want to get into the hi-tech-ness of the C6/Z06 debate? It doesn't begin and end with the word "pushrods" for instance.

Just wondering if you are serious or if this is a troll post. Like somebody said, I'm dangling near the bait but not really sure if I should take it.
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#3576462 - 03/19/09 10:04 AM Re: Genesis Coupe Looks FTW [Re: Impulsive]
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Looks nice - reminds me a bit of the G37, especially in the pic where they are nose to nose.
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#3578055 - 03/19/09 04:49 PM Re: Genesis Coupe Looks FTW [Re: ]
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Who cares about high-tech/low-tech...What's faster?
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#3578065 - 03/19/09 04:56 PM Re: Genesis Coupe Looks FTW [Re: Impulsive]
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Not sure if it's been posted in this thread, but 2.0t makes 197 whp.
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#9387793 - 09/02/18 09:13 AM Re: Genesis Coupe Looks FTW [Re: HYst]
dohcvtecguy Offline
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Looks ok, it's a Hyundai what you want. It's a poor man's tune car. Piggy backing off another post it does remind me of of my g37 the body has similar lines. Bottom line, I could never drive a Hyundai or a Kia if my life depended on. Come on you have to have morals...smh...however, to each his own.
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#9427963 - 10/26/18 08:49 AM Re: Genesis Coupe Looks FTW [Re: dohcvtecguy]
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Poor man's tune car? Wut? Have to have morals? lol wut?

My BK1 Genesis Coupe is a hoot to drive and get's compliments all the time. Meanwhile Infiniti's are a dime a dozen around here. YMMV.
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