#6502908 - 08/04/12 05:58 PM
Re: is it the economy?
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stickaz_old
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no clue mang, if I had to venture a guess tho, the difference is you
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#6502942 - 08/04/12 06:29 PM
Re: is it the economy?
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UglyValiant
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There was an article in one of the rags not too far back "Are kids not driving?" or something like that...it didn't seem interesting to me, so didn't really read it.
But, of the kids I know (I work in a HS, so I know 100's...) more and more it seems kids are in fact driving less, and care about cars less. If I had to spit-ball some reasons for the dearth of modded cars/less kids driving/etc:
-No fast n' furious type movie thats been a hit that would stoke kids interest in cars/racing.
-Fewer kids work...it's not *odd* but certainly not the norm when I encounter teens who actually work for spending money. Most get allowances from parents for keeping their room clean, or getting halfway decent grades...or keeping their belly buttons clean of lint. Or something.
-Over-protectiveness is a real real real problem. Might that lead to kids being restricted from driving at all or as much? I would not doubt this.
-Since many parents are guiding their kids interest (music, sports, etc) and are involved (over-involved), and caters to every whim, it crowds out the kids own sense of curiosity and desire toward freedom. They never think "I can't wait to drive and be able to do what I want," because they never do anything but what they want. They never develop the association that cars = freedom...instead they learn parents = catering and grow up later in life and move out later to boot.
-Death of HS autoshops. Less and less do I see schools that have them...and those that do frequently put the trouble students in them. With budgets constrained by reality, but public sector teachers wages and benefits not, shops are easy place to find cuts.
That's about all that came to me on the subject. Otherwise, who knows?
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#6503090 - 08/04/12 08:34 PM
Re: is it the economy?
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tylerdurden
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I think a lot of the cars younger people drive today are "good enough" so they don't feel the need to put on body kits and intakes or whatever. Cars are just so much better these days.
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#6503367 - 08/04/12 11:14 PM
Re: is it the economy?
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UglyValiant
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Without so much as hesitating the guy on the other end goes "Replace it with a Civic." If he knew cars, he should have told you to get a turbo shadow.
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#6503393 - 08/04/12 11:44 PM
Re: is it the economy?
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scootergeek
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Without so much as hesitating the guy on the other end goes "Replace it with a Civic." If he knew cars, he should have told you to get a turbo shadow.
To a guy selling spares for Spacely's Sprockets, a potential customer looking for bits for Cogswell's Cogs is backing the wrong horse.
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#6503654 - 08/05/12 10:19 AM
Re: is it the economy?
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ElectronVtec
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Without so much as hesitating the guy on the other end goes "Replace it with a Civic." If he knew cars, he should have told you to get a turbo shadow.
I actually test drove a turbo shadow but pops wouldn't let me buy it. Don't remember why but yea... I really wanted a Sentra SE-R but they were just a little out of my price range at that point.
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#6503677 - 08/05/12 10:44 AM
Re: is it the economy?
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Adam G
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There was an article in one of the rags not too far back "Are kids not driving?" or something like that...it didn't seem interesting to me, so didn't really read it.
But, of the kids I know (I work in a HS, so I know 100's...) more and more it seems kids are in fact driving less, and care about cars less. If I had to spit-ball some reasons for the dearth of modded cars/less kids driving/etc:
-No fast n' furious type movie thats been a hit that would stoke kids interest in cars/racing.
-Fewer kids work...it's not *odd* but certainly not the norm when I encounter teens who actually work for spending money. Most get allowances from parents for keeping their room clean, or getting halfway decent grades...or keeping their belly buttons clean of lint. Or something.
-Over-protectiveness is a real real real problem. Might that lead to kids being restricted from driving at all or as much? I would not doubt this.
-Since many parents are guiding their kids interest (music, sports, etc) and are involved (over-involved), and caters to every whim, it crowds out the kids own sense of curiosity and desire toward freedom. They never think "I can't wait to drive and be able to do what I want," because they never do anything but what they want. They never develop the association that cars = freedom...instead they learn parents = catering and grow up later in life and move out later to boot.
-Death of HS autoshops. Less and less do I see schools that have them...and those that do frequently put the trouble students in them. With budgets constrained by reality, but public sector teachers wages and benefits not, shops are easy place to find cuts.
That's about all that came to me on the subject. Otherwise, who knows? Cars used to be the kids' link to the outside world. Now that link is social networking. Who needs the car to go to the mall when you've got Facebook and Twitter?
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#6503709 - 08/05/12 11:17 AM
Re: is it the economy?
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UglyValiant
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Cars used to be the kids' link to the outside world. Now that link is social networking. Who needs the car to go to the mall when you've got Facebook and Twitter?
Tru dat.
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#6504588 - 08/05/12 11:02 PM
Re: is it the economy?
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Serendipitous
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You guys sound old as shit.
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#6504618 - 08/05/12 11:31 PM
Re: is it the economy?
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cliff st-clair
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Yeah street racing is really a lost art around here too. Some fridays I get bored and try and go visit the strips I used to frequent 7-10 years ago and they are all dead. Francis lewis boulevard...Deer Park Avenue...Nothing. Only that "kickmetotheliver" dude with the rsx-s and those crazy dudes from Yonkers are at it hard still. LOL
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#6504678 - 08/06/12 12:38 AM
Re: is it the economy?
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Serendipitous
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Quick reply.
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#6505470 - 08/06/12 12:15 PM
Re: is it the economy?
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NHRATA01
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I'm sure $4/gal gas, combined with the aforementioned crappy teen job market(since out of work breadwinners are taking them) is killing the car hobby.
Life was easy in the late 90s when I could fill up my '89 Firebird in NJ for around $12,or roughly 2 hours of work at my minimum wage (~5.15) job. 2 hours at today's rate (what, $7.50ish) will get you about 3 gallons of gas.
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#6505535 - 08/06/12 12:34 PM
Re: is it the economy?
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UglyValiant
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Only that "kickmetotheliver" dude with the rsx-s and those crazy dudes from Yonkers are at it hard still. LOL Maybe that's why he always wins...the economy.
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#6508154 - 08/07/12 10:11 AM
Re: is it the economy?
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LowTech302
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Maybe you just hung out with more people into fast cars back in the day. I don't recall that many fast cars even in the late 90's. I do remember alot of riced-out cars trying to look and sound fast. Those have been replaced with stanced cars now. I do agree that interest in cars overall is waning, but IMO this is mostly fads coming and going.
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#6509098 - 08/07/12 02:37 PM
Re: is it the economy?
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cliff st-clair
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Cars are faster nowadays too though. So ud think it would bring out more street racers... I definitely think it has to do with the economy and $4 gas prices.
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#6509131 - 08/07/12 02:53 PM
Re: is it the economy?
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g96nt
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Without so much as hesitating the guy on the other end goes "Replace it with a Civic." If he knew cars, he should have told you to get a turbo shadow. I actually test drove a turbo shadow but pops wouldn't let me buy it. Don't remember why but yea... I really wanted a Sentra SE-R but they were just a little out of my price range at that point.
SE-R was what I was looking for when I found my first 9-3. I just couldn't pass up the deal I got on it.. 4 year old ~$37k car for ~$4000 with a couple fixes needed.
I would have LOVED to find a nice 91-92 SE-R
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#6522742 - 08/13/12 06:19 PM
Re: is it the economy?
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stickaz_old
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yea I'm in that latter camp, cars are fun and so is racing but there's more to life, and project cars are pretty easy to roll up in the garage and ignore for a year or 10
especially easy when you're worried about staying employed
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#6531794 - 08/16/12 10:49 PM
Re: is it the economy?
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ElectronVtec
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economy, all the fad guys who got into it jumping ship, kids driving less(not giving a shit) cause of social networking and xbox, better cars stock etc etc etc.
all points mentioned in here lead to the lack of modded cars around. They exist for sure but the "scene" so to speak has much smaller numbers now...which I kind of like to be honest.
I like it as well. Cars used to be a way to hang out and be social, now it's just something I can enjoy on my own time and my own dime. I'll still knock out hours talking about them with my friends who are also into cars but it doesn't suck up nearly so much of my time and, frankly, my ambition these days.
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#6533813 - 08/17/12 08:59 PM
Re: is it the economy?
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Stig
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Definitely seen a resurgence in the nova/dc area this summer.
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