#23417 - 03/10/03 01:04 PM
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SiCiViC624
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What does the spring rate tell you about the comfort of the ride? Is it supposed to be as close to the stock ones as possible? I'm confused
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#23418 - 03/12/03 12:02 AM
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Anonymous
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A lot of comfort has to do with shocks and shock settings as well. Keep in mind comfort is subjective, but lower (closer to stock) spring rates are generally more 'comfy'.
In laymans terms spring rates are listed in pounds per inch, i.e. a 290 lb/in rate spring would take 290 lbs to compress it one inch, and 580 lbs. to compress it two inches etc. Basically the higher the spring rates are the harder the spring is to compress, so the suspension feels more stiff.
I know there are a lot more factors and also wheel rates to take into consideration but I wanted to offer a simple explanation.
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#23423 - 04/07/03 03:05 PM
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aesir
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Anyone know the spring rates on the Apex-i N1s?
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#23424 - 04/17/03 07:22 PM
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Anonymous
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What year CTR and are you sure they are linear in the rear? I remember a post a while ago with someone who ordered some CTR springs and I swear they were progressive in the rear (like ITRs).
this site says that CTR springs are 240F / 240R (L/P)
slightly softer than ITR's and linear front / progressive rear just like the ITR's. i got CTR springs/shocks and the rear definately looks/feels progressive. the car feels more neutral in turns, and off-throttle oversteer is more apparent 
also, on the same site ( http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Garage/6282/modifications.html - halfway down) it says Spoon full coilovers are at 300/240
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#23425 - 04/17/03 07:25 PM
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Anonymous
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hey hondaman, ok this maybe noobie, but what does a linear spring look like? is it the ones that have coils which are spaced closer at one end or the other, or is there really no way of telling? i only know what my civic has the uniform ones but i don't know what the other ones are.
i dont know much myself, but linear springs should look like most cheaper coilovers... the distance between each coil is more or less the same. with progressive springs, this distance usually changes as you go up/down the spring.
ps- i see on the list above that you excluded 98 ITR's? were they diff spring rates? i know there were no 99s but 98s should have the same spring rates right?
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#23426 - 05/11/03 09:21 AM
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ek44
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Registered: 08/30/02
Posts: 2112
Loc: toronto
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h&r race springs for 96-00 civics?
h&r race springs for 94 + integras?
thx. 
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#23428 - 05/29/03 06:27 PM
Re: more rates gold-line and Tokico ill kit
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jdircksen
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#23429 - 05/31/03 04:45 PM
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cj99si
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Registered: 01/27/02
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Loc: Maine
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Ok there are spring rates listed for coilovers. My question is where are spring rates taken from. are they taken with the spring compressed all the way for like a 3 inch drop or are they taken uncompressed at a stock height.
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#23431 - 06/07/03 04:56 PM
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BOOMER
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i didnt catch spring rates for H&R race for 92-95 civic or 94+ integra.... please post
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#23432 - 06/20/03 11:36 PM
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ChasingAmy
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Loc: OR
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you guys know a jdm brand kg/mm??? it's pretty stiff and good looking...
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#23433 - 07/18/03 01:31 PM
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idfubar
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Registered: 02/13/00
Posts: 661
Loc: Concord, CA
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Are these pre-load or post-load rates? 
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#23434 - 08/06/03 09:46 AM
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LegoZ 81
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Registered: 07/06/00
Posts: 1161
Loc: Richardson, Tx US
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you can call H&R for info on their springs.
http://www.hrsprings.com/site/index.html <-- For the #
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#23437 - 08/14/03 02:02 AM
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PEM
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Registered: 07/18/03
Posts: 124
Loc: orange county 714
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nice list, but i still kinda lost
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#23438 - 09/13/03 02:10 PM
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#Tuna No Crust
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Registered: 02/28/03
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Loc: OC CAli
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hey hondaman, ok this maybe noobie, but what does a linear spring look like? is it the ones that have coils which are spaced closer at one end or the other, or is there really no way of telling? i only know what my civic has the uniform ones but i don't know what the other ones are.
linear springs produces a linear feedback. for example, a 300 rated spring dampers the car 300lbs/inch no matter how many incheds the spring troubles.
however, proggresive springs produces more like an exponential feedback, for example, the more the spring compreses the more resistance the spring will make/do.
so basicaly, if you take a turn at 15 mph, a progresive spring will only use 50% of its full rate. but if you make the same turn at 35mph, the spring will use it full rate.
but linear spring use their full rate at all the time, no matter how the spring compreses.
linear springs are more rough for normal driving and pretty stiff in light turns, but you oviously see that progressive springs are more comfy for normal driving and great for cornering as well.
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#23440 - 11/19/03 01:29 PM
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Plik
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Registered: 05/01/01
Posts: 10016
Loc: Texas
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Koni RSK suspension kit: 154-205/270 (P/L).
some more info.. springs in the RSK kit are made by Vogtland.
Ive had them on my car for 5 months now and no sag. still happy with the kit
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#23441 - 11/20/03 03:35 PM
Sofsports have a HIGHER rate than OE sports
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JasonCSBB
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Registered: 05/07/03
Posts: 36
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FYI
The spring rates given above for the Neuspeed Sofsports VS. the H&R OE Sports is MISLEADING. They are quoted in the first post, with higher rates for the OE Sports. Hondaman, pls. add a comment to the first post.
I've tried them both, and the Sofsports are definitely FIRMER. They have exactly the same wire diameter, overall diameter, and number of coils. HOWEVER, the way they're wound, the Sofsports have more coils bunched up at one end, which close up when the car is at rest. The Sofsports are then left with fewer active coils than the H&R's, so the resulting spring rate is higher. The H&R's at rest have 2 coils almost closed up, while the Sofsports have 4 coils closed completely while at rest. Assuming they use the same metal, that would make the Sofsport spring rates about 20% more than the H&R's. The resulting ride quality confirms the theory.
The Sofsports also sag within a few days by about 0.5", so the resulting lowering is more than advertised, than theh H&R's. The H&R's did not sag.
Which is the better spring? I am NOT a fan of slammed cars because they do NOT handle well on real roads. Ride quality sucks, and they bottom out and skitter and get upset on midcorner bumps. I do track days, autoxes, and canyon carving. Race cars are slammed because racetracks are smooth and they use super firm springs which ride very rough.
Of all the suspension mods on my '97 HX, the springs had the LEAST effect on the handling - the Koni yellows and the ST rear-only swaybar had the greatest effect, then the caster increase, the tires, then the springs last. The Sofsport's ride quality is borderline sucky and did nothing for handling over the H&R OE Sports.
Disclaimer: My HX is not my main "performance" car, it is my daily driver, and I could NOT stand the god-awful dead-fish handling from the factory. (Shame on Honda.. Sentras and Proteges are much more fun-to-drive from the factory without much penalty in comfort)
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#23442 - 12/02/03 08:11 AM
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Huggy
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Registered: 11/01/99
Posts: 43051
Loc: Cincinnati, OH
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Okay - I beleive the list is up to date. Anything that is posted wrong was given to me wrong so don't cry to me. If you want something added or corrected, post the info here. If you want something changed, give me proof otherwise the info stays as posted.
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#23444 - 12/09/03 02:13 AM
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marshun
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Registered: 02/01/03
Posts: 249
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i was looking for spring rates for h22 swapped ek's. i know progress makes them but i havent gotten an answer from them about the spring rates.
are there other brands? and what are their spring rates? i dont wanna bounce around when i do the swap
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#23445 - 12/10/03 08:40 AM
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dilbert
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Registered: 04/10/02
Posts: 2705
Loc: SW Ontario
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the rate for teh Tokico Illumina kit is posted up but what car is it for? I figure a civic, but I was wondering if the kit for a 90 crx would be different, I figure it would because of the large weight difference. so... Can someone find that possibly?
Thanks.
cliff notes:
Tokico illumina advanced handling kit for 90 crx. (prt # -> ILK216)
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#23447 - 01/05/04 12:45 PM
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spencer
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Registered: 05/29/03
Posts: 509
Loc: TORONTO, ON
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SSR Cup - 392/280
SSR S1 - 448/448
are these "SSR" or "SRR" springs ??? "SRR" regarding to this http://www.srr-racing.com/product.htm
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