#3706309 - 05/05/09 11:19 AM
Import Specialist EK track car build thread....
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RRRex
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Hey Guys;
So thought I’d start this thread to keep you guys up on the Import Specialist EK we’re building this year to compete in the 2009 Solo Sprint and HADA Time Attack. It’s Dale Csekey’s car but Martin and myself will be campaigning this season.
Many of you already know Dale Csekey as the owner of RT Motorsports. After he sold that to Rick, he went south to form RT Motorsports in Miami. He ran for a couple years and is now back where he belongs in Canada. His new shop is called Import Specialists and this car is his first Canadian track ready promotional vehicle.
Dale@importspecialist.ca - 705 326 1000
Body/Exterior:
2000 Honda Civic hatchback, DX model, Vintage Plum Pearl colour.
This is what the body looked like before Raj at Discovery Auto Collision (www.discovery-auto-collision.com) got his hands on it. Plans are fender flares and a full refresh the paint.
Also in the works is a vinyl wrap from Shinzo Media Werks in a Japanese Anime robot action theme. http://shinzomedia.com/ 905-472-7188
Engine:
Presently there is no drivetrain so info to come.
- B20B with a VTEC head and aggressive cams of some kind.
- Engine is being built by Dale at Import Specialists (705 326 1000) – he has a long history of building strong race engines and turbo apps. All machine work done by Gord Busch - Hoping to hit 215 – 220 at the wheels.
- Cams being sourced through John Lo at OptionJDM – 416 297 5788 - Likely a Buddy Club Stage 5.
- HASPort 88A engine mounts (new, hardest offered by HASport);
- JIMFab front urethane torque mounts (new, gold mounts with red bushings);
- Morroso 6 gate road race oil pan that carries an extra litre of oil (on order)
Cooling:
- Koyo dual core full size radiator, black;
- Samco radiator hoses, purple
- Distilled water 75% and 25% Honda Coolant
Fuel:
- Earl’s fuel line;
- B&M fuel gauge;
- OEM fuel filter;
- Tuned to 94 Octane Sunoco
Transmission:
- JDM 98’ spec ITR transmission w/ special projects 4.9FD;
- Kaaz 1.5 way clutch type LSD;
- Spoon flywheel;
- Defcon 6 puck custom clutch with pressure plate and clutch disc sourced from Dave at Defcon Racing (416 803 3589)
- Fastline shifter with Energy Suspension bushing;
Suspension:
- Spoon 5 way adjustable coilover, F16K, R14K at present, but we have 10K and 12K springs that we will be fine-tuning with. At present plans are to run higher rates in the front than the rear – but that might all change once we get the car on the track with the tires on it.
- SRR rear LCA
- Energy Suspension bushings at – rear trailing arms, front upper &lower control arms (new)
- USDM SiR front lower control arm with 26mm sway bar;
- CTR 22mm rear sway bar (new);
- ASR brace plate (32mm sway bar race version);
- Spoon zero bump steer kit - Roll Centre Adjuster - a taller front lower ball joint – idea is to keep the LCA straight on a lowered car.
- Spoon front strut bar. May come off during track tuning.
- Alignment - likely start with 3 degrees front camber, 2 degrees rear. We check front tire temps so camber will be adjusted by track, but will likely start with 3 degrees and 2. 1/16th toe out front each side for a total of 1/8 front toe out, 0 toe rear.
- Hard Race solid bushing Upper Control Arms – Kiwi at Special Projects www.specialprojectsms.com
- Hard Race solid bushing rear toe adjusters – Kiwi at Special Projects www.specialprojectsms.com
Cage:
This cage is a bit of a nightmare.
It’s a decent cage for a lapping car. Light weight. But lots of room for improvement. The seat belt harness bar is too high, plus other issues like being anchored to the rear floor instead of on plates to the shock towers. That X needs to be straightened out too. Originally Ronnie O’Brien was commissioned to take on the rebuild but his schedule and ours didn’t line up. So, the job went to WEBBER CHASSIS 244 Woolwich st. Breslau Ont. ( www.webberchassis.com ) Garth is the guy to ask for: 519-404-9722. Seems really knowledgeable and has been incredible to deal with. Can’t wait to see the work. Pictures of the new cage will be added since it’s presently being installed. Webber is also creating a custom rear wing mount to sit the wing as far back on the chassis as possible.
Intake & Exhaust:
- HKS air filter;
- ARC intake chamber;
- JDM Fujitsubo 2.5” inlet muffler (custom cut exit lip);
- Header info to come.
Brakes:
* ITR 4X100 conversion with redrilled 11” prelude rotors sourced from Carl Wener at Perry Performance and Competition – 450 662 8886 carl@perryautolaval.com
* 11" Prelude Calipers
* SiR rear disc brakes;
* Hawk DT60 pads through Perry Performance and Competition
* Motul RBF600 sourced through Perry Performance and Comptetion
* ITR brake booster;
* ITR brake master cylinder;
Wheel and tire:
- Fronts: 15X8 Rotas sourced from Pete Mills at Marcor – 1 800 263 8621
- Rears: 15X7 Team Dynamics also from Pete Mills at Marcor
- Wet tires – full tread R888s grooved by Jeff Wenzel at Tire Craft Concord – 905 760 1130
- Wet tires will run 28lbs of air cold.
- Dry fronts Goodyear Eagle Slick R430 – 23X9X15 – equivalent to a 245/40/15 - Jeff Wenzel at Tire Craft Concord – 905 760 1130
- Dry rears – Good year Eagle Slick R430 – 23X8X15 – equivalent to a 225/45/15 - Jeff Wenzel at Tire Craft Concord – 905 760 1130
- Dry tires will run 22lbs of air cold.
- To fit these tires – the fenders were flared out by Raj at Discovery Auto Collision discover-auto-collision.com 519 780 2099
Aero:
- P1 Ground effects front splitter from Special Projects Motorsport www.specialprojectsms.com (contact Jeff ‘Kiwi’ Owen - kiwi@specialprojectsms.com)
- APC rear CF wing with custom fabbed anchors through the rear hatch – made by Garth at Webber Chassis (519 513 0350). Will sit about a foot and a half behind the rear window and follow the roofline and made from aluminum.
- Buddy Club carbon fiber vented hood. I put this in aero because we plan to direct the air that comes out of the rad and direct it through the hood – (John at Optionjdm.com 416 297 5788)
- R-Crew aluminum front carnards – not sure if these will help much, but going to try back to back testing to see what happens
- Might try a flat bottom and a rear diffuser later in the season.
Interior:
- Momo carbon fiber race bucket seat;
- New belts through Jeff Brown at JRP – jrponline.com 905 822 RACE (on order)
- JDM Works Bell steering wheel adaptor
- JDM Splash thin quick release;
- 60mm steering wheel extension;
Bling bits:
- SiR front grille;
- SiR front lip;
- SiR front bumper;
- Spoon mirrors
- C-West carbon fiber race mirror, custom door mount method.
Data Logging:
- G2X Pro sourced from Jeff Brown at JRPonline.com - monitors oil temps, oil pressure, water temp and creates a GPS map of your runs, lines and lap times so you can see what adjustments actually save time and what ones don't.
Track tuning:
- Only guessing on how the car will handle at this point. Have no experience with these tires or how this new aero will affect performance. Proper data logging is key. Just cuz something feels fast doesn’t make it fast.
Edited by RRRex (05/14/09 02:08 PM)
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#3706415 - 05/05/09 11:57 AM
Re: Import Specialist EK track car build thread....
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RRRex
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15X8 rims are hard to come by.
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#3706726 - 05/05/09 01:13 PM
Re: Import Specialist EK track car build thread....
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RRRex
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What's with all the fucking shameless advertising?
elmie!
Any build like this one is dependant upon the coming together of people and parts. Builds are all about team work. The strength of weakest link is always going to determine the success of our season. I'm just calling out who did what now. There's no endorsement of any product or service just yet - other than I've chosen the best people and products I have at my disposal. As things fail, you'll hear about them and know right away who's responsible.
I've run Rota's for about 5 seasons 3-sets on 3 different cars without any issues. They are not as strong as the Team Dynamics for sure, but the lighter weight helps off-set some of the larger wheel mass we're carrying up front.
A turbo might go on at the end of the season. Plan being to tune the chassis with a B20 Vtec, then add a turbo to see how the chassis copes. Once we find all the weak links and strengthen them, a K24 build is being considered for next season.
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#3707281 - 05/05/09 03:40 PM
Re: Import Specialist EK track car build thread....
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ah, didn't catch the size part.. but given some of the horror stories seen on other boards about rota wheels, would make me think twice about it, esp for a serious setup like this.
dude pls dont tell me you believe that hyped up bullshit.... hit a curb with any rim and itll probably break. did they have the odd issue at one point(mainly with a popular suby wheel)? yes but rota reimbursed everyone
rotas are fine
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#3707554 - 05/05/09 04:55 PM
Re: Import Specialist EK track car build thread....
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ah, didn't catch the size part.. but given some of the horror stories seen on other boards about rota wheels, would make me think twice about it, esp for a serious setup like this. dude pls dont tell me you believe that hyped up bullshit.... hit a curb with any rim and itll probably break. did they have the odd issue at one point(mainly with a popular suby wheel)? yes but rota reimbursed everyone rotas are fine
hey. im just saying, all that money and effort in a complete build like this, getting quality parts for everything, and fall a bit short on the rims?
hype i don't believe in, but hey, for me, its all out or nothing.
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#3707566 - 05/05/09 04:58 PM
Re: Import Specialist EK track car build thread....
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RRRex
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It's low compression and we're only talking a small turbo at maybe 5-6lbs. Revs become the problem - but let's see how well this motor does before we do anything to it. Right now boost is just a theory, but you are right to raise concerns.
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#3707682 - 05/05/09 05:38 PM
Re: Import Specialist EK track car build thread....
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#3707715 - 05/05/09 05:51 PM
Re: Import Specialist EK track car build thread....
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It's low compression and we're only talking a small turbo at maybe 5-6lbs. Revs become the problem - but let's see how well this motor does before we do anything to it. Right now boost is just a theory, but you are right to raise concerns.
what size turbo? specs of the turbo? what Wastegate are you running the turbo with? external or internal wastegate?
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#3708045 - 05/05/09 07:43 PM
Re: Import Specialist EK track car build thread....
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I has rota's...shit be fine yo...fucking stupid Ed!
and taking a page out of your picture book... "do you track your car every weekend?"
either way, the size is hard to find... so we'll just leave it at that.
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#3708340 - 05/05/09 09:22 PM
Re: Import Specialist EK track car build thread....
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RRRex
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You guys know your stuff. We're running a big cam off the start that is an NA only cam. If and only if we try a turbo it will be late in the season and we'll either source a turbo cam or run the stock ones. Rod to stroke on a B20 bottomend is far from ideal so boosting it is risky. The purpose would only be to tune the chassis for a K-series swap for the following year. The turbo itself would just be something Dale at Import Specialists has kicking around his shop and exhaust mani too. The motor hasn't been installed yet so don't have all the specs on it yet. Good points everyone.
The brakes are sometimes referred to as a poor-mans ITR setup or an 11" retro fit. Involves using 92 era lude 4X114's disks and redrilling them to 4X100s. Not sure what's involved with fitting the calipers. Was a PITA to make it work on my CRX - involved a custom bearing to take a ITR hub. Believe these ones are from a 96 ITR, yes.
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#3708380 - 05/05/09 09:33 PM
Re: Import Specialist EK track car build thread....
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A Z06 will still be faster.
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#3708403 - 05/05/09 09:40 PM
Re: Import Specialist EK track car build thread....
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you might want to consider the NSX or Legend dual piston caliper as the 96 spec ITR might not be enough....
or better yet, go Spoon :)....looks lovely behind those CE28N
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#3708479 - 05/05/09 10:05 PM
Re: Import Specialist EK track car build thread....
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RRRex
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you might want to consider the NSX or Legend dual piston caliper as the 96 spec ITR might not be enough.... or better yet, go Spoon :)....looks lovely behind those CE28N
That's sexy. I've always wanted a set just cuz they look cool. Almost bought a used set, but they're not as easy to rebuild as Honda parts so didn't. Have yet to hit the limits of an ITR brake setup. Light cars don't need as much brake as heavier cars - like a Z06. If I need more brake, I'd start with more aggressive pad. Motul fluid has yet to boil on me.
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#3708674 - 05/05/09 11:06 PM
Re: Import Specialist EK track car build thread....
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A Z06 will still be faster.
yeah but it's those srt-4 that will embarass your gf / wife! LOL
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#3709258 - 05/06/09 07:23 AM
Re: Import Specialist EK track car build thread....
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Here's the new wing anchoring system we bought and what it looks like installed on the another car that is also installing it. The system works anchors through the hatch door and onto the floor of the vehicle. The advantage being the downforce is generated from clean air, and force is applied further back making it far more effective than a roof mounted system.
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#3709271 - 05/06/09 07:35 AM
Re: Import Specialist EK track car build thread....
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You guys know your stuff. We're running a big cam off the start that is an NA only cam. If and only if we try a turbo it will be late in the season and we'll either source a turbo cam or run the stock ones. Rod to stroke on a B20 bottomend is far from ideal so boosting it is risky. The purpose would only be to tune the chassis for a K-series swap for the following year. The turbo itself would just be something Dale at Import Specialists has kicking around his shop and exhaust mani too. The motor hasn't been installed yet so don't have all the specs on it yet. Good points everyone.
The brakes are sometimes referred to as a poor-mans ITR setup or an 11" retro fit. Involves using 92 era lude 4X114's disks and redrilling them to 4X100s. Not sure what's involved with fitting the calipers. Was a PITA to make it work on my CRX - involved a custom bearing to take a ITR hub. Believe these ones are from a 96 ITR, yes.
i don't think you want to use the 96 ITR caliper. that caliper came with the 4 bolt 4x114.3 ITR setup which uses the same size rotor and caliper as a 4x100 GSR or LS. i think the brake upgrade your trying to do is the type R upgrade which involves redrilling either 5bolt ITR 11inch rotors or redrilling the 4x114.3 11inch prelude rotors. the calipers you want to get your hands on are the 98+ ITR caliper which is much bigger than the 96 ITR caliper. (i'm running the 4x114.3 96 ITR setup on my teg and the bigger rotor/caliper upgrade is a common upgrade (since the prelude rotors fit) all of this will still fit under a 15inch wheel.
i had a friend recently do this upgrade,(on a 4x100 hub) for it you'll need
1)ITR or prelude rotors re-drilled (11 inch)
2)98+ ITR caliper
3)ITR caliper bracket - you can get this from brian @ fastbrakes, this lets you space out the caliper properly on the 11inch rotor.
here's the setup:
http://www.teknotik.com/jdmrides/forum/showthread.php?t=31921
or you can just go 5 bolt and call it a day.
Edited by Flexin5 (05/06/09 07:43 AM)
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#3709561 - 05/06/09 10:09 AM
Re: Import Specialist EK track car build thread....
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cb9 (90-93 accord wagon) calipers are the same as 98+ itr IIRC...
cheaper too when the guy doesnt know at the wreckers...
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#3709627 - 05/06/09 10:28 AM
Re: Import Specialist EK track car build thread....
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i don't think you want to use the 96 ITR caliper. that caliper came with the 4 bolt 4x114.3 ITR setup which uses the same size rotor and caliper as a 4x100 GSR or LS. i think the brake upgrade your trying to do is the type R upgrade which involves redrilling either 5bolt ITR 11inch rotors or redrilling the 4x114.3 11inch prelude rotors. the calipers you want to get your hands on are the 98+ ITR caliper which is much bigger than the 96 ITR caliper. (i'm running the 4x114.3 96 ITR setup on my teg and the bigger rotor/caliper upgrade is a common upgrade (since the prelude rotors fit) all of this will still fit under a 15inch wheel. i had a friend recently do this upgrade,(on a 4x100 hub) for it you'll need 1)ITR or prelude rotors re-drilled (11 inch) 2)98+ ITR caliper 3)ITR caliper bracket - you can get this from brian @ fastbrakes, this lets you space out the caliper properly on the 11inch rotor. here's the setup: http://www.teknotik.com/jdmrides/forum/showthread.php?t=31921or you can just go 5 bolt and call it a day.
Nice link! I stand corrected, they're JDM Prelude calipers - forgot 96 was a smaller one. On my 5-bolt I'd run Prelude, accord, ITR or CRV calipers - which ever was cheapest. That's the nice thing about the Honda parts bin.
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#3710239 - 05/06/09 01:10 PM
Re: Import Specialist EK track car build thread....
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zc911
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if you want i have (to sell lol) 11inch ITR sized rotors from KVR, 2 piece aluminum hat slotted. Origonal cost was $500 each rotor, i jsut want $300 for both, they are brnad new, used 1 week on the street. They ahve both 4x100 and 4x114.4 drilled in them.
I ran them on GSR knuckles with ITR caliper and caliper bracket
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#3710706 - 05/06/09 03:31 PM
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zc911
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ya corrodo rotors work too.
Mine are aluminum hat 2 piece, saves some weight, and looks badass  haha. why i spent 1k on 2 rotors is beyond me
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#3711230 - 05/06/09 05:48 PM
Re: Import Specialist EK track car build thread....
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Here's an update on the cage. All work done by Garth at Webber Chassis - 519-404-9722 - http://www.webberchassis.com. He's been awesome to deal with so far and has gone above and beyond the call of duty picking up the vehicle and adjusting to changes. A few unforeseen set backs came up but he was true to his word and is delivering the car on time and on budget. He's also the guy who sorted out and installed the wing mount. Cost was 900 installed if anyone is interested. Finished pictures to come.
The old cage anchored to the floor so here's it being cut out and filled in. Not the ideal place to be anchored.
Plates being mounted. CASC-OR requires all cages be mounted to plates. Drastically improve the safety of the cage with very little extra weight added.
Here's the new crossbar.
New seatbelt anchor. All the x'ing still needs to be done and pictures of that should be coming tonight probably.
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#3711433 - 05/06/09 07:17 PM
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nice build so far 
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though you need higher comp to run agressive cams...or at least to make them worthwhile...
