#1210529 - 03/31/07 01:19 PM
Re: Porter Cable 7424 Questions
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pinch the pads under running water. Works great.
Now, the pads have to be dry, or they'll start forming mold. Ask me how I know 
You don't want to wring out the pads, especially the velcro-backed pads, because the backing will start to separate. Go outside, FAR AWAY FROM YOUR CLEAN CAR, put the pad back on the buffer at low speed, and just spin the water out. IT only takes a minute or so and the pad will be completely dry, but it will fling water all over the place.
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#1361365 - 05/07/07 09:30 AM
Re: Porter Cable 7424 Questions
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SiAdam
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Heh- if you wanna help a bud out- go to http://www.detailingfaq.blogspot.com and click on the Amazon link through there to buy it. Comes with a pad and I believe its only 110.00 there. -Matt
Sounds decent enough...however what all do I need to come w/it..
Waxes/Extra pads..want to get it all @ once..
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I looked @ the link...read about the waxes...but didn't see anything about the pads I should purchase as well.
Links/stores/etc?
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#1434617 - 05/14/07 09:18 PM
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I think kit #3 is your best bet as it comes with the most stuff. With that being said, Adam- the thing you need to know is you begin with a cutting pad (whether it be light, medium, or heavy cut), and then just work your way back down, going to a polishing pad, and then a finishing pad. For my pads, I go yellow, white, black, and I *think* I got my kit off of autopia somewhere, its been awhile though.
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Also, feel free to post these in the detailing thread!
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#1438151 - 05/15/07 09:47 AM
Re: Porter Cable 7424 Questions
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SiAdam
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Meh, its alright. It doesnt come with a finishing pad or a heavy cutting pad. I would get one that comes with one pad for the following:
Heavy Cutting
Medium Cutting
Light Cutting
Finishing
With that being said, I think youd be better off buying one of the above kits.
-Matt
Like #3? I am seriously thinking about pulling the trigger today...just afraid it won't be here by friday...where is that place located?
lol...I called them..They are located in Fl.
She said it should be here by Friday..so well see...??
I am thinking it over and will prolly order it soon..
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#1446523 - 05/17/07 12:17 AM
Re: Porter Cable 7424 Questions
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SiAdam
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You said you go w/this order Yellow, White & Black.
I have
White 6.5 inch Polishing Foam Pads
Less dense foam formula for the application of waxes, micro-fine polishes and sealants. This pad has very light cutting power so its perfect for pre-wax cleaners.
Gray 6.5 Inch Finishing Foam Pads
Composition is firm enough to withstand added pressure during final finishing to remove buffer swirls. It has no cut and will apply thin, even coats of waxes, sealants, and glazes.
Blue 6.5 Inch Finessing Foam Pad
Flat pad has soft composition for applying glaze, finishing polish, sealants, and liquid waxes. Flat pad provides full contact with paint surface to minimize the pressure applied by the user.
Orange Low Profile Foam pads
The 5.5 inch pad will remove light to moderate scratches and swirls and light oxidation. Firm, high density foam for scratch and defect removal. Use this pad with polishes and swirl removers. It’s an all around pad that will work on most light to moderate imperfections.
Ok, w/all that out of the way..what order should I use them ?
Also, w/what combination of waxes should I use. I have a sealer liquid wax that a local detailer uses, called liquid Glass I believe..
Everything else I will need to purchase locally. What other waxes/cleaners/polishes/glazes/sealers/etc do I need.
I am going to wash/clay before I start...got a big show on Sat to attend.
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#1452194 - 05/18/07 12:09 PM
Re: Porter Cable 7424 Questions
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Use scratch x with the orange pad first, its better to try a combo that will be too weak than one that will be too strong. Also, when you clay- just use the soapy water from your car as it will be a better lubricant. Just do the liquid glass OR the NXT, they are the same thing, and Id recommend the NXT personally. The one product Ill STRONGLY recommend which you can get locally is Mother's Carnauba Wax. It smells like cherries, so you'll know you got the right thing. Its a good, thick Carnauba which has a good run-off factor too it (how well water runs off), and even after weeks, a quick mist with a quik detailer makes it look good as new. If you have any questions, you know where to ask...
-Matt
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#1456571 - 05/19/07 11:55 AM
Re: Porter Cable 7424 Questions
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Looks like you have a decent head start. Have either of you tried the Sonus brand? I just picked up their swirl remover and I love it. I'm using similar pads, 6.5" with a backing plate.
I usually start off with the Meg's professional light/medium/heavy cut cleaner, then the Sonus SFX2 or Meg's #9 Swirl remover (if needed). I'll follow up with the Meg's #7 glaze and a lighter pad. After that, I'll seal it with a nice carnuba wax. Meg's #26 works good, but for nice cars, I'll use Klasse (lasts long) and then a finishing coat of P21S. I actually REALLY REALLY REALLY recommend that stuff, it's well worth the money for a finishing wax. Here's a link to some of the products:
The pads I use
http://www.autopia-carcare.com/son-sfxpad-kit.html
P21S
http://www.autopia-carcare.com/p21-127.html
Sonus Brand (made by autopia)
http://www.autopia-carcare.com/index.html
They are a new favorite site of mine, as they carry Sonus, Meguiar's, Klasse, P21S, Stoner, 303 Products, Clay Magic, and even sell Porter Cables! The customer service was also good...
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#1531589 - 06/11/07 04:30 PM
Re: Porter Cable 7424 Questions
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#1561917 - 06/20/07 02:45 AM
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I've detailed 5 black cars in the past week. For each car, I've used Meguairs professional Heavy cut cleaner ( here ) followed with Sonus SFX-2 Swirl remover ( here ). A few of the cars were in horrible condition, and all 5 of them came out looking brand new. The finished results were amazing, and the owners were extremely satisfied (as was I). Unfortunately, since I dont have a camera, i dont have any pics, but I asked the owners to take a few, and hopefully i'll have some soon. Just be sure that if you use the heavy cut cleaner, that you follow up with a glaze, like the #3 ( here ), in order to bring the gloss back.
Edit: Let it be noted that you don't always need to use the heavy cut - i just use that because I'm detailing cars that most likely have never been detailed before and have many imperfections in the paint. There is also a medium and light cut cleaner that will also work well depending on the job. Also, meg's #7 (show car glaze) also works well. I'm still trying to figure out which i like better, 3 or 7.
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#1562167 - 06/20/07 08:46 AM
Re: Porter Cable 7424 Questions
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Also, meg's #7 (show car glaze) also works well. I'm still trying to figure out which i like better, 3 or 7.
I absolutely HATE using Meg's #7. It seems like it is so much work to put that damned glaze onto the car, and take off is no easier. Mother's and Meguiar's are good at making consumer products, and they make them well. However, for the avid detailer, I have found that there are numerous other brands which Mothers and Megs cannot even compete with. I love my Poorboy's. The SSR2.5 is a VERY good swirl remover and can get almost all swirls out of dark colored (and light colored, obviously) cars. However, the SSR3 can get what the 2.5 cant, but it is VERY abrasive and WILL dull your paint. So, if you go with the SSR3, you need to follow that up with the SSR2.5 and then the SSR1. The SSR3 gets deeps swirls out by creating a very abrasive surface, and by doing so, it leaves TONS of swirls, which the SSR2.5 can easily get out. So, if you go straight from SSR3, to a carnauba, your car MIGHT look decent from far away, but in direct light, itll look like bucocky.
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#1566633 - 06/21/07 01:06 PM
Re: Porter Cable 7424 Questions
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Do you think the natty's is better then the P21s/S100?
Have you used the P21s/S100?
I've used many waxes, and nothing compares to that stuff - if you get any on your hands you'll be dropping stuff for the rest of the day due to the slickness haha. It gives an amazing feel and amazing look, and I just can't picture anything doing justice better.
I might try it sometime, but for right now I need to chill with spending money on detailing supplies. The poorboys 1, 2.5 and 3 sound good too, but I think it would be adding more steps to my process, and I already have a great working process down pat with all the proper pads. I think that would add a few more steps too.
Right now, I'll use one of the Meg's paint cleaners if the paint is in bad condition, and then follow up with the Sonus swirl remover. I have two yellow pads for both of these. After that, I'll either use Meg's #3 or #7 glaze (white pad) and #26 yellow wax (blue finishing pad) if its a regular cusomers car (older camry, civic, etc) or Klasse glaze/sealant (white pad) followed by P21s (applied by hand) if its for a higher class car with nicer paint (BMW, Ferrari, etc). This seems to work great for me and isn't too much work at all.
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#1572816 - 06/23/07 11:46 AM
Re: Porter Cable 7424 Questions
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Adam-
I dont know how in the world youre going to get those black circles out of your paint, Id be pissed if I had crap like that on my car. Maye try an eraser or something? 
Anyways, jokes aside, Bobbys right, you need an agressive swirl remover (Megs High Cut Polish, Poorboy's SSR3, etc), and an agressive pad (Wolfgang Concourse Yellow), and then just work your way back. If you have the balls, and that does not work, it might be worth it to try and give it a little wetsand.
-Matt
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#1610330 - 07/05/07 08:54 AM
Re: Porter Cable 7424 Questions
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After reading through this thread i decided to buy a PC. I got it a couple weeks ago and buffed my car this past weekend. The sides and trunk turned out great but im not satisfied with the roof and hood. I used poorboys SSR2.5, SSR1, EXP, and finished it off with Mothers Carnauba. I ordered Poorboys SSR3 to try on the roof and hood. I had a couple questions.
What speed are you using for each pad and product?
Poorboys SSR3 with yellow pad
Poorboys SSR2.5 with orange pad
Poorboys SSR1 with white pad
Poorboys EXP with gray pad
Mothers Carnauba with blue pad
And also do you put any prussure on the buffer and does it vary for what your doing. I've read different things. Some say let the buffer do all the work and read somewhere else to put about 25lbs on it. What do you guys think?
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#1620275 - 07/07/07 06:51 AM
Re: Porter Cable 7424 Questions
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Regular washing machine and dryer. Make sure to use NO HEAT in both. I usually run cold/cold in the washer with a little detergent as possible, and then no heat in the dryer with NO FABRIC SOFTENER.
They so make special stuff to wash your MF towels. Its called Micro-restore, and it works great. Woolite also works great for cleaning. Just be sure not to wash them with anything else. They will pick up all the lint from the other items and ruin the towel.
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#1626183 - 07/09/07 11:47 AM
Re: Porter Cable 7424 Questions
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Regular washing machine and dryer. Make sure to use NO HEAT in both. I usually run cold/cold in the washer with a little detergent as possible, and then no heat in the dryer with NO FABRIC SOFTENER. They so make special stuff to wash your MF towels. Its called Micro-restore, and it works great. Woolite also works great for cleaning. Just be sure not to wash them with anything else. They will pick up all the lint from the other items and ruin the towel.
Link to Micro-Restore?
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#1714761 - 08/02/07 08:16 PM
Re: Porter Cable 7424 Questions
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I only ordered the PC (no kit, etc) as I found it over at Tools Plus for 99$ and 6$ shipping.
It depends on what package you purchased. Do you have a link to the one you bought? The kit I bought from Autopia had a 6" flexible backing pad. Usually the basic pad kit consists of a cutting pad, polishing pad and finishing pad. Tat's what you'd want to get polishing. Personally I've used both Sonus and Meg's softbuff pads on my PC. I like the Sonus pads alot more than the softbuff. Here's a link to pads, etc from Autopia. If you look back in this thread you'll see a code for an additional 10% off. http://www.autopia-carcare.com/sonussfxpads.htmlHope this has helped you some man! Good luck on the detailing. EDIT: Since the Tahoe is new, I don't think you'd need to use the cutting pad....yet. But you will over time as swirls and scratches accumulate.
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#1777455 - 08/22/07 11:41 AM
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#2249509 - 01/22/08 02:40 AM
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I've got a question for you guys... in all my years of detailing, I've never dealt with this problem before.
I got my wheels put on the car last week, and did a quick detailing today. I used the PC with Griots Machine Polish 3 on the flat surfaces, and 3M Hand Glaze everywhere else. Finished up with a coat of Blitz Wax.
One of my wheels was purchased used. The wheel looks like new, but after washing today, I noticed that it didn't have the clearcoat shine of the other wheels. The finish appears clean, but is rough, and dull. It's just a clearcoated OEM alloy wheel. I thought maybe the clearcoat had somehow been stripped by the previous owner, but I used an aggressive machine polish and did bring it back somewhat. There is a clearcoat, but it needs an aggressive polishing.
What would you guys recommend? My PC and 6 inch pads are cumbersome, and I don't think that any hand-applied product is going to get the job done. It's going to need an aggressive polish and probably some elbow grease to polish it up nicely... I have no idea what happened. The wheel looks flawless, but for some reason the clearcoat is rough and dull.
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#2286960 - 02/02/08 05:20 AM
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I have a question regarding the last two stages. It seems some people are using the Klasse sealant and paste wax in different order, for example, most detailing guides says Klasse goes last, but it looks like the detailers on here prefer a coating of P21S on top of the Klasses. I would like to know what is being achieved with both methods and how do you achieve it (like how you are using the products and what pads are you using). Thanks.
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#2656022 - 05/20/08 07:08 PM
Re: Porter Cable 7424 Questions
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Anyone used a clay bar? If this has been discussed please let me know
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#3056540 - 09/26/08 03:39 PM
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#3094223 - 10/08/08 07:43 PM
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Excellent job.
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#3110217 - 10/14/08 01:49 AM
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Autopia is having a father's day sale on a 7424 kit. (20% off) Should I jump on this kit of go ahead and get the auto geek one? What ya think Matt? Thanks! The autogeek kit I purchased came w/more pads/cleaner/conditioner and was 199.
Promos like these is very important for me. I really want to buy something for my father after teaching me everything about cars.
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#4566332 - 03/04/10 06:44 PM
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#5565755 - 05/17/11 12:09 AM
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All my products were left in the garage and I just noticed that my poorboy's EX-P sealant chunked up It looks like it separated. I tried to shake it up, but it just ended up looking like cottage cheese. Can I still use it? It happened to the poorboy's ssr 1 also, but not the ssr2.5. Also, my PC has a 4in backing plate, but the pads that I'm using are 5.5 inch. Will that be okay, or am I fucking something up? Thanks in advance for any help!
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