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#8096017 - 02/17/15 10:29 AM Re: z0mg c2k may now buy a honda.....ver. ctr + boost [Re: iamfob]
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^why no consideration for the bog standard wrx?
that motor is arguably better than the ej25. power delivery makes much more sense for street use! unless the rs/r/r/sti is being bought for track use, i'm not certain that there are clear advantages over the more standard offering.

If you just want power, any turbo car can be made to put down some serious power. even the gti is getting retarded dyno #s (even without a tune!)


time tickling bomb.


i think you meant "ticking time bomb"

and yes, the stock map on the sti (and i think even base turbo wrx) is craaaap
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#8096031 - 02/17/15 10:32 AM Re: z0mg c2k may now buy a honda.....ver. ctr + boost [Re: Screamin' Type-R]
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yeah that's what I meant
Trying to do actual work and post on CSi are too much for me \:\(
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#8096043 - 02/17/15 10:41 AM Re: z0mg c2k may now buy a honda.....ver. ctr + boost [Re: iamfob]
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Wow EJ25 issues.
Pls do tell. I am curious now XD
I know they suck in terms of heat management -- it only running something silly like 5 qts of oil doesn't help. But what's this about the internals?
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#8096254 - 02/17/15 12:26 PM Re: z0mg c2k may now buy a honda.....ver. ctr + boost [Re: 4age]
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Basically one of the piston (4th one) is not getting enough coolant, first you will notice the car is losing/burning coolant. Later on the head gasket started to go (approximately $2500 job since half the engine is coming out). If you got to the point where HG went, you might as well replace all the internal (pistons, head gasket, studs, etc.) and get a better tune.

If you read on Toronto Subaru Club or other Subaru forum, it happened to modded and bone stock STi (08+). Pretty scary and high failure ratio.

When I sold mine, I have a feeling my HG is on its way out and I was topping up coolant every 2 weeks.
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#8114335 - 03/03/15 08:29 AM Re: z0mg c2k may now buy a honda.....ver. ctr + boost [Re: iamfob]
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#8114416 - 03/03/15 09:14 AM Re: z0mg c2k may now buy a honda.....ver. ctr + boost [Re: Euphoricuck]
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cant see at work but i assume that's the 'ring lap? 7.50.xx....holy christ!

saw published yesterday it's 310hp or so and 295 trq at like 2500k rpm...lol, who ever would have thought?

honda not so 'dead' afterall, eh? ;\)

can't wait to see what the nsx pulls out of its arse.
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#8114487 - 03/03/15 09:35 AM Re: z0mg c2k may now buy a honda.....ver. ctr + boost [Re: Screamin' Type-R]
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type r confirmed for north america? :P
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#8114489 - 03/03/15 09:38 AM Re: z0mg c2k may now buy a honda.....ver. ctr + boost [Re: spd-dmn]
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type r confirmed for north america? :P
where? link?
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#8114497 - 03/03/15 09:43 AM Re: z0mg c2k may now buy a honda.....ver. ctr + boost [Re: Euphoricuck]
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it's a question.. im askin screamin hehe
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#8114500 - 03/03/15 09:44 AM Re: z0mg c2k may now buy a honda.....ver. ctr + boost [Re: spd-dmn]
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#8114505 - 03/03/15 09:46 AM Re: z0mg c2k may now buy a honda.....ver. ctr + boost [Re: Euphoricuck]
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most likely scenario is the engine or a version of it makes it to the NAR bodied car

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#8114508 - 03/03/15 09:47 AM Re: z0mg c2k may now buy a honda.....ver. ctr + boost [Re: Euphoricuck]
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lXGmjt1FtQ


Fawk - that car PULLS HARD!
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#8114511 - 03/03/15 09:47 AM Re: z0mg c2k may now buy a honda.....ver. ctr + boost [Re: spd-dmn]
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honestly...i've got two sides to the story, one much "better" than the other. not all is lost yet, we'll see.
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#8114543 - 03/03/15 09:59 AM Re: z0mg c2k may now buy a honda.....ver. ctr + boost [Re: Screamin' Type-R]
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although Im really curious if a mechanical LSD would help the torque steer. But hey, 7:50 on the ring in a FWD 4 banger? that's damn impressive.
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#8114847 - 03/03/15 12:23 PM Re: z0mg c2k may now buy a honda.....ver. ctr + boost [Re: c2k]
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"On top of a four-point Adaptive Damper System, which enables continuous independent control of each wheel, there’s a Dual Axis Strut Front Suspension design that helps to reduce torque steer while enhancing high speed stability and hard cornering, along with an H-shaped torsion beam constructed with a bespoke ‘crushed pipe’ to improve rear roll rigidity." /not bad

checked the times for the hell of it...um wow, some good company:


7:47 Porsche 911 GT3 RS Horst von Saurma Sport Auto
7:47 Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano Horst von Saurma Sport Auto[62]
7:47 Lamborghini Murciélago LP640 E-gear Horst von Saurma
7:48 BMW M3 GTS Horst von Saurma Sport Auto[63]
7:49 Chevrolet Corvette C6 Z06 Horst von Saurma 22 June 2007
7:50 BMW M3 CSL Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (08/2003)
7:50 Porsche 911 Carrera S (2009) Horst von Saurma Sport PCCB, PDK, Sport Chrono Plus, Michelin Cup tires
7:52 Lamborghini Gallardo LP 560-4 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (11/2008),[66] apparently problems with tires and ABS
7:54 Mercedes CLK DTM AMG Sport Auto (03/2005)
7:54 Nissan GT-R September 2008 Porsche conducted test,[43] stock vehicle with stock tires
7:54 Porsche 911 Turbo 997 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto
7:54.36 Renault Mégane RS 275 Trophy-R Laurent Hurgon 16 June 2014 Test realised by Renault Sport. New record for a FWD car[68]
7:55 Caterham R500 Superlight Robert Nearn 'EVO' magazine (07/2000)
7:55 Ferrari F430 F1 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (01/2006)
7:56 Chevrolet Corvette C5 Z06 Dave Hill
7:56 Porsche 911 Turbo (996) Horst von Saurma Sport Auto [70]
7:56 Porsche Panamera Turbo Walter Röhrl Motor Trend (07/2009)
7:56 Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale f1 Horst von Saurma
7:56.73 Honda NSX-R (NA2) Motoharu Kurosawa -
7:58.4 Seat Leon Mk3 Cupra Jordi Gene March 2014 T
7:59 Chevrolet Corvette C6 Z51
7:59 Cadillac CTS-V (2009) John Heinricy 9 May 2008
7:59 Porsche 911 Carrera S Walter Röhrl
7:59 Nissan Skyline GT-R R33 V-Spec
7:59 Dodge Viper SRT-10
8:01 Nissan Skyline GT-R R33 Motoharu Kurosawa

just saw this too...

"Honda has also admitted an even more extreme version of the Civic Type R isn’t an impossible dream. At the Paris Motor Show, chief engineer Hisayuki Yaga said that Honda would be prepared to follow the example of the likes of SEAT and Renault by making even wilder versions if there is demand from customers.

“The Type R is already a very special, extreme version. We have been pursuing the ultimate performance,” he said. “But of course technically everything is possible, depending on customer demand. If there is a big noise in the market requiring even more extreme performance, this is something we might consider, even though at the moment it is not in planning.” " \:o

also, one of the guys here talked to R&D in Ohio re. new NSX...they basically say "you haven't seen nothing yet" lol...
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#8114858 - 03/03/15 12:28 PM Re: z0mg c2k may now buy a honda.....ver. ctr + boost [Re: Screamin' Type-R]
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 Originally Posted By: Screamin DC2R
"On top of a four-point Adaptive Damper System, which enables continuous independent control of each wheel, there’s a Dual Axis Strut Front Suspension design that helps to reduce torque steer while enhancing high speed stability and hard cornering, along with an H-shaped torsion beam constructed with a bespoke ‘crushed pipe’ to improve rear roll rigidity." /not bad

checked the times for the hell of it...um wow, some good company:


7:47 Porsche 911 GT3 RS Horst von Saurma Sport Auto
7:47 Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano Horst von Saurma Sport Auto[62]
7:47 Lamborghini Murciélago LP640 E-gear Horst von Saurma
7:48 BMW M3 GTS Horst von Saurma Sport Auto[63]
7:49 Chevrolet Corvette C6 Z06 Horst von Saurma 22 June 2007
7:50 BMW M3 CSL Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (08/2003)
7:50 Porsche 911 Carrera S (2009) Horst von Saurma Sport PCCB, PDK, Sport Chrono Plus, Michelin Cup tires
7:52 Lamborghini Gallardo LP 560-4 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (11/2008),[66] apparently problems with tires and ABS
7:54 Mercedes CLK DTM AMG Sport Auto (03/2005)
7:54 Nissan GT-R September 2008 Porsche conducted test,[43] stock vehicle with stock tires
7:54 Porsche 911 Turbo 997 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto
7:54.36 Renault Mégane RS 275 Trophy-R Laurent Hurgon 16 June 2014 Test realised by Renault Sport. New record for a FWD car[68]
7:55 Caterham R500 Superlight Robert Nearn 'EVO' magazine (07/2000)
7:55 Ferrari F430 F1 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (01/2006)
7:56 Chevrolet Corvette C5 Z06 Dave Hill
7:56 Porsche 911 Turbo (996) Horst von Saurma Sport Auto [70]
7:56 Porsche Panamera Turbo Walter Röhrl Motor Trend (07/2009)
7:56 Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale f1 Horst von Saurma
7:56.73 Honda NSX-R (NA2) Motoharu Kurosawa -
7:58.4 Seat Leon Mk3 Cupra Jordi Gene March 2014 T
7:59 Chevrolet Corvette C6 Z51
7:59 Cadillac CTS-V (2009) John Heinricy 9 May 2008
7:59 Porsche 911 Carrera S Walter Röhrl
7:59 Nissan Skyline GT-R R33 V-Spec
7:59 Dodge Viper SRT-10
8:01 Nissan Skyline GT-R R33 Motoharu Kurosawa

just saw this too...

"Honda has also admitted an even more extreme version of the Civic Type R isn’t an impossible dream. At the Paris Motor Show, chief engineer Hisayuki Yaga said that Honda would be prepared to follow the example of the likes of SEAT and Renault by making even wilder versions if there is demand from customers.

“The Type R is already a very special, extreme version. We have been pursuing the ultimate performance,” he said. “But of course technically everything is possible, depending on customer demand. If there is a big noise in the market requiring even more extreme performance, this is something we might consider, even though at the moment it is not in planning.” " \:o

also, one of the guys here talked to R&D in Ohio re. new NSX...they basically say "you haven't seen nothing yet" lol...


fuck you honda for teasing us. either you sell the ctr to NA or you dont. Shit or get the fuck off the pot.
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#8114927 - 03/03/15 12:53 PM Re: z0mg c2k may now buy a honda.....ver. ctr + boost [Re: c2k]
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 Originally Posted By: c2k
 Originally Posted By: Screamin DC2R
"On top of a four-point Adaptive Damper System, which enables continuous independent control of each wheel, there’s a Dual Axis Strut Front Suspension design that helps to reduce torque steer while enhancing high speed stability and hard cornering, along with an H-shaped torsion beam constructed with a bespoke ‘crushed pipe’ to improve rear roll rigidity." /not bad

checked the times for the hell of it...um wow, some good company:


7:47 Porsche 911 GT3 RS Horst von Saurma Sport Auto
7:47 Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano Horst von Saurma Sport Auto[62]
7:47 Lamborghini Murciélago LP640 E-gear Horst von Saurma
7:48 BMW M3 GTS Horst von Saurma Sport Auto[63]
7:49 Chevrolet Corvette C6 Z06 Horst von Saurma 22 June 2007
7:50 BMW M3 CSL Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (08/2003)
7:50 Porsche 911 Carrera S (2009) Horst von Saurma Sport PCCB, PDK, Sport Chrono Plus, Michelin Cup tires
7:52 Lamborghini Gallardo LP 560-4 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (11/2008),[66] apparently problems with tires and ABS
7:54 Mercedes CLK DTM AMG Sport Auto (03/2005)
7:54 Nissan GT-R September 2008 Porsche conducted test,[43] stock vehicle with stock tires
7:54 Porsche 911 Turbo 997 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto
7:54.36 Renault Mégane RS 275 Trophy-R Laurent Hurgon 16 June 2014 Test realised by Renault Sport. New record for a FWD car[68]
7:55 Caterham R500 Superlight Robert Nearn 'EVO' magazine (07/2000)
7:55 Ferrari F430 F1 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (01/2006)
7:56 Chevrolet Corvette C5 Z06 Dave Hill
7:56 Porsche 911 Turbo (996) Horst von Saurma Sport Auto [70]
7:56 Porsche Panamera Turbo Walter Röhrl Motor Trend (07/2009)
7:56 Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale f1 Horst von Saurma
7:56.73 Honda NSX-R (NA2) Motoharu Kurosawa -
7:58.4 Seat Leon Mk3 Cupra Jordi Gene March 2014 T
7:59 Chevrolet Corvette C6 Z51
7:59 Cadillac CTS-V (2009) John Heinricy 9 May 2008
7:59 Porsche 911 Carrera S Walter Röhrl
7:59 Nissan Skyline GT-R R33 V-Spec
7:59 Dodge Viper SRT-10
8:01 Nissan Skyline GT-R R33 Motoharu Kurosawa

just saw this too...

"Honda has also admitted an even more extreme version of the Civic Type R isn’t an impossible dream. At the Paris Motor Show, chief engineer Hisayuki Yaga said that Honda would be prepared to follow the example of the likes of SEAT and Renault by making even wilder versions if there is demand from customers.

“The Type R is already a very special, extreme version. We have been pursuing the ultimate performance,” he said. “But of course technically everything is possible, depending on customer demand. If there is a big noise in the market requiring even more extreme performance, this is something we might consider, even though at the moment it is not in planning.” " \:o

also, one of the guys here talked to R&D in Ohio re. new NSX...they basically say "you haven't seen nothing yet" lol...


fuck you honda for teasing us. either you sell the ctr to NA or you dont. Shit or get the fuck off the pot.


c2k comments iz bezt comments

k dude...put it this way, they have not said it's NOT coming...
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#8114938 - 03/03/15 01:01 PM Re: z0mg c2k may now buy a honda.....ver. ctr + boost [Re: Screamin' Type-R]
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that was a developmental car though..roll cage... likely r compounds. and who knows how much boost.
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#8114944 - 03/03/15 01:06 PM Re: z0mg c2k may now buy a honda.....ver. ctr + boost [Re: Screamin' Type-R]
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 Originally Posted By: Screamin DC2R
 Originally Posted By: c2k
 Originally Posted By: Screamin DC2R
"On top of a four-point Adaptive Damper System, which enables continuous independent control of each wheel, there’s a Dual Axis Strut Front Suspension design that helps to reduce torque steer while enhancing high speed stability and hard cornering, along with an H-shaped torsion beam constructed with a bespoke ‘crushed pipe’ to improve rear roll rigidity." /not bad

checked the times for the hell of it...um wow, some good company:


7:47 Porsche 911 GT3 RS Horst von Saurma Sport Auto
7:47 Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano Horst von Saurma Sport Auto[62]
7:47 Lamborghini Murciélago LP640 E-gear Horst von Saurma
7:48 BMW M3 GTS Horst von Saurma Sport Auto[63]
7:49 Chevrolet Corvette C6 Z06 Horst von Saurma 22 June 2007
7:50 BMW M3 CSL Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (08/2003)
7:50 Porsche 911 Carrera S (2009) Horst von Saurma Sport PCCB, PDK, Sport Chrono Plus, Michelin Cup tires
7:52 Lamborghini Gallardo LP 560-4 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (11/2008),[66] apparently problems with tires and ABS
7:54 Mercedes CLK DTM AMG Sport Auto (03/2005)
7:54 Nissan GT-R September 2008 Porsche conducted test,[43] stock vehicle with stock tires
7:54 Porsche 911 Turbo 997 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto
7:54.36 Renault Mégane RS 275 Trophy-R Laurent Hurgon 16 June 2014 Test realised by Renault Sport. New record for a FWD car[68]
7:55 Caterham R500 Superlight Robert Nearn 'EVO' magazine (07/2000)
7:55 Ferrari F430 F1 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (01/2006)
7:56 Chevrolet Corvette C5 Z06 Dave Hill
7:56 Porsche 911 Turbo (996) Horst von Saurma Sport Auto [70]
7:56 Porsche Panamera Turbo Walter Röhrl Motor Trend (07/2009)
7:56 Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale f1 Horst von Saurma
7:56.73 Honda NSX-R (NA2) Motoharu Kurosawa -
7:58.4 Seat Leon Mk3 Cupra Jordi Gene March 2014 T
7:59 Chevrolet Corvette C6 Z51
7:59 Cadillac CTS-V (2009) John Heinricy 9 May 2008
7:59 Porsche 911 Carrera S Walter Röhrl
7:59 Nissan Skyline GT-R R33 V-Spec
7:59 Dodge Viper SRT-10
8:01 Nissan Skyline GT-R R33 Motoharu Kurosawa

just saw this too...

"Honda has also admitted an even more extreme version of the Civic Type R isn’t an impossible dream. At the Paris Motor Show, chief engineer Hisayuki Yaga said that Honda would be prepared to follow the example of the likes of SEAT and Renault by making even wilder versions if there is demand from customers.

“The Type R is already a very special, extreme version. We have been pursuing the ultimate performance,” he said. “But of course technically everything is possible, depending on customer demand. If there is a big noise in the market requiring even more extreme performance, this is something we might consider, even though at the moment it is not in planning.” " \:o

also, one of the guys here talked to R&D in Ohio re. new NSX...they basically say "you haven't seen nothing yet" lol...


fuck you honda for teasing us. either you sell the ctr to NA or you dont. Shit or get the fuck off the pot.


c2k comments iz bezt comments

k dude...put it this way, they have not said it's NOT coming...


The price is a huge deciding factor. The Civic Si sedan is selling for $26,850 MRSP, Golf R approx $39,995 MRSP, No price yet for Focus RS, but ST is selling for $28,499 MRSP. Gosh, I wonder how much the CTR will sell for IF Honda decides to shit on the pot and sell to NA.
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#8114961 - 03/03/15 01:13 PM Re: z0mg c2k may now buy a honda.....ver. ctr + boost [Re: c2k]
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^prob golf R / STI / EVO range yeah.
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#8114977 - 03/03/15 01:19 PM Re: z0mg c2k may now buy a honda.....ver. ctr + boost [Re: Screamin' Type-R]
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#8115020 - 03/03/15 01:42 PM Re: z0mg c2k may now buy a honda.....ver. ctr + boost [Re: Euphoricuck]
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SWEET! BRB gonna apply to be a street walker to make 4k a week cash for my 19th part time gig.
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#8115024 - 03/03/15 01:44 PM Re: z0mg c2k may now buy a honda.....ver. ctr + boost [Re: c2k]
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Hahaha Honda out to lunch again!!! Man nothing but jokes year after year.
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#8115802 - 03/03/15 09:55 PM Re: z0mg c2k may now buy a honda.....ver. ctr + boost [Re: Hatorade]
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LOL dual axis front strut.
Marketing speak for "did not want to pay for unequal length double a arms".
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#8115826 - 03/03/15 10:43 PM Re: z0mg c2k may now buy a honda.....ver. ctr + boost [Re: 4age]
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never good enough for csi lol
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#8115842 - 03/03/15 11:19 PM Re: z0mg c2k may now buy a honda.....ver. ctr + boost [Re: Screamin' Type-R]
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#8118125 - 03/05/15 12:23 PM Re: z0mg c2k may now buy a honda.....ver. ctr + boost [Re: spd-dmn]
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type r confirmed for north america? :P


something's in the works \:\)
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#8118267 - 03/05/15 01:19 PM Re: z0mg c2k may now buy a honda.....ver. ctr + boost [Re: Screamin' Type-R]
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*yawn* honda.

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#8118277 - 03/05/15 01:24 PM Re: z0mg c2k may now buy a honda.....ver. ctr + boost [Re: c2k]
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*yawn* honda.



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Another wicked Honda we wont get...
http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2015/03/2015-honda-s660-spotted-in-production-form.html

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#8143796 - 03/25/15 12:47 PM Re: z0mg c2k may now buy a honda.....ver. ctr + boost [Re: The Postman]
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Registered: 08/06/00
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Wicked?
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#8143845 - 03/25/15 01:08 PM Re: z0mg c2k may now buy a honda.....ver. ctr + boost [Re: LNXGUY]
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Registered: 02/20/01
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Loc: T.O. - Canaduh
lol.

but yeah kei cars in jpn can only go so big in terms of size and engine/power...good thing it's light, but even then it's pretty weak. =\

rumour is north america may see a 1.0L turbo S1000 model with 110+ hp, rwd, 6spd...hopefully it stays light.

still no diesels coming \:\(

base Civic hatch models will be back which is nice, prob imported from the UK....

i know 2016 civic (alliston) is gonna be big...they didn't cheap out with this one....

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#8144127 - 03/25/15 02:56 PM Re: z0mg c2k may now buy a honda.....ver. ctr + boost [Re: Screamin' Type-R]
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