#5002604 - 08/31/10 04:48 PM
Diesel Hybrids
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#5002618 - 08/31/10 04:53 PM
Re: Diesel Hybrids
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LNXGUY
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Because the car makers are fucking retards.
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#5002633 - 08/31/10 04:58 PM
Re: Diesel Hybrids
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because they would lose sales/gas sales would go down
You think they'd lose sales because they wouldn't be popular or the fact that most diesels pretty much run forever with a minimum of maintenance?
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#5002784 - 08/31/10 05:53 PM
Re: Diesel Hybrids
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LNXGUY
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Most articles I've read say they would cost too much. Hybrids already command a premium, as do diesels (due to their complex exhaust treatments) so take todays hybrids and make them more expensive.
I can't see them costing that much more, maybe a few grand?
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#5003101 - 08/31/10 07:54 PM
Re: Diesel Hybrids
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I recall reading about a project where NYC or some other big city has a fleet of various hybrid drivetrain garbage trucks (like a trial to see which company/configuration is best). I wish Subaru would have brought the diesel outback (non hybrid)with a manual trans, I'd probably be driving one right now.
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#5004263 - 09/01/10 10:23 AM
Re: Diesel Hybrids
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So can anyone describe why a diesel is "more complicated to produce"? My knowledge of diesel design is limited to howstuffworks.com.
I wouldn't say more complicated, but it's more expensive from what I've read in typical car mags. Seems to be linked mostly to emissions and exhaust treatments required to be on par with gas engines. Keep in mind, on top of fuel economy standards, there are emissions standards that aren't that easy to meet with diesel. Now that the price of diesel is typically about the same as gas, obviously manufacturers don't think a hybrid will fly.
I think the hybrid cost argument isn't quite as powerful anymore. =
I don't know if it was ever that powerful. IIRC, most hybrids need 5+ years to return the investment and I think most people buy them for the immediate fuel economy impact.
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#5005641 - 09/01/10 04:55 PM
Re: Diesel Hybrids
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LNXGUY
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One thing I keep thinking is that diesels might not deal that well with frequent starting and shutting off due to the glow plug thing? Or am way off here?
Nah, all depends on temp.. Even in the winter once the car is warmed up as long as the coolant temp doesn't get below a certain point the glowplugs won't even click on...
The constant on/off with a diesel wouldn't be good at all.. Personally, at least in the city I'd like to option to turn the diesel off completely unless it was needed as a last resort...
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#5005649 - 09/01/10 04:58 PM
Re: Diesel Hybrids
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LNXGUY
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Real diesels don't need glow plugs.
An engine that needs a glow plug is of a poor design. The three protos at work don't even use glow plugs. All have an intake heater for cold starts.
I hope I somehow missed the sarcasm here, if not... 
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#5008807 - 09/02/10 06:38 PM
Re: Diesel Hybrids
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LNXGUY
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When I drive my buddies tow vehicle (2007ish Ford 250 diesel), even on hot days I was told to turn the key to run, wait for the glow plug light to go out, then start. OK, it is a Ford, but it seems pretty slick to me.
Chuck, the light always comes on even if they aren't heated up  Same thing with my oldmans Duramax.
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#5009269 - 09/02/10 10:15 PM
Re: Diesel Hybrids
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My mom loved diesels. She had a late 70s diesel sedan, and an '84 300D wagon (non turbo). Both of 'em had a little light in the dash that glowed when the glowplugs were warmed up. They were both pretty cool cars in their own right. She had one of those 80s Oldsmobile diesel stationwagons. Almost made her swear off diesels forever. Certainly made her swear off domestics. That was an unbelievably bad car.
I hate diesels and I hate hybrids, so they're probably a match made in heaven.
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#5009446 - 09/02/10 11:34 PM
Re: Diesel Hybrids
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SamuraiSam
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When I drive my buddies tow vehicle (2007ish Ford 250 diesel), even on hot days I was told to turn the key to run, wait for the glow plug light to go out, then start. OK, it is a Ford, but it seems pretty slick to me. Chuck, the light always comes on even if they aren't heated up Same thing with my oldmans Duramax.
Yep. The cummins all have "Wait to Start" lamps and no glowplugs, just the grid heater. my oldman's 09 TDI Jetta seems to vary between about half a second to five seconds IIRC
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#5009459 - 09/02/10 11:40 PM
Re: Diesel Hybrids
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NOT spotch...
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One thing I keep thinking is that diesels might not deal that well with frequent starting and shutting off due to the glow plug thing? Or am way off here? Nah, all depends on temp.. Even in the winter once the car is warmed up as long as the coolant temp doesn't get below a certain point the glowplugs won't even click on... The constant on/off with a diesel wouldn't be good at all.. Personally, at least in the city I'd like to option to turn the diesel off completely unless it was needed as a last resort...
LOL! You're a valuable addition to the team dude. I love the "why can't we have diesel dishwashers?" threads, where 10 people are like "wtf are you talking about", and then you come in all like "actually diesel powered dishwashers make perfect sense, and here's why..." It's like clockwork, and it always makes me smile
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