#8276557 - 07/04/15 12:03 AM
Re: Cyclists that race - training
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The Mighty BellRacer
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Nice! Looks like you were working pretty hard for most of,it!
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#8278322 - 07/06/15 12:48 PM
Re: Cyclists that race - training
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stickaz_old
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Sounds like its targeted at noobs? Just don't crash into anyone
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#8278351 - 07/06/15 01:06 PM
Re: Cyclists that race - training
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bt0
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Just hold your line & don't veer all over the place. And spin, don't mash.
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#8278352 - 07/06/15 01:07 PM
Re: Cyclists that race - training
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dirtyS13drifta
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Sounds like its targeted at noobs? Just don't crash into anyone
yeah, sort of my thoughts too.
Except more like "don't let anyone else crash into me!"
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#8278836 - 07/06/15 05:53 PM
Re: Cyclists that race - training
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dirtyS13drifta
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how fast?!?!
I'll try to do a few more long-ish rides this week and we'll see how bad I blow up.
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#8281370 - 07/08/15 11:36 AM
Re: Cyclists that race - training
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The Mighty BellRacer
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30 minutes of intervals last night with the sufferfest video revolver.
flat out, like something is chasing you, for 1 minute and then 1 minute of recovery...repeat 15+1 times.
i definitely feel my psychology changing throughout the course of the workout. the first few i feel like superman, then i hit a lull where i pray for death between reps 5-10 and observe a definite drop in top end/endurance, then i just sort of go into an acceptance mode between 11-15 where i see steady power/energy output, then knowing the workout is almost over, i hammer the 16th one with strangely fresh feeling legs.
i'm trying to find a balance of power/energy output that allows me to hammer consistently throughout the whole thing or something to trick me psychologically.
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#8282296 - 07/08/15 11:45 PM
Re: Cyclists that race - training
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Fight club tonight... Not so bad.
Revolver is still the hardest and the hunted is my favorite, mostly because it has the best story 
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#8285543 - 07/11/15 10:07 AM
Re: Cyclists that race - training
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civic00sedan
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Ive already decided I'm in - Wife Ok'd as well. Just working on my brother.
I think its pretty reasonable given everything that included, the length of time , location ,etc. Did you register? 80% sold out already.
YUP - We got registered with the early bird pricing. Now the fun begins. Bike shopping 
Edited by civic00sedan (07/11/15 10:08 AM)
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#8285827 - 07/11/15 05:23 PM
Re: Cyclists that race - training
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civic00sedan
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We're pretty pumped. The camping is all part of it. Hotel pricing and dealing with the logistics make it not worth it.
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#8286535 - 07/12/15 02:14 PM
Re: Cyclists that race - training
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civic00sedan
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I havent camped in years - but I'm totally looking forward to it. To me it's part of the experience. I travel for work and usually average 1 night a week in a hotel. I thought about it for a minute then decided to rough it 
I just sold my old 07 stumpjumper fsr as it was getting pretty ragged and I haven't ridden it since I got a single speed rockhopper 29er that is my primary.
Thinking SC Tallboy - maybe look at the spesh options for 4/5 inch dual trail bike.
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#8290107 - 07/14/15 08:40 PM
Re: Cyclists that race - training
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nato2377
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So the weekend started off on saturday with amateur short track xc racing and the elite men and womens XC race. my teammate raced at 11:30 and i didnt race until 4:15 and it was a sweltering 90 degrees. I go to reg and pick up my number.. ie
lucky 13! and yes, i ran it upside down to conteract the bad mojo lol. they field was pretty heavy with current xc nat. champ todd wells, current cyclocross national champ jeremy powers, cameron dodge, current us cup racer and world cup racer cole oberman, transsylvania epic winner justin lindine , pro roadie stephen hyde, dan timmerman, german rider for cliff bar Ben sonntag and ryan woodall just to name a few. also ,ex AMA Pro motorcycle racer Eric Bostrom was racing which had me super pumped as we hung out a bit and battled each other in the races.
me and E-Boz
so its race time and of course due to call ups, i start at the back. the start was about .3 mile gradual uphill sprint on a multi use path of wood chips to the single track. we start and theres really no where to go so im chilling at the back of 31 guys. theres a single file bridge about halfway up the start that was a niice clusterfuck. I entered the woods 2nd to last. I pass some people on the fire road and we bomb into the 2nd rock garden where its clusterfuck number 2. I get around some people and finally settle into somewhat of a groove in the single track. so we get to this exposed powerline climb and i reach for my bottle...not there. FUUUU!!! my teammate wasnt going to be in the feedzone until lap 2...good thing there was neutral water support....back at the start. ugh. first lap and 2nd lap were good, i was around 2:30 back of wells after lap 1. lap 3 i started getting tight in my calves...not good. apparently the 4 bottles of electrolyte drink i consumed during the day wasnt enough and missing my bottle on lap 1 hurt. I chugged the bottle i had and made it through lap 3 ok still hanging on inside top 20. lap 4 the cramps hit hard and i tried to ride through them as best i could. less then 1k to go my legs locked and i had to get off and try to rub them out. was down about 2 min. got going again and just tried to survive lap 5 but i was going slow and i made it. I ended up 24th/31, last guy on the lead lap and 2nd to last actual finisher...the rest DNF
i was disappointed as i had the legs for a top 20 but silver lining is i still was fast enough for todd wells to not catch me lol i was 20min back.
xc race pic
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#8290120 - 07/14/15 08:51 PM
Re: Cyclists that race - training
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nato2377
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sunday was pro short track xc and amateur xc. my teammate raced at 10:30 and i never got off until 5pm. another long day in the sweltering heat. today my teammate (who is also a dietitian) forced me to drink 8 bottles of endurolyte drink since it was again 90+. So 5 rolls around ,we get called up, again last row but this time only around 20 guys. the race is 20min +1lap. I get a good start and get inside the top 10 and work my way to a high of 7th. I rode most of the race in 8th until i slipped back into a group of 3 for the last 4 laps where we paced each other and rotated pulls. we dropped on of the guys so we were fighting for 9th. bostrom was on the back and did no pulls so i was waiting for the attack and it came on the back straight. me and the other guy went with but couldnt close the 10 yards or so down. so we come flying down the long downhill run in to the finish, make a sweeping left and sprint it out the last 60yds and i got 11th by half a wheel. Kind of a pick me up after a lack luster XC. It was 23 min. 18.1mph avg, est. 315watts. my fastest lap was at 22mph
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#8290149 - 07/14/15 09:10 PM
Re: Cyclists that race - training
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nato2377
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#8294607 - 07/17/15 03:58 PM
Re: Cyclists that race - training
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The Mighty BellRacer
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so i'm in week 9 of this 10 week sufferfest training program.
i've lost like 11 lbs, i've seen my peak power go up considerably, i recover much faster after high intensity events, and it seems i can work at a higher level of constant power out though it's not that easy to judge that one.
the only downside is i haven't been able to log a lot of time outdoors so rides of 40 miles or 2hrs plus feel long to me.
in other news, i did get a new saddle along with a fancy schmancy bike fit. it has helped a lot with the numbness though i still get it a bit. It's still breaking me in, tho.
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#8295507 - 07/18/15 03:53 PM
Re: Cyclists that race - training
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The Mighty BellRacer
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Brutal. That's a hard and scary lesson to learn.
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#8310516 - 07/29/15 11:46 PM
Re: Cyclists that race - training
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The Mighty BellRacer
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i just did a fitness test where i sustained maximum effort for 20 minutes without slowing down, recording splits every minute.
my average heart rate for this was ~172, and my bike computer gave a caloric burn estimate of ~14cal/min (i'm assuming this is actually kcal). i did the conversion and 14kcal/min = 58576 Joules/min = 976 Watts
My average speed on the trainer for this duration is ~20.25mph, which looking at kurt kinetic's published numbers should be ~270 Watts (16200 Joules/min)
i found this interesting that my body is only about 25% efficient at this power output. i imagine the better the shape you're in the higher your efficiency. anybody done a similar measurement?
edit: i think i could have gone another .25mph faster and still held on... but i was worried about cracking and wanted to finish strong.
Edited by BellRacer (07/29/15 11:50 PM)
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#8310591 - 07/30/15 06:27 AM
Re: Cyclists that race - training
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robbbby
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Thats a FTP test or functional threshold power test, it determines what the maximum power you can sustain over the course of 1 hour is.
There are two tests done to find ftp, usually a 8 minute test which is 2x8min intervals and a 20 minute test, they are actually an hour long and this is what they look like
https://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/workouts/1270-20-Minute-Test
https://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/workouts/1271-8-Minute-Test
The data is somehow interpolated to figure out what you would be able to sustain for one hour, so if you were able to do 270W for 20 minutes your actual FTP will probably be in the 250W range.
I don't think your Joules/min vs. actual power output are of any relation, there is way too many factors to deciding how much power you can put out, vo2, lactate, aerobic vs anaerobic power, etc.
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