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#6652310 - 10/16/12 11:22 PM Go completely full frame, or should I keep my crop?
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Recently i've been rearming my arsenal to get into wedding photography. thinking about picking up either another 580exii or maybe two 600rt ex's and dropping my 430exii. that way i'll have the two 600rt ex's and a 580exii.

I already have a 24-70 and 70-200. I am looking at either a 100mm L 2.8 Macro or 17-40 L as my next lens purchase. Maybe throwing down for a 35mm or 85mm prime as well to get the faster glass.

So, with all that in mind, I'm considering my upgrade path and selling my 60d to fund another 5dII. Should I do that, or continue on with the 60D for now and eventually add a 5d3 to my stable? I already have two wedding inquiries for next year but I haven't really marketed myself that much for it. I got one through craigslist and one through a referral. Before you all ask, I'm offering a special on my rate while i build my wedding portfolio, so it's on par with the crappy craigslisters that are out there offering the same rate, but instead of the stuff they churn out at a cut rate, I'm actually looking to improve and attempt to be on-par with some of the much better and more expensive wedding photogs in the area.

Anyway.... maybe I should just stick with what I have and be happy with it for now, until the need arises. I think I will need an additional light though, maybe a few softboxes and triggers as well...

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#6652379 - 10/17/12 12:01 AM Re: Go completely full frame, or should I keep my crop? [Re: crimson773]
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sell the 60d, get a 5d2, get a 35 and 100 macro. 90% of the time you won't need wider than a 24 on a FF; but if you do, u can always rent a 17-40 or 16-35 in a pinch.
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#6652590 - 10/17/12 07:31 AM Re: Go completely full frame, or should I keep my crop? [Re: Lafora]
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I like the articulating screen of the 60D and the wireless flash control. Plus I use my 10-22 for nightclub photography so I would have to replace it with a 17-40mm. I guess I could sell that as a one-for-one. Maybe I'll wait for the next deal that comes along for the 5D2 and part out my 60d.
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#6653845 - 10/17/12 03:38 PM Re: Go completely full frame, or should I keep my crop? [Re: crimson773]
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well, I did it. I purchased a deal from B&H with a printer and lens. I can get the price of the camera down to $1449 after 400 rebate and selling the lens. Not too shabby considering the going rate of a used body is around $1500.

Posted my 60D, grip, memory cards and 10-22 for sale online... that should cover the cost of the new camera... ugh!

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#6655220 - 10/18/12 10:13 AM Re: Go completely full frame, or should I keep my crop? [Re: crimson773]
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Im not seeing that grip in the for sale thread
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#6655421 - 10/18/12 11:40 AM Re: Go completely full frame, or should I keep my crop? [Re: 240sx805]
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Trying to see if I can sell I all together.
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#6659411 - 10/20/12 06:55 AM Re: Go completely full frame, or should I keep my crop? [Re: crimson773]
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Wedding photographer.... only 1 camera?


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#6660452 - 10/20/12 08:46 PM Re: Go completely full frame, or should I keep my crop? [Re: eddie _82]
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#6660652 - 10/20/12 11:10 PM Re: Go completely full frame, or should I keep my crop? [Re: eddie _82]
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 Originally Posted By: eddie_82
Wedding photographer.... only 1 camera?

They can just reschedule the shoot

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#6660940 - 10/21/12 08:00 AM Re: Go completely full frame, or should I keep my crop? [Re: 240sx805]
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lol... my third body will be my Rebel xt and 18-55mm
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#6671781 - 10/25/12 06:29 PM Re: Go completely full frame, or should I keep my crop? [Re: crimson773]
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For me, I would have kept the crop. What if you get a Catholic wedding where you are restricted to the balcony of the church and even the 70-200 won't get you close enough? There are times when a crop sensor is nice. Although you can't beat the ISO capabilities of full frame.
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#6672260 - 10/25/12 10:01 PM Re: Go completely full frame, or should I keep my crop? [Re: JackiesCivic]
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Full-frames have so many pickles now, you can just do your cropping in post.

I've never been restricted to the balcony shooting a wedding.

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#6672295 - 10/25/12 10:25 PM Re: Go completely full frame, or should I keep my crop? [Re: JackiesCivic]
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 Originally Posted By: JackiesCivic
For me, I would have kept the crop. What if you get a Catholic wedding where you are restricted to the balcony of the church and even the 70-200 won't get you close enough? There are times when a crop sensor is nice. Although you can't beat the ISO capabilities of full frame.
I think you would tell the couple to find a different photographer if they cant deal with the fact that their venue is screwing them

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#6672545 - 10/26/12 04:58 AM Re: Go completely full frame, or should I keep my crop? [Re: 240sx805]
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I had full access at the one Catholic wedding I shot.

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#6672900 - 10/26/12 10:47 AM Re: Go completely full frame, or should I keep my crop? [Re: scootergeek]
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The only thing I would keep a crop for is shooting sports. Otherwise, a 1.4 or 2.0 TC would do the job on a FF with my 70-200.
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#6672901 - 10/26/12 10:48 AM Re: Go completely full frame, or should I keep my crop? [Re: eddie _82]
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 Originally Posted By: eddie_82
Full-frames have so many pickles now, you can just do your cropping in post.

I've never been restricted to the balcony shooting a wedding.


Pickles!!!! /Drool.
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#6674337 - 10/27/12 01:50 AM Re: Go completely full frame, or should I keep my crop? [Re: Murder]
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i'd have kept a crop, but not that 60D. what a POS body.
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#6674366 - 10/27/12 06:20 AM Re: Go completely full frame, or should I keep my crop? [Re: busfare]
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 Originally Posted By: Vaderlicious
i'd have kept a crop, but not that 60D. what a POS body.

Yeah, it sucks.

Just bought 17-40mm last night for my 5D2 because I am tired of having to use my 17-55 on the 60D for wide angle.

Once you go FF, the only thing a crop is good for is telephoto imho.

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#6674386 - 10/27/12 06:56 AM Re: Go completely full frame, or should I keep my crop? [Re: flyEX #1]
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people just automatically assume crop is inferior in virtually all aspects. i prefer it for its wider DOF for video, especially when using f/1.2 or 1.4 apertures. pulling focus on razor thin DOF is hard enough. the crop gives a little more room for error w/o losing any light. for stills, a crop is still pretty darn impressive. took this on a lowly crop 7D the other day...



*granted, i want to skip FF altogether and make the jump to MF digital for this kind of work


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#6674465 - 10/27/12 09:40 AM Re: Go completely full frame, or should I keep my crop? [Re: busfare]
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What kind of light modifier do you have on your strobe there?
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#6674515 - 10/27/12 10:24 AM Re: Go completely full frame, or should I keep my crop? [Re: tylerdurden]
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take a gander
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#6674982 - 10/27/12 04:37 PM Re: Go completely full frame, or should I keep my crop? [Re: busfare]
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I've never used video on 5D2 or 60D and love the shallow DOF of FF. I have several APS-C cameras but just not the same as 35mm. APS-C cameras are nifty but not my first choice unless doing astrophotography or birding.
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#6675530 - 10/28/12 12:02 AM Re: Go completely full frame, or should I keep my crop? [Re: busfare]
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 Originally Posted By: Vaderlicious
people just automatically assume crop is inferior in virtually all aspects. i prefer it for its wider DOF for video, especially when using f/1.2 or 1.4 apertures. pulling focus on razor thin DOF is hard enough. the crop gives a little more room for error w/o losing any light. for stills, a crop is still pretty darn impressive. took this on a lowly crop 7D the other day...



*granted, i want to skip FF altogether and make the jump to MF digital for this kind of work


crop bodies are very capable cameras. for me, I just like the "look" FF cameras produce. Neither is "better" than the other and each has their uses just like the zoom vs. prime debate.

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#6678407 - 10/29/12 03:19 PM Re: Go completely full frame, or should I keep my crop? [Re: tenplanescrashing]
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I loved my 60D. I miss it. Sold it last week. Gotta get a 17-40 or 16-35 now, because I really miss having the UWA...
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#6680480 - 10/30/12 01:27 PM Re: Go completely full frame, or should I keep my crop? [Re: crimson773]
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#6684413 - 11/01/12 09:44 AM Re: Go completely full frame, or should I keep my crop? [Re: eddie _82]
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 Originally Posted By: eddie_82
14L + 15FE



I'm loving my 15 fisheye! I let a friend borrow it over the weekend for a pinup shoot in downtown Chicago and she fell in love with it as well

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#6690156 - 11/04/12 07:49 AM Re: Go completely full frame, or should I keep my crop? [Re: JackiesCivic]
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Why so much hate on the 60D? I heart mine and its been flawless since day one for me. I used to shoot professionally (went to school with digital (Doug) so I know cameras. For the money I just love that camera. \:\)
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#6690537 - 11/04/12 12:34 PM Re: Go completely full frame, or should I keep my crop? [Re: jsstritz]
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 Originally Posted By: jsstritz
Why so much hate on the 60D? I heart mine and its been flawless since day one for me. I used to shoot professionally (went to school with digital (Doug) so I know cameras. For the money I just love that camera. \:\)


For me, I dislike it simply because it takes SD cards instead of CF. I like the idea of the screen rotating, but in the end, it's just another area of the camera that can break. For me personally, if I'm going to stay with a crop, it's going to be the 7D. I'm tempted with the 5D Mark III, but the 19 focal points on the 7D and fps really have me considering the 7D

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#6691689 - 11/05/12 12:10 AM Re: Go completely full frame, or should I keep my crop? [Re: JackiesCivic]
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For me it's simply about ergonomics. The directional pad feels cheap, the dial is too small, and most importantly, to shoot video, you have to rotate the dial ALL the way around the correct way while pressing the lock button. If you've ever used the 7D you'll notice how convenient everything is. The 5D3 even took on the ergos of the 7D. Otherwise I like the rotating screen and the smaller form factor.
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#6710691 - 11/13/12 01:42 PM Re: Go completely full frame, or should I keep my crop? [Re: busfare]
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 Originally Posted By: Vaderlicious
take a gander


Not sure what this means.

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