Interesting. Is this something you can use for intermittent cycles or are the gains lost when you go off?

This "safe" oral stuff, it's all you take or do you need other shit too?

Technically, almost every steroid should be taken in conjunction with Testosterone. However, my first few cycles were Turinabol only cycles and I had great results. I didn't start injecting for a year after starting Turinabol (Haladrol-50 was the over the counter turinabol supplement at the time).


edit: i think you may have meant Post Cycle Therapy.

In my opinion, the first cycle shouldn't need any post cycle meds. Maybe after a 1 or 2 you can get Nolvadex for coming off of Turinabol. Like I said though, Turinabol has almost no Estrogenic conversion so the need for anti-estrogens are low.

Isn't that shit the same Dbol people have been fucking themselves up with since like the 80s?

Won't Turinabol still suppress the HPTA, necessitating a SERM to help restart natural test production?

Would you happen to know if any of those 'liver support' pills help?

No doubt. No judgement here. I'm not even kidding, I don't want to fall off when I get older. Meanwhile, it seems to be moving more and more into the mainstream. Almost boutique-like. If they get it down to a science, sign me up. I need to be 60 and flexin' on niggaz.

So are people actually out there going and checking their ACTUAL testosterone production, estrogen levels, during a cycle? I just find it pretty odd to put this stuff in your body and then guess what you need/don't need and going by *feel* on how your body is reacting to it.

A lot of people talk about it, how it should be taken, not sure how many actually have quantifiable/verifiable data and everyone is glossing over the side effects.

I have two buddies that went down this path, safe steroids and all, one just had surgery to remove sh!t out of his chest glands...but it's just part of the cycle doe! Not to be a debbie downer on the subject, just trying to understand how people know quantities of what/when to take/what makes them so certain it's safe...or is everyone going on *best practices* and what worked on someone else's body who quantifiably monitored their status and assuming their body will react the same?

They are called Vitamins.

You're not being a debbie downer at all. Steroids can be extremely dangerous. There are paid forums dedicated to the research and discussion of all sorts of steroids/brands/websites etc. Many of these forums provide in depth analyses of brands and their dosage. They also test the chemical make-up to ensure the product is legit and the company selling it is legit. Also, many manufacturers print holograms and lot numbers on their product, which can be verified through their website.

Knowing the product is legit and correctly dosed is half the battle. Taking it is another science altogether. Your friend, that got gynocomastia and had to get his glands removed, has no one to blame but himself. That's a symptom of being lazy and uneducated. He overdosed and didn't take the proper Post Cycle Therapy.

I am really surprised at the number of people willing to do these drugs. I guess it's the result of various factors in my life (life experience + classes in school) that make me completely unwilling to take what several of you guys here are heavily in support of. Oh well, different strokes. Also, it's also notable that there's few medical professionals in here advocating these techniques for muscle gain.

I DID NOT GIVE YOU PERMISSION TO POST A PICTURE OF ME!!!! NOW WHERE IS MY PROTEIN SHAKE MADE OF BABIES!!!!?!!! RAAAAWWWWWRRRRR!!!!!!!!

I am really surprised at the number of people willing to do these drugs. I guess it's the result of various factors in my life (life experience + classes in school) that make me completely unwilling to take what several of you guys here are heavily in support of. Oh well, different strokes. Also, it's also notable that there's few medical professionals in here advocating these techniques for muscle gain.

It's astonishing how many people are into this.