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#9024481 - 05/09/17 10:09 PM Re: Recommend me sport sedan [Re: titty sprinkles]
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$20k doesn't go far.
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#9024727 - 05/10/17 09:43 AM Re: Recommend me sport sedan [Re: A2B-Lexus]
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That TLX doesn't look too bad, I tested an early 2000s model with 6 speed like 8 years ago and it did nothing for me, but this doesn't look to bad from the pictures.
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#9024790 - 05/10/17 10:39 AM Re: Recommend me sport sedan [Re: Mr.Bozack]
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Keep the e39.

I kinda wish I kept my E36M3, if you are not OCD like me, these old bmw's are a great compromise in quality/fit and finish for a really rewarding driving feel.

Either up your budget or just drive the e39.

I love my S4, but to get a clean one with the sport differential (you must get this, many don't) 20k won't cut it and they need a few mods to be just right.

Also a big fan of the Cayenne, my buddy has the previous gen GTS and it's pretty slick, love how it drives.

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#9024800 - 05/10/17 10:43 AM Re: Recommend me sport sedan [Re: Riskhe Business]
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#9025046 - 05/10/17 12:55 PM Re: Recommend me sport sedan [Re: Riskhe Business]
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Nice glad to hear the Cayenne is decent - GTS is nice model for sure.

Yeah bang for buck my e39 feels better than most cars I have tested - not bad since it's only worth a couple of G's...After I did the muffler delete I could finally hear the motor...I should have done that day one instead of last summer.

I'm entertaining a 05 c55 AMG benz right now but everything about it sounds sketchy so not rushing out to test it just yet.
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#9025064 - 05/10/17 01:03 PM Re: Recommend me sport sedan [Re: Riskhe Business]
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#9025197 - 05/10/17 02:31 PM Re: Recommend me sport sedan [Re: Mr.Bozack]
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Looks like c55 is gonna be out - shady dealer wants me to pay 100 to get a PPI done on it so they can get paid for their time lol must know whatever I find will be a deal breaker.

That Cayenne is tempting
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#9025208 - 05/10/17 02:38 PM Re: Recommend me sport sedan [Re: Mr.Bozack]
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Fuel mileage is horrendous on the Cayennes

I am kind of is the same boat as you, if you can pony up 25k you have more options


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#9025211 - 05/10/17 02:39 PM Re: Recommend me sport sedan [Re: Mr.Bozack]
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 Originally Posted By: Mr.Bozack
That TLX doesn't look too bad, I tested an early 2000s model with 6 speed like 8 years ago and it did nothing for me, but this doesn't look to bad from the pictures.


tlx came out in 2015, you probably test drove a TSX which is the exact same size, but drives totally different (i had a 2010 tsx 6 spd). the I4 does feel sporty because of the 8 spd DCT and the 4ws but is about 100hp slower than the v6 SH-awd.
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#9025221 - 05/10/17 02:44 PM Re: Recommend me sport sedan [Re: titty sprinkles]
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I can do 25 but trying to keep it lower if possible as I only drive 10K a year...but I am open to other suggestions.

Cayenne - Fuel mileage isn't much of a concern because of the little amount of KM I drive

Titty the TL I drove was early 2000s model called the "dynamic" cuz of the 6 speed. I drove the first gen TSX with 6 speed and it didn't do much - felt like my SiR but with less excitement - no VTEC blaring for everyone to hear me trying to pass them.
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#9025233 - 05/10/17 02:48 PM Re: Recommend me sport sedan [Re: Mr.Bozack]
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spd dmn - No 18 S4 - that thing has to be like 60gs I'm sure.

And if I test it nothing much else would compare...After I tested out a clapped out e39 M5 my car felt like a grampa's car - so docile. Gotta love it when they give you the keys and don't want to come with you on the drive...show up at a busy time as they would rather be at the desk trying to close sales than have the shit scared out of them lol
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#9025559 - 05/10/17 10:17 PM Re: Recommend me sport sedan [Re: Mr.Bozack]
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The Cayenne GTS has an optional air suspension that is MAD $$$ to fix. If you go with the Cayenne, try to stay away from that.
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#9025644 - 05/11/17 03:32 AM Re: Recommend me sport sedan [Re: A2B-Lexus]
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What about tl type s? Half your budget and a great car if you can live with fwd

If my tl wasn't auto I'd probably keep it longer. Great all around car

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#9025677 - 05/11/17 07:14 AM Re: Recommend me sport sedan [Re: Riskhe Business]
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Just buy an 335i and be done with it. A few mods and you'll be happy I'm sure.
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#9025765 - 05/11/17 09:06 AM Re: Recommend me sport sedan [Re: LNXGUY]
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A GTS Cayenne popped up close to me in Pickering and i was gonna test it out but after I had some maintenance records sent my way (good on the dealership) I have opted out of it. There was a history of complaints about hesitation under acceleration - last owner had it for a year replaced the suspsension for 3.5Gs than dumped it...sounds like to much hassle and $$$ repairs - porsche go figure

Yes Type S might need to be tested out...I'll see if I can find a manual.

LNX tell me about it, that 335 has been on my radar for years and with a few bucks thrown at it, it's easy to get 400hp
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#9026155 - 05/11/17 02:28 PM Re: Recommend me sport sedan [Re: LNXGUY]
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Just buy an 335i and be done with it. A few mods and you'll be happy I'm sure.


frig stock is more than quick enough

csi ont has some fast cars


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#9026745 - 05/12/17 10:22 AM Re: Recommend me sport sedan [Re: titty sprinkles]
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If anyone is interested, 2016 C450, lease ends September this year.

Lease payments $1,200/month, $48K residual (it retailed for $70K).

Almost 2 year old car with less than 10K kms, 60% of it was incurred from November-December when we got rid of the ML63 and waited for the Model X. It just sits in the garage.

It's a shame to see it go, such great value for a 340 killer ;\) (BMW hater here) . Right now my family needs larger cars.



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Why is the BMW so dated looking?

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#9026962 - 05/12/17 12:25 PM Re: Recommend me sport sedan [Re: xza8]
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BMW designer prefers the clean lines.. but I agree, BMW interiors need a revamp.
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#9027015 - 05/12/17 12:55 PM Re: Recommend me sport sedan [Re: phoenixrage]
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M-Sport looks a little bit better then that.
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#9027172 - 05/12/17 02:51 PM Re: Recommend me sport sedan [Re: LNXGUY]
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someone buy xza8's benz. sick car, i was trying to figure out how to buy it for a week but my lease is done in 2019
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#9027946 - 05/13/17 08:55 PM Re: Recommend me sport sedan [Re: titty sprinkles]
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The only other person who could afford such a lease has been banned and has a gt3 thread written about him XD
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#9028063 - 05/13/17 11:37 PM Re: Recommend me sport sedan [Re: 4age]
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^ Hatorade is banned?
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#9028092 - 05/14/17 01:28 AM Re: Recommend me sport sedan [Re: iamfob]
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^ Hatorade is banned?


http://forums.clubsi.com/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/9026353

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#9028548 - 05/15/17 06:18 AM Re: Recommend me sport sedan [Re: hyper-s2k]
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Wow that benz looks great! Too rich for my blood though...the BMW has a stick that gives it some points.

I'm guessing the residual value is the buy back?
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#9028853 - 05/15/17 12:17 PM Re: Recommend me sport sedan [Re: hyper-s2k]
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 Originally Posted By: iambob
^ Hatorade is banned?


http://forums.clubsi.com/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/9026353



Thanks for the link. Really helpful
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#9029165 - 05/15/17 03:08 PM Re: Recommend me sport sedan [Re: 4age]
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The only other person who could afford such a lease has been banned and has a gt3 thread written about him XD

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#9029422 - 05/15/17 06:01 PM Re: Recommend me sport sedan [Re: Mr.Bozack]
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My mechanic that only works on BMWs tells me to avoid the 335 (he said maintenance on them can be brutal) and recommends a 09 - 10 328. He told me basically anything after 2010 has lost the feel - minus the M3


Maybe he means 2009-2011? 2009 was the face lift and new iDrive. We have a 2011 328i and I like it a lot, it's just like my 2006 330i for the most part ignoring changes in options. Your E39 540i is badass but I can appreciate wanting to update. I do appreciate how you've had BMW, and willing to get BMW again. I find most of the people who are against them have never actually owned one.


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#9030031 - 05/16/17 10:14 AM Re: Recommend me sport sedan [Re: 87ZCSi]
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How does insurance works when your Ontario plated cars are driven in Portland longer than 6 months?
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#9030091 - 05/16/17 10:44 AM Re: Recommend me sport sedan [Re: iamfob]
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better question would be why not insure and plate them in Portland, it has to be cheaper?
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#9030152 - 05/16/17 11:38 AM Re: Recommend me sport sedan [Re: zc911]
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Maintenance being brutal for a straight 6 bmw?.. maybe for a small shop that doesn't have the proper tools/equipment to work on them.. sure I guess.

But the new V8 twin turbos are way harder to work on by comparison...

and I'd avoid any 4 cylinder BMW (excluding motorad)...


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#9030595 - 05/16/17 04:16 PM Re: Recommend me sport sedan [Re: phoenixrage]
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Well the M3 was hit while it was here for a while at that time. The underwriter called me and asked how long it'll be in the USA so they can assess the risk - I told them "not much longer than it takes to get my car back now that my transportation is now broken". It was fine.

That picture is from my apartment, they're both Oregon plated now. $235USD for the two BMW's and 4Runner.



Mr Rage, why no 4-cyl? Because they suck to drive, or you're seeing problems?

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#9030666 - 05/16/17 05:15 PM Re: Recommend me sport sedan [Re: 87ZCSi]
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The 4 bangers are shit reliability wise lol
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#9031109 - 05/17/17 08:03 AM Re: Recommend me sport sedan [Re: Hatorade]
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Rage lots of assumptions - the 335 is a 6 with turbo(s) = Maintenance, the shop is a BMW only shop so I would imagine they have most of the tools needed.

87 you are correct with 09-11s generation my mechanic recommended

Yeah being in the BMW and testing everything out you realize that what you have is still pretty nice...compared to most sub 20K cars out there.

That M3 looks fantastic
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#9031182 - 05/17/17 09:05 AM Re: Recommend me sport sedan [Re: Mr.Bozack]
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When I impulse bought my S4, I was 90% set on the e92 m3...like I was going to get it the next day. Also a great contender and if you up your budget it would probably be the best replacement for you.

But because I daily the car I felt the S4 was the better fit for me and I kind of like the more subtle look of the S4. The e9x m3 is already a bit of a boy racerish car, still awesome though. If I had found a 4 door m3 in the specs I wanted then I would've gone that way over the s4, but those are hard to come by. Mostly coupes out there and I am not a fan.

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#9031223 - 05/17/17 09:27 AM Re: Recommend me sport sedan [Re: Mr.Bozack]
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 Originally Posted By: Mr.Bozack
Rage lots of assumptions - the 335 is a 6 with turbo(s) = Maintenance, the shop is a BMW only shop so I would imagine they have most of the tools needed.

87 you are correct with 09-11s generation my mechanic recommended

Yeah being in the BMW and testing everything out you realize that what you have is still pretty nice...compared to most sub 20K cars out there.

That M3 looks fantastic


Given that I work at a BMW Dealer.. yea.. just assumptions....
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