#10626582 - 09/14/24 09:40 PM
How far is too far for an used car? **update** Got my van
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A2B-Lexus
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I've been looking for an used van and the ones in Ontario are $3-5K more for the same car. (same trim, similar kms, good carfax with full history of dealership service)
I got my Fiat 500 Abarth during the pandemic. He was in Montreal and I couldn't fly to see the car. I paid and got the original owner to go get a pre-purchased inspection and once it got a clean bill of health, we met in Kingston, did the paperwork and off I went. It was a private deal and I had no car to trade it so it was straight forward enough.
This time, I've got my Q3 I need to trade in and the vans I want are in Montreal. I envision going to Montreal with the Q3....them seeing it, making the deal than me driving back in a week to do the trade.
Have any of you guys done something similar or am I making my life more complicated for not a lot of gain?
Edited by A2B-Lexus (10/10/24 09:07 PM)
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#10626644 - 09/15/24 11:53 AM
Re: How far is too far for an used car?
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A2B-Lexus
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I am looking at a 2017+ Sienna SE.
In Toronto, it’s $33k. In Montreal, it’s 29k. I saw a 2017 in Hamilton and it sold in a day.
I am only buying from a dealer as they likely would keep the better condition ones with good service records vs random corner lot second hand dealers.
As for Quebec cars, i am picking ones with decent history and vans aren’t as shady as say a Civic Si.
I am not in a hurry but I just hate to pay $3-5k more for something that is 5 hours away.
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#10626727 - 09/15/24 04:45 PM
Re: How far is too far for an used car?
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1300cc_Rocket
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I know of someone that bought a 23 Odyssey from Montreal, they couldn’t figure out why they got such a good deal. Turns out it was a stolen recovery without an insurance claim and no carfax entry. Seemed ok but the roof was messed up and leaking rain water due to the shark fin having been ripped off. The theft situation is really bad in Montreal.
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#10626775 - 09/15/24 06:59 PM
Re: How far is too far for an used car?
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A2B-Lexus
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Wow. That is good to know. Crazy they don’t report that to CARFAX. Kinda really hard to see that.
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#10626785 - 09/15/24 07:37 PM
Re: How far is too far for an used car?
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That's why Quebec cars have a stigma, a lot of stuff goes unreported so you are rolling the dice. That is the opportunity as well, but you have to be very thorough with the car. Buying from a dealer maybe derisks it a bit, but not sure I'd trust it. Depends on the deal a few grand it's not worth it.
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#10626806 - 09/15/24 08:56 PM
Re: How far is too far for an used car?
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A2B-Lexus
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I will be patient and try for a local car. I just have to be more aggressive and literally take off from work and go make the deal.
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#10627613 - 09/18/24 05:24 AM
Re: How far is too far for an used car?
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SuPeR-MaRiO
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Eek 220k sounds like a lot of mileage even if the model is known for its reliability (regardless of the make).
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#10627721 - 09/18/24 10:00 AM
Re: How far is too far for an used car?
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A2B-Lexus
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There are a bunch of Siennas that have like 300k plus kms. Some with 700,000 lol.
I would not consider this kms for most other vehicles. These kinda seem to be mostly bullet proof.
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#10628672 - 09/20/24 09:41 AM
Re: How far is too far for an used car?
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1300cc_Rocket
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I thought one of the stigmas of QC cars was the added salt they use or some shit?
Eastern Ontario cars and Quebec cars are significantly worse for corrosion than Etobicoke, Mississauga, Oakville Burlington cars.
They are sort of similar to Barrie cars. Just that many more days of the year where salt needs to be used.
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#10628720 - 09/20/24 10:39 AM
Re: How far is too far for an used car?
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I thought one of the stigmas of QC cars was the added salt they use or some shit? Eastern Ontario cars and Quebec cars are significantly worse for corrosion than Etobicoke, Mississauga, Oakville Burlington cars. They are sort of similar to Barrie cars. Just that many more days of the year where salt needs to be used.
That's an interesting observation. The Barrie comment rings true now that I think about it, so many rust buckets there. Or maybe it's just the demographics and people generally driving older and more beat up cars?
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#10628978 - 09/20/24 09:55 PM
Re: How far is too far for an used car?
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A2B-Lexus
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I thought one of the stigmas of QC cars was the added salt they use or some shit? Eastern Ontario cars and Quebec cars are significantly worse for corrosion than Etobicoke, Mississauga, Oakville Burlington cars. They are sort of similar to Barrie cars. Just that many more days of the year where salt needs to be used. That's an interesting observation. The Barrie comment rings true now that I think about it, so many rust buckets there. Or maybe it's just the demographics and people generally driving older and more beat up cars?
It may be a combination of both.
Speaking of beat up....
https://www.autotrader.ca/a/toyota/sienn..._15_15&sprx=100
This one was $9k. I figure let me check it out. From the pictures, I was hopeful that they didn't want to refurb to sell because both bumpers were beat up and figure I'd be ok to take on that project. Boooooooooooooy....was I wrong.
ALL the power doors weren't working. One sliding door wasn't working at all. Trunk wasn't working. Traction control wouldn't come back on. The one side had a body damage which wasn't captured in pictures. The engine felt like it lost power to 1/2 the cylinders.
The sales guy was like, lets take it on the hwy. I just said, nah, I am good and we drove back to the dealership. 
Good cars do come up. I just need to jump off work and just go and make the deal.
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#10629049 - 09/21/24 03:07 PM
Re: How far is too far for an used car?
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I thought one of the stigmas of QC cars was the added salt they use or some shit? Eastern Ontario cars and Quebec cars are significantly worse for corrosion than Etobicoke, Mississauga, Oakville Burlington cars. They are sort of similar to Barrie cars. Just that many more days of the year where salt needs to be used. That's an interesting observation. The Barrie comment rings true now that I think about it, so many rust buckets there. Or maybe it's just the demographics and people generally driving older and more beat up cars? It may be a combination of both. Speaking of beat up.... https://www.autotrader.ca/a/toyota/sienn..._15_15&sprx=100This one was $9k. I figure let me check it out. From the pictures, I was hopeful that they didn't want to refurb to sell because both bumpers were beat up and figure I'd be ok to take on that project. Boooooooooooooy....was I wrong. ALL the power doors weren't working. One sliding door wasn't working at all. Trunk wasn't working. Traction control wouldn't come back on. The one side had a body damage which wasn't captured in pictures. The engine felt like it lost power to 1/2 the cylinders. The sales guy was like, lets take it on the hwy. I just said, nah, I am good and we drove back to the dealership. Good cars do come up. I just need to jump off work and just go and make the deal.
LOL $9k what were you expecting. Shit is ROUGH
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#10629121 - 09/21/24 09:58 PM
Re: How far is too far for an used car?
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I was hoping for good mechanical shape. Throw a couple grand to fix things up. That van was a parts car at best. The engine was toast.
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#10632544 - 10/03/24 08:07 PM
Re: How far is too far for an used car?
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A2B-Lexus
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Sooo....I tested another Sienna. It was on the auto trader without pictures but it was close so I went to see it before it was reconditioned.
It was in good mechanical shape but had a cracked bumper, chipped windshield, and a large scuff on the side. The biggest problem was that it had a smell in it. Long story short, I passed on it at that moment but told the car sales guy that once they clean it up to give me a call. The sales guy never got back to me and when i followed up, he said it sold.
The next new development was I sold my Q3 to my coworker for the top end of blue book + tax net to me (I had an Independant dealer give me that deal...vs a low ball one from another dealer)
Now I got some cash in my pocket and I don't have to worry getting low balled....there could be a little more urgency as I may not really want to drive my Fiat convertible in the winter.
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#10632877 - 10/04/24 08:21 PM
Re: How far is too far for an used car?
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A2B-Lexus
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That’s the plan. Been looking at the auto trader daily and the SEs seem to be selling like hot cakes
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#10632884 - 10/04/24 09:49 PM
Re: How far is too far for an used car?
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That’s the plan. Been looking at the auto trader daily and the SEs seem to be selling like hot cakes
These things are tanks and all the delivery services/contractors/Chinese Ubers LOVE them.
Don't think they like the current hybrid ones though since they are way too expensive lol
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#10634346 - 10/10/24 09:36 PM
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So....I ended up with a white 2019 Toyota Sienna SE with 76,000 kms for $36,500 out the door from a Toyota dealer...no CPO...just normal certified. One owner trade in from a soccer mom that got a new Sienna as I was told.
The car had a claim for $2,000 in bumper damage on the Carfax but overall very good shape.
It didn't have total service history but oil changes always on time at Jiffy Lube. LOL If northing else, at least I know it was running on fresh oil and it was an Ontario car.
The dealer put on 4 new Firestone tires and they put on 4 new brakes and rotors.
It was listed for $32,999 and was cheaper than Quebec cars. I would have been ok with buying it at that price but asked for a better price anyway since they all expect someone to haggle. The sales person started at $500 and I just asked him for $750 ish to round it off and close the deal. He went to chat with his boss and he didn't counter and we shacked our hands and the deal was done.
What I learned this time around vs. buying my Audi in 2019.
Dealers will sell cars with collision repairs. They used to sell those to wholesalers but now they just disclose it and sell it.
Gotta watch for flood cars. There was a private sale 2019 for $31,000 that had really strange rust at the rear latch. It also had a ripped driver seat and was also missing a lug nut. I clued in that it was likely a flood car as it had those "Thank you for your business" paper mats. If I was selling a car as a private sellers, I wouldn't spend $200 on a professional detailer before selling it. (I'd vacuum and wipe it down)...flood or not, it was priced low because it was rough.
Used car dealers sometimes post "finance price" which is like $2k cheaper than their cash price.
Now that Ontario discontinued the license plate renewals, some cars don't have km readings so its harder to tell if they rolled the kms back.
Dealers will price used cars based on comparables on the market. For the month or so that I have been looking, 2019s were out of reach as they were priced at $35kish for Quebec cars. The flood car came on the trader at $31,000 and this Toyota dealer priced it a little more than the rough car because it had less kms.
Glad I got this car. I would hate to have to drive the Fiat Abarth in the winter. Buying an used car is like looking for a girl friend....they are all blemished in some way, just got to find one that you can live with.
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#10634348 - 10/10/24 09:43 PM
Re: How far is too far for an used car?
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A2B-Lexus
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Next order of business. Need to try to get the vanity plate "ONLYVANS"
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#10634565 - 10/11/24 02:28 PM
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Nice buy, congrats. Unlike most people here, I am a fan of vans and if I was to buy one, this is the gen/model I'd be looking at. If you get this in AWD they can make for awesome overlanding vans 
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#10634640 - 10/11/24 10:02 PM
Re: How far is too far for an used car?
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A2B-Lexus
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nice man. i'd say in todays weird car market you did pretty good. lmk if you want to make it look like a new car in and out.
I feel I got a good deal considering Quebec cars are going for more.
Picking it up Weds. I wasn't looking too hard at the car as white hides scratches well. No rust or funny business was key.
Nice buy, congrats. Unlike most people here, I am a fan of vans and if I was to buy one, this is the gen/model I'd be looking at. If you get this in AWD they can make for awesome overlanding vans
Vans are cool to me. I used to drive an EP3. lol
There was one AWD SE but it was $47k....I can't justify spending that on a fridge on wheels
Nice! But plates are still renewed online. If you haven't done so you will get ticketed if some cop is bored. When you renew online it asks for ODO. So it's still reported based on honour system like before LOL
lol....oh damn. Need to check the plates of my other cars.
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