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#6114914 - 02/05/12 09:37 PM Mustang V6 vs Dart SRT4
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Uh yeah, this is a little preemptive but any wild guesses on which will be faster? Anybody think (like me) that the SRT4 will actually be MORE expensive than the Stang? \:\(

The Stang would possibly get an exhaust (damn the v6's sound good with one) and it would get ordered with the 3.31 rear end. Probably get the stripes/trunklid spoiler too.

The SRT4 would probably stay close to stock, maybe a little more boost.

These are the only two cars that really excite me as a replacement for my 03' Neon. I don't think anything else has a chance at high 13s for low/mid twenties.
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#6114924 - 02/05/12 09:46 PM Re: Mustang V6 vs Dart SRT4 [Re: ScottStaypuff]
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The Dart SRT-4 will not be low 20s. I'd expect high 20s, closer to 30.

It'll haul more people more comfortably than the Mustang and do everything else worse.
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#6114936 - 02/05/12 09:50 PM Re: Mustang V6 vs Dart SRT4 [Re: scootergeek]
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 Originally Posted By: scootergeek
The Dart SRT-4 will not be low 20s. I'd expect high 20s, closer to 30.

It'll haul more people more comfortably than the Mustang and do everything else worse.


That makes me sad that it would be that expensive, but I wouldn't be surprised.
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#6114965 - 02/05/12 10:06 PM Re: Mustang V6 vs Dart SRT4 [Re: ScottStaypuff]
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The R/T will probably be around $23k (I'm guessing).
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#6114966 - 02/05/12 10:06 PM Re: Mustang V6 vs Dart SRT4 [Re: ScottStaypuff]
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For that price you might as well get a Mustang GT.
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#6114994 - 02/05/12 10:18 PM Re: Mustang V6 vs Dart SRT4 [Re: scootergeek]
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 Originally Posted By: scootergeek
The R/T will probably be around $23k (I'm guessing).


The two options I'd want to add would put the Stang right at 23k with manual shift. I don't see the R/T even breaking into the 14s with an expected weight of what, 2800lbs? Seems to pale by comparison...
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#6115000 - 02/05/12 10:22 PM Re: Mustang V6 vs Dart SRT4 [Re: ScottStaypuff]
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 Originally Posted By: ScottStaypuff
 Originally Posted By: scootergeek
The R/T will probably be around $23k (I'm guessing).


The two options I'd want to add would put the Stang right at 23k with manual shift. I don't see the R/T even breaking into the 14s with an expected weight of what, 2800lbs? Seems to pale by comparison...


It'll be over 3k lbs. I saw the specs somewhere and was shocked.
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#6115020 - 02/05/12 10:33 PM Re: Mustang V6 vs Dart SRT4 [Re: scootergeek]
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 Originally Posted By: scootergeek
 Originally Posted By: ScottStaypuff
 Originally Posted By: scootergeek
The R/T will probably be around $23k (I'm guessing).


The two options I'd want to add would put the Stang right at 23k with manual shift. I don't see the R/T even breaking into the 14s with an expected weight of what, 2800lbs? Seems to pale by comparison...


It'll be over 3k lbs. I saw the specs somewhere and was shocked.


Well this was a quick debate. 23k buys a Neon, err, Dart that's no faster than the original Neon R/T for 10k more. 30k buys you a Neon, err, Dart that's probably as fast as the base Stang.

I just priced the Stang. $23,295 with manual shift, spoiler, stripes, and the 3.31 limited slip. That includes destination of $795 and an incentive of $500.

Oh if Ford would bring out a smaller rwd car with the Stang 6 as the top of the line engine it would be so full of win. I'd pay 23k for that... Maybe they could call it a "Maverick". ;\)
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#6115098 - 02/05/12 11:07 PM Re: Mustang V6 vs Dart SRT4 [Re: ScottStaypuff]
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WRX?
GTi with tune?
MS3?

But I'd just go GT Mustang anyways.

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#6115113 - 02/05/12 11:12 PM Re: Mustang V6 vs Dart SRT4 [Re: ScottStaypuff]
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Turns out, 3k lbs was being generous.

 Originally Posted By: Road&Track
Dodge said much attention was paid to keeping curb weight at a minimum (it ranges from 3173 to 3297 lb.)
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#6115126 - 02/05/12 11:20 PM Re: Mustang V6 vs Dart SRT4 [Re: scootergeek]
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Everything is 3k now. Seems odd for small cars.

I try not to be a weight nazi, because the feel group oddly like to trash that one spec instead of actually "feel", but I still pay attention. For me, size matters too. We don't need big compacts. Mid size is now full size (Accord, Sonata etc). LSD is now "apply brakes" instead of a real one. Sport package is now a wing and some wheels.

Either way, I think budget performance right now, you should think WRX. If a lightly used one is too much, perhaps a 2013 Genesis 2.0T or the new Veloster T.

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#6115161 - 02/05/12 11:32 PM Re: Mustang V6 vs Dart SRT4 [Re: Impulsive ]
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Everything is 3k now. Seems odd for small cars.


safety crap.

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I try not to be a weight nazi, because the feel group oddly like to trash that one spec instead of actually "feel", but I still pay attention. For me, size matters too. We don't need big compacts.


The new focus is hot, but fuck is it big (at least on the outside). I have friends with Fiestas and Fits, and they're about the same width and length as my old GTI, but tiny on the inside in comparison. Safety is the devil.
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#6115644 - 02/06/12 09:50 AM Re: Mustang V6 vs Dart SRT4 [Re: scootergeek]
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I'm not that worried about safety, because it seems like when manufacturers at least try, they can keep weight down. BMW, Subaru, Mazda at least seem to pay attention to it. Ford and GM don't for the mostpart. This is why a lot of their cars with decent specs seem to underperform (i.e. Regal, CTS) to their power numbers.

I know you don't care and would prefer a light shell, but I still like not being in a death trap. At the same time - I don't think I need a knee airbag on my compact car. I think it's due to a lot of these compacts being marketed as low cost family cars.

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#6115730 - 02/06/12 10:26 AM Re: Mustang V6 vs Dart SRT4 [Re: Impulsive ]
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new Si with bolt ons and reflash \:D
wrx is the easy answer here
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#6116629 - 02/06/12 04:37 PM Re: Mustang V6 vs Dart SRT4 [Re: Dank]
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new Si with bolt ons and reflash \:D
wrx is the easy answer here


I'd go 5 door GTI over either.
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#6117381 - 02/06/12 10:10 PM Re: Mustang V6 vs Dart SRT4 [Re: ScottStaypuff]
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 Originally Posted By: ScottStaypuff

The Stang would possibly get an exhaust (damn the v6's sound good with one


I am too afraid of what might come up if I search "V6 Mustang exhaust" to confirm this.
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#6117515 - 02/06/12 11:29 PM Re: Mustang V6 vs Dart SRT4 [Re: ScottStaypuff]
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I really doubt the new Dart SRT is going to be over 30k. I think they'd be killing the car's success.
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#6117521 - 02/06/12 11:33 PM Re: Mustang V6 vs Dart SRT4 [Re: progressi]
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 Originally Posted By: progressi
I really doubt the new Dart SRT is going to be over 30k. I think they'd be killing the car's success.


It's doomed if its priced higher than the Mustang V6 IMO. Unless the plan is very limited quantities.

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#6117527 - 02/06/12 11:38 PM Re: Mustang V6 vs Dart SRT4 [Re: ScottStaypuff]
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 Originally Posted By: ScottStaypuff
 Originally Posted By: progressi
I really doubt the new Dart SRT is going to be over 30k. I think they'd be killing the car's success.


It's doomed if its priced higher than the Mustang V6 IMO. Unless the plan is very limited quantities.

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Hahahah! Hey, I recall that article was taking liberties with the price. It wasn't quote by the mfgr. In fact, I remember they were saying the Focus STD or whatev is going to be 30k so this has to be as well. Doesn't sound like a solid number.

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#6119654 - 02/07/12 07:23 PM Re: Mustang V6 vs Dart SRT4 [Re: progressi]
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ePXgq6cmKI&feature=related

Here's an exhaust clip. There are a million of them...
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#6119702 - 02/07/12 07:43 PM Re: Mustang V6 vs Dart SRT4 [Re: progressi]
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 Originally Posted By: progressi
I really doubt the new Dart SRT is going to be over 30k. I think they'd be killing the car's success.


People still bought the caliber SRT-4. *shrugs*
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#6119758 - 02/07/12 08:14 PM Re: Mustang V6 vs Dart SRT4 [Re: neonmike22]
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 Originally Posted By: neonmike22
 Originally Posted By: progressi
I really doubt the new Dart SRT is going to be over 30k. I think they'd be killing the car's success.


People still bought the caliber SRT-4. *shrugs*


Not very many of them. As far as I can tell, it only lasted two model years. And didn't sell well then. I found an old review of the Caliber SRT-4 that said it was priced $5 from the Mazdaspeed3. Which now goes for $24k. If the Dart SRT-4 hits that mark, it'll be a winner even at 3200 lbs.
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#6119802 - 02/07/12 08:39 PM Re: Mustang V6 vs Dart SRT4 [Re: scootergeek]
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 Originally Posted By: scootergeek
 Originally Posted By: Impulsive
Everything is 3k now. Seems odd for small cars.


safety crap.

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I try not to be a weight nazi, because the feel group oddly like to trash that one spec instead of actually "feel", but I still pay attention. For me, size matters too. We don't need big compacts.


The new focus is hot, but fuck is it big (at least on the outside). I have friends with Fiestas and Fits, and they're about the same width and length as my old GTI, but tiny on the inside in comparison. Safety is the devil.



Food for thought since you are a weight nazi (and I am too, but for different reasons). My 2006 evo weighs 3420 lbs with me in it and my honda fit is nearly 1000lbs LESS. Guess which one has more "feel", feedback, and better handling.

I like the fit, turn in is nice for a compact car, but after that it keels over (and its not the suspension compressing). The car just can't hang on worth a shit after initial turn in. Mid corner it is push city and on exit you sit there swearing while you plow straight off the road. The width is narrow and the center of gravity is high, and it shows.
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#6119903 - 02/07/12 09:13 PM Re: Mustang V6 vs Dart SRT4 [Re: danl]
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It is true that low weight != feel, but it sure is a good start in many areas.

If you start with a low-weight platform, everything you change/add is only going to help even more. That's all.

edit: I just had a funny thought that kind of highlights the idea...

If there was a driving RPG where you had to pick your stats....

Nobody is going to be pumping the "weight" stat. I think that's all we're trying to say.


Edited by doshoru (02/07/12 09:18 PM)
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#6119919 - 02/07/12 09:18 PM Re: Mustang V6 vs Dart SRT4 [Re: danl]
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I know there's much more to feel than just weight. Still, all other things being equal, lighter is better.
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#6120079 - 02/07/12 10:16 PM Re: Mustang V6 vs Dart SRT4 [Re: ScottStaypuff]
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 Originally Posted By: ScottStaypuff
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ePXgq6cmKI&feature=related

Here's an exhaust clip. There are a million of them...


Sounds like a VQ with exhaust that everyone likes to shit on here.

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#6120116 - 02/07/12 10:23 PM Re: Mustang V6 vs Dart SRT4 [Re: scootergeek]
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Maybe the 2013 Genesis 2.0t will be a contender with the horsepower boost?

I should mention the Camaro too, but I bet its cramped and the interior isn't up to the Stang's quality.
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#6122324 - 02/08/12 05:00 PM Re: Mustang V6 vs Dart SRT4 [Re: scootergeek]
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 Originally Posted By: scootergeek
I know there's much more to feel than just weight. Still, all other things being equal, lighter is better.





I agree, all things being equal. Still for a max effort car I'd pick a C6 over say a miata for road racing. The weight penalty, to me, is worth it.
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#6122378 - 02/08/12 05:23 PM Re: Mustang V6 vs Dart SRT4 [Re: danl]
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Depends on the track and the weather, lol kart track in the rain. \:D

For the street, I wouldn't hesitate to own a slower car that I found more entertaining. I hated the BMW Cooper S because it didn't feel fun at license maintaining speeds, it was just too insulated from the experience. Weirdly, the MK V GTI felt better even though it was 400 lbs. heavier and handled worse (now that I'm used to driving my Mk II GTI, the Mk V feels like the entire steering column is made out of soft rubber).
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#6122876 - 02/08/12 08:52 PM Re: Mustang V6 vs Dart SRT4 [Re: scootergeek]
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 Originally Posted By: scootergeek
 Originally Posted By: neonmike22
 Originally Posted By: progressi
I really doubt the new Dart SRT is going to be over 30k. I think they'd be killing the car's success.


People still bought the caliber SRT-4. *shrugs*


Not very many of them. As far as I can tell, it only lasted two model years. And didn't sell well then. I found an old review of the Caliber SRT-4 that said it was priced $5 from the Mazdaspeed3. Which now goes for $24k. If the Dart SRT-4 hits that mark, it'll be a winner even at 3200 lbs.
Most I know who've purchased a C-SRT4 (okay...both of them), neither paid near sticker. As a matter of fact, neither breached 20 iirc...hence the purchase, lol. Like me...107xx out the door for a 2 year old, fully loaded except for 5 speed "4x4" compass with 33K miles. GREAT car for the price.
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#6123090 - 02/08/12 11:01 PM Re: Mustang V6 vs Dart SRT4 [Re: UglyValiant]
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I was one of very few people who got a deal on the Neon SRT-4. My salesman called me on Monday (after I bought the car on Friday) to let me know Chrysler had cancelled green sheet (employee discount) on the car. I got in just under the wire, and I bought the first non-pre-ordered black SRT-4 to hit St. Louis.
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#6127351 - 02/10/12 12:07 PM Re: Mustang V6 vs Dart SRT4 [Re: ScottStaypuff]
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 Originally Posted By: ScottStaypuff

These are the only two cars that really excite me as a replacement for my 03' Neon. I don't think anything else has a chance at high 13s for low/mid twenties.


Really? The MS3 and Focus ST will do low to mid 13's with 500-600 in mods. One guy on the Mazda boards was consistently hitting 12.9x with just an intake and DR's.

If I were looking for a car in that price range, I'd be seriously considering the FT-86 for at least a test drive.
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#6127431 - 02/10/12 12:28 PM Re: Mustang V6 vs Dart SRT4 [Re: Design]
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As a married parent, the FRS is the new small car I'd want while the Dart is the new small car I'd get (I still get Employee discount). I think the Abarth lost me when it crossed the 2500 lbs barrier - small and heavy are the wrong combination.
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#6127496 - 02/10/12 12:46 PM Re: Mustang V6 vs Dart SRT4 [Re: Design]
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 Originally Posted By: ScottStaypuff

These are the only two cars that really excite me as a replacement for my 03' Neon. I don't think anything else has a chance at high 13s for low/mid twenties.


Really? The MS3 and Focus ST will do low to mid 13's with 500-600 in mods. One guy on the Mazda boards was consistently hitting 12.9x with just an intake and DR's.

If I were looking for a car in that price range, I'd be seriously considering the FT-86 for at least a test drive.
FT86? 12s with boltons? Mind. Blown.

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#6127558 - 02/10/12 01:08 PM Re: Mustang V6 vs Dart SRT4 [Re: progressi]
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I should not use Toyota and Mazda/Ford in the same post.


FT-86 for fun factor alone.
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