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#10137087 - 10/05/21 09:41 PM Winter tires
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Hey guys. Need to pick up some new winter tires and wanted to get your opinions on the following:

- General Altimax Arctic 12
- Hankook W419 iPike
- Continental WinterContact SI

I originally had the iPike W409 and really liked them but not sure how the replacement W419 will compare.

tia
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#10137135 - 10/06/21 04:37 AM Re: Winter tire [Re: civic13]
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I have the Generalís on both my cars and my dad has them on his.

Weíre happy with them. Theyíre essentially rebadged Gislaved Nordfrost 3s
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#10137158 - 10/06/21 07:22 AM Re: Winter tire [Re: 355-Si]
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Also check RFD for deals --- they almost always have "group buy" pricing .... (those 'group buy' prices may have slowly dissolved into 'normal' prices )
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#10137160 - 10/06/21 07:23 AM Re: Winter tire [Re: 355-Si]
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 Originally Posted By: 355-Si
I have the Generalís on both my cars and my dad has them on his.

Weíre happy with them. Theyíre essentially rebadged Gislaved Nordfrost 3s

Thanks.
What's your experience with hills and traction? My main interest is traction on hills/inclines and good stability when going around sweeping turns.

My current ones last winter I found the rear breaking loose a bit when going around sweeping turns and spinning tires when on small inclines. Be it they are 4 seasons old and I just measured the tread depth at 3 x 6/32 and 1 x 7/32.

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#10137188 - 10/06/21 08:24 AM Re: Winter tire [Re: civic13]
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Funny just got a quote from CEO tires last night. I have the iPikes as well and I just measured mine to be about 5mm in the centre tread, deeper on the sides. I didn't care much for the iPikes, found I slipped a lot but it is a RWD car. I'm leaning towards the Conti VikingContact, Blizzak or Mich X-ice.

With the Michelin's I'm confused to the difference of the X-ice Snow vs North vs xi3.

Also watched: Fitment Industries "Best Winter tire" https://youtu.be/Xa1IcdGG9jA


Here are some prices from CEO for a 215-55-17

215-55-17 Snows:

Centara 621 winter $520.00 tax in

Kapsen RW506 or Equivalent $540.00 tax in

Mirage MRW662 102H or Equivalent Winter $590.00 tax in

Kelly Winter Access 98T SL $670.00 tax in

Firestone Winterforce 2 94S $710.00 tax in

Nexen Winguard winspike wh62 98T $710.00 tax in

General Altimax Arctic 12 98T XL $740.00 tax in

Goodyear WinterCommand 98T Xl $730.00 tax in

Pirelli Winter Ice Zero FR 98H XL $780.00 tax in

Dunlop Winter MAXX 2 94T $780.00 tax in

Hankook W419 iPike 98T XL $750.00 tax in

Toyo Observe G3 Ice 98T $770.00 tax in

Nokian Nordman 7 98T XL $770.00 tax in

Continental VikingContact 7 98T XL $820.00 tax in

Yokohama IG53 94T $810.00 tax in

Toyo Observe GSi6 98H XL $840.00 tax in

Bridgestone Blizzak WS90 94H $890.00 tax in

Continental Icecontact Xtrm $880.00 tax in

cooper evolution winter $760.00 tax in

Michelin X-Ice Snow 97H $890.00 tax in

Michelin Cross Climate 2 94H $910.00 tax in

pirelli winer sottozero 3 $1,060.00 tax in

Nokian Hakkapeliitta R3 98R $1,050.00 tax in


All prices included mounting, road force balancing, installation and taxes.
Also get rebate from tire manufacture

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#10137202 - 10/06/21 08:41 AM Re: Winter tire [Re: Big Tasty]
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I checked Costco and they were quoting $249.99/tire for x-ice North and $199/tire for Blizzak
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#10137360 - 10/06/21 11:55 AM Re: Winter tire [Re: civic13]
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 Originally Posted By: civic13
Hey guys. Need to pick up some new winter tires and wanted to get your opinions on the following:

- General Altimax Arctic 12
- Hankook W419 iPike
- Continental WinterContact SI

I originally had the iPike W409 and really liked them but not sure how the replacement W419 will compare.

tia


had the generals for the work car for a few seasons until they were done. great winter tire.

on the ipike's now, got them during 2020 winter, so this is season 2. so far so good. only reason i switched was better rebate. i think i got a $100 visa card.

fyi i drive a lot for work. hwy, city, rural. no complaints on either.
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#10137445 - 10/06/21 01:19 PM Re: Winter tire [Re: Simon_the_Pieman]
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So I might be leaning towards Michelin X-Ice Snow (I know it wasnít on my list but from reading itís a pretty good tire with good wear performance). Simply Tire quoted $700+tax and Costco is advertising $720+tax. Which would you go for? Warranty I hear is pretty good at Costco.

The Hankook and Conti are being discontinued.

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#10137460 - 10/06/21 01:37 PM Re: Winter tire [Re: civic13]
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Costco has a road hazard warranty which may make it worthwhile. I thought they had an extra mounting fee of $20/tire though whereas it would be included with others.

What size tires are you looking at?

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#10137479 - 10/06/21 01:57 PM Re: Winter tire [Re: Big Tasty]
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 Originally Posted By: Big Tasty
Costco has a road hazard warranty which may make it worthwhile. I thought they had an extra mounting fee of $20/tire though whereas it would be included with others.

What size tires are you looking at?

215/60R16 and I just need them mounted on steelies as I install the tires myself.

I just read on the Costco website that tires purchased should be the same size as recommended by the manufacturer. I'm going down two sizes (have always ridden on 16s for winters) so would Costco "deny" my purchase/mounting?

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#10137678 - 10/06/21 06:18 PM Re: Winter tire [Re: civic13]
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Made the jump and went with the X-Ice from Advan Tire. $730 all in with a $70 rebate.
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#10137717 - 10/06/21 07:07 PM Re: Winter tire [Re: civic13]
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Nice, I saw that the x ice snow is the newer version to the x ice north. I think I will go for the x ice myself.
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#10137770 - 10/06/21 10:39 PM Re: Winter tire [Re: Big Tasty]
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I wasn't even considering Michelins since they were kinda pricey. But after watching reviews and the tech they use (worn tires still had grip compared to the competition) and Advan's price it was a no brainer.
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#10139158 - 10/09/21 06:59 PM Re: Winter tire [Re: civic13]
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Getting my Blizzaks from Simply Tire. They seem to be cheaper then the last set I bought. Did tire prices drop?
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#10139282 - 10/10/21 09:10 AM Re: Winter tire [Re: The Postman]
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conti and bridgestone are superb but cost you. michelin also amazing but cost you more! pirelli is overpriced for what you get. we run so many models thru our work fleets. ironically kumho has come a long way and actually have out performed our testing vs. some top tier brands, so no issues using them. i like yoko in that price point but apparently their winters not great. hakook not bad. then you have your hakka's and gislaved which are great too, but hard to find.

i find for winters...if you can afford to ball-out on nice brand/set then do it. but honestly for our T.O winters it's nothing like real Canadian winters...so even the cheapest set of winters will do you just fine! nexen or generals from wal-mart do the trick. firestone is usually the cheapest of all.
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#10139456 - 10/10/21 09:09 PM Re: Winter tire [Re: Screamin Type ARGH!]
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I've always swore on Michelin X-Ices ...

Was going home a few yrs back on a pretty steep small street (off Caledonia?) ... and holy fuck ... With FWD + TC, had to turn off TC, and turn the wheel left and right to get enough traction to slowly go up... (meanwhile, mid-prices SUVs with AWD were doing just fine (winters or not unsure)) ...

Tho bald X-Ices are no laughing matter, and the X-Ice 2's were the worst ... (I guess that's why they jumped to v3 pretty quick.)

 Originally Posted By: Screamin Type ARGH!
but honestly for our T.O winters it's nothing like real Canadian winters...so even the cheapest set of winters will do you just fine! nexen or generals from wal-mart do the trick. firestone is usually the cheapest of all.

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#10139483 - 10/10/21 10:53 PM Re: Winter tire [Re: Screamin Type ARGH!]
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 Originally Posted By: Screamin Type ARGH!



i find for winters...if you can afford to ball-out on nice brand/set then do it. but honestly for our T.O winters it's nothing like real Canadian winters...so even the cheapest set of winters will do you just fine! nexen or generals from wal-mart do the trick. firestone is usually the cheapest of all.



That has been my experience. Any winter tire will outperform all seasons.

Another thing is to watch for is the age of the tire. I find after 5 years, they don't perform as well (could be also due to tread depth.) I usually like to replace them after 5 years or so to be safe.

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#10139521 - 10/11/21 05:30 AM Re: Winter tire [Re: A2B-Lexus]
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I think the Michelin X Ices were the worst winter tires I've had, and I've had everything to from hakka/blizzak to cooper/general no name stuff.
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#10139800 - 10/11/21 12:26 PM Re: Winter tire [Re: Risky Business]
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Wifeís model 3 has X-ice3. Way better than the blizzaks she had before.
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#10140293 - 10/12/21 09:40 AM Re: Winter tire [Re: Hatorade]
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you guys put on winters yet? i think im going to give pull them out of the garage and wash + install soon

im on generals for the wagon - they are meh; but better than all seasons i think

blizzaks were great when i had them
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#10140849 - 10/12/21 09:26 PM Re: Winter tire [Re: f22b-dohc]
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After Halloween and before temps get to low double digits. Nuts get tight in the cold.
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#10143276 - 10/16/21 08:31 AM Re: Winter tire [Re: A2B-Lexus]
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Swapping out wheels for stock next weekend and then blizzaks go on Nov 1st
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#10143288 - 10/16/21 10:16 AM Re: Winter tire [Re: JEFFOS]
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Swapping out wheels for stock next weekend and then blizzaks go on Nov 1st


So you're swapping twice? Or I just can't read LOL
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#10145059 - 10/19/21 09:59 PM Re: Winter tire [Re: Hatorade]
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Winters installed. Pirelli Sottozero. They look like fucking all seasons I've got a set of Firestone Winterforce on the truck and they're great. They're no Nokian or Blizzak but for the price it's hard to complain. I dunno what I'm going to toss once the Pirellis go into the garbage.
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#10145366 - 10/20/21 01:14 PM Re: Winter tire [Re: Hatorade]
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 Originally Posted By: JEFFOS
Swapping out wheels for stock next weekend and then blizzaks go on Nov 1st


So you're swapping twice? Or I just can't read LOL


I have summer wheels (22s) and Iíll put back on the stock 20 inch wheels with the oem tires and then put on winter tires on those rims. It wasnít clear.
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#10145729 - 10/20/21 09:03 PM Re: Winter tire [Re: JEFFOS]
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what car has stock 20s?
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#10145788 - 10/21/21 05:42 AM Re: Winter tire [Re: JEFFOS]
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 Originally Posted By: JEFFOS
 Originally Posted By: Hatorade
 Originally Posted By: JEFFOS
Swapping out wheels for stock next weekend and then blizzaks go on Nov 1st


So you're swapping twice? Or I just can't read LOL


I have summer wheels (22s) and Iíll put back on the stock 20 inch wheels with the oem tires and then put on winter tires on those rims. It wasnít clear.


22? 20?

Gotta be a SUV. My guess, Audi QS5?
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#10146346 - 10/21/21 08:22 PM Re: Winter tire [Re: c2k]
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The new SQ5 is pretty sweet.
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#10146980 - 10/22/21 06:28 PM Re: Winter tire [Re: c2k]
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 Originally Posted By: JEFFOS
 Originally Posted By: Hatorade
 Originally Posted By: JEFFOS
Swapping out wheels for stock next weekend and then blizzaks go on Nov 1st


So you're swapping twice? Or I just can't read LOL


I have summer wheels (22s) and Iíll put back on the stock 20 inch wheels with the oem tires and then put on winter tires on those rims. It wasnít clear.



22? 20?

Gotta be a SUV. My guess, Audi QS5?


Rx350 F Sport
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#10147224 - 10/23/21 08:24 PM Re: Winter tire [Re: JEFFOS]
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Comfortable ride. What happened to the Infiniti? Or was that like 4 cars ago?
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#10147539 - 10/24/21 10:20 PM Re: Winter tire [Re: A2B-Lexus]
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Yeah pretty comfortable I like it as a daily driver overall. Just well rounded and practical. I had it since December last year. I plan to get another fun less practical car at some point so I wanted something that was really good as a daily.
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#10147806 - 10/25/21 12:24 PM Re: Winter tire [Re: A2B-Lexus]
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what car has stock 20s?

A lot of them nowdays, especially Honda

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#10152212 - 11/01/21 04:18 PM Re: Winter tire [Re: Risky Business]
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I think the Michelin X Ices were the worst winter tires I've had, and I've had everything to from hakka/blizzak to cooper/general no name stuff.


Agreed x-ice 1-3 were just not a very good tire in deep snow. They got better on ice as they evolved, but the tread pattern was just not a dig out of deep snow tread pattern.

This new X-ICE north has actually been available in Northern Europe for some time and is probably a lot better in snow than older X-ICE.

I have the General Artic 12s. I got them because they have a very firm sidewall (even in 65 series) and they perform well in most winter situations. I suspect studding them would make them very capable.


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#10152448 - 11/02/21 06:55 AM Re: Winter tire [Re: 1300cc_Rocket]
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I had X-Ice 1 thru to 3. 2 was absolute shit, and was only on the market... 2 years?

Currently on 3's on both cars ...

X-Ice North won't be available to us per se -- it's got studs...

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#10152454 - 11/02/21 07:28 AM Re: Winter tire [Re: furball]
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I ended up with Blizzak, they said the traction was better than the x-ice.
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