#2536923 - 04/13/08 07:44 PM
TSB is out for 3rd Gear
|
#lodestar
Post Master Supreme
Registered: 06/05/06
Posts: 42768
Loc: Not in Kansas anymore
|
Transmission Grinds When Shifting Into 3rd Gear, Pops Out of 3rd Gear, or
Is Hard to Shift Into 3rd Gear
SYMPTOM
The 6-speed manual transmission grinds when shifting
into 3rd gear, pops out of 3rd gear, or is hard to shift
into 3rd gear.
NOTE: These symptoms can be intermittent and
sometimes more noticeable in colder climates.
PROBABLE CAUSE
The transmission has a faulty 3rd gear synchronizer or
3-4 shift sleeve.
CORRECTIVE ACTION
Replace the 3rd gear set.
VEHICLES AFFECTED
2003–07 Accord V6 with M/T: ALL
2008 Accord V6 with M/T 2-Door:
From VIN 1HGCS218.8A000001
thru 1HGCS218.8A003478
2006–07 Civic Si 2-Door: ALL
2008 Civic Si 2-Door:
From VIN 2HGFG215.8H700001
thru 2HGFG215.8H701973
2007 Civic Si 4-Door: ALL
2008 Civic Si 4-Door:
From VIN 2HGFA555.8H700001
thru 2HGFA555.8H702465
_________________________
 I take no joy in owning you people like this anymore. Now I just feel like I'm teaching a retarded class & doing God's work." -Napoleon complex things
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#2537344 - 04/13/08 10:37 PM
Re: TSB is out for 3rd Gear
[Re: rob76]
|
rob76
Resident Fanboy
Newbie
Registered: 04/09/08
Posts: 51
Loc: Victoria, BC
|
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#2539091 - 04/14/08 12:38 PM
Re: TSB is out for 3rd Gear
[Re: rob76]
|
scottyk20z3
Newbie
Registered: 07/05/07
Posts: 19
Loc: Raleigh, NC
|
Honda TSB # 08-020
_________________________
2007 Taffeta White Si Coupe
Full HFP Aero Kit
HFP Suspension
HFP Muffler
Returning Member (Formerly scottyb16a2)
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#2539353 - 04/14/08 01:47 PM
Re: TSB is out for 3rd Gear
[Re: scottyk20z3]
|
tobesi
Jr Poster
Registered: 07/23/07
Posts: 109
|
I got the pdf printed out ... I am planning to go to the dealership next month.
This however, concern me.
DIAGNOSIS
Drive a known-good vehicle under the same conditions
as the customer’s complaint, and compare the shift
quality. If the customer’s vehicle has noticeable shift
quality problems, replace the 3rd gear set.
NOTE: It is not uncommon for there to be some
resistance or notchiness when shifting into third gear.
Sometimes it just won't let me shift in the 3rd gear, but it will usually go in 2nd and 3rd attempts.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#2540081 - 04/14/08 05:00 PM
Re: TSB is out for 3rd Gear
[Re: mateuszekxxpl]
|
patsmears_07_SI
Poster
Registered: 01/10/07
Posts: 224
Loc: NW Burbs
|
i went to the dealer and they said they wont fix it until when they drive it they experience the same problem. they said its not a recall and they must notice the problem by themselves. i find that funny cuz on the sheet it says that happens intermediately and mostly when cold.... makes no sense.
Dude, After I figure out what they are going to do I'll let you know. I think it could possibly be with the syncros not stopping/lining up properly due to the colder weather and the characteristics of metal (expanding/shrinking/friction)??? Who knows but in warmer weather the syncro's seem to match up more often than in cold. I'm still wondering even with a replacement if we won't still have the same issues.....
Edited by patsmears_07_SI (04/14/08 05:02 PM)
_________________________
'07 SI Taffeta White coupe
AEM CAI, SS brake lines, Rota Torque (old bronze color) wrapped with Bridgestone Potenza REO1-R 245-front 225-rear, Stock Si rims painted black, 6000K HID's, 8th civic Chicago Crew sticker good for +20whp...
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#2540251 - 04/14/08 05:45 PM
Re: TSB is out for 3rd Gear
[Re: patsmears_07_SI]
|
tobesi
Jr Poster
Registered: 07/23/07
Posts: 109
|
a person from 8th got the 3rd gear fixed, and he said that it's still (Problem 1) notchy (that's totally fine) but it doesn't (problem 2)refuse to go into 3rd gear or (problem 3)pop out of gears anymore.
I think Honda should fix the last two issues for all cars for safty reasons.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#2540357 - 04/14/08 06:16 PM
Re: TSB is out for 3rd Gear
[Re: tobesi]
|
davecalgary
Jr Poster
Registered: 03/11/08
Posts: 81
|
I haven't had any trouble with my car's tranny. It is an 07 coupe but for some reason(probably cuz it's a canadian car) doesn't fall in the listed vin #s. Has anyone from canada experienced third gear issues?
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#2540516 - 04/14/08 06:59 PM
Re: TSB is out for 3rd Gear
[Re: davecalgary]
|
tobesi
Jr Poster
Registered: 07/23/07
Posts: 109
|
It says 2006-2007 Civic Si 2-Door: ALL. FYI, I didn't have the 3rd gears issue the first two months. The 2nd and 3rd issue i listed above happened a lot lately. (when the car is still cold)
I don't get why some dealerships are refusing to fix this, because, correct me if I am wrong, Honda is paying for it right?
Edited by tobesi (04/14/08 07:00 PM)
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#2540995 - 04/14/08 09:09 PM
Re: TSB is out for 3rd Gear
[Re: mateuszekxxpl]
|
allvuong
Newbie
Registered: 11/28/06
Posts: 49
Loc: ny
|
I have the 07 and occasionally, its notchy and all i have to do is make sure it goes a little further, which it does. It is not bothersome and i dont have any troubles with grinding or popping out.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#2541122 - 04/14/08 09:38 PM
Re: TSB is out for 3rd Gear
[Re: allvuong]
|
NighthawkSiSedan
Major Member
Registered: 02/21/07
Posts: 1454
Loc: Dhaka, Bangladesh
|
Mine, grinds and pops out alot when cold. It grinds some when its warm, but mostly just notchy and hits the "wall" when its warm. I think my service guy is pretty cool and will get it fixed. I took my short shifter out. Just let your car sit for a good 30 minutes at the dealership, let it get cold, then go to service and start complaining.
_________________________
07 FA5 . Nighthawk Black . Xenondepot 5000k HIDs . Sony Bt5000 . Alpine Mrp-m850 . (2) Infinity Kappa Perfect 12's . Comptech SS . Injen Cai . Ingalls ETD . Corsport Cable Bushings . Hondata Reflash . Hondata IMG . Strup RH . [url=www.norotas.com]  [/url] [url=www.norotas.com] [/url]
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#2541227 - 04/14/08 10:08 PM
Re: TSB is out for 3rd Gear
[Re: NighthawkSiSedan]
|
allvuong
Newbie
Registered: 11/28/06
Posts: 49
Loc: ny
|
Since i never experience grinding or popping, i may be worried that it would get worse. I dont know if the risk of making it worse is worth fixing the problem, and hte problem is that it is sometimes notchy and have to push it farther.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#2544473 - 04/15/08 06:37 PM
Re: TSB is out for 3rd Gear
[Re: allvuong]
|
davecalgary
Jr Poster
Registered: 03/11/08
Posts: 81
|
Dealers make a lot of money on warranty work, but they are expected to keep the # of hours to a certain amount based on sales volume, population density etc. If I were having a problem as serious as some of you guys say you are, I would phone ahead, ask to speak with the service MANAGER, not the shop foreman, and while speaking to him/her arange to meet with them and explain the problem. If you're persistent enough they'll ok the work just to have you leave them alone. Last time I did this I even got a free detailing
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#2547208 - 04/16/08 12:59 PM
Re: TSB is out for 3rd Gear
[Re: davecalgary]
|
OvErKiLL
Jr Poster
Registered: 03/15/06
Posts: 111
Loc: 6o4
|
i have a 06 si and i am from vancouver and i am experiencing the 3rd gear problem. notchy and poping out, with the occasional grinding after it pops out.
anyone from vancouver here don't get servicing frmo Happy honda in burnaby. their customer service there is SHIT.
the service guy out right told me that they won't do any recall work on my car if i don't do any service with them. they said they should be doing all the oil changes on my car. i told them that mr. lube is certified and a lot cheaper than them.
thats my 2cents.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#2547657 - 04/16/08 02:26 PM
Re: TSB is out for 3rd Gear
[Re: OvErKiLL]
|
tobesi
Jr Poster
Registered: 07/23/07
Posts: 109
|
Call Honda Canada and complain or go to Richmond Automall, do your recall work there.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#2548299 - 04/16/08 05:22 PM
Re: TSB is out for 3rd Gear
[Re: vollrathian]
|
tobesi
Jr Poster
Registered: 07/23/07
Posts: 109
|
where would you put your snowboarding gears; if you want to go snowboarding. 
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#2552229 - 04/17/08 05:25 PM
Re: TSB is out for 3rd Gear
[Re: patsmears_07_SI]
|
OvErKiLL
Jr Poster
Registered: 03/15/06
Posts: 111
Loc: 6o4
|
yeh i am def going to a different honda for servicing. the one at happy honda was like there isn't anything wrong with the SI tranny they are bullet proof. LOL he hasn't even driven one, wtf would he even know. i am thinking about taking mine to richmond honda.
is this fix available in canada does anyone know? or do we have to wait a month like usual for honda canada to catch up
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#2556183 - 04/18/08 05:52 PM
Re: TSB is out for 3rd Gear
[Re: patsmears_07_SI]
|
DBruceM2
Newbie
Registered: 08/27/07
Posts: 10
Loc: Cincy OH
|
It turns out that a senior tech took my car for the test drive on my last visit for an oil change / complaint about 3rd gear. He did experience the issue but at the time they told me it was a normal characteristic of the car since this was before the service bulletin. After the bulliten was released and I called they arranged the repairs. Currently I am sitting in Seattle and my car is sitting in a Chicagoland dealership being repaired tomorrow. I will have an update after I come home and drive it for some miles to see if this really has fixed the problem. They are replacing 3rd gear.
If you are experiencing the issue just keep taking it back to Honda and just try to be as polite and persistant as possible. Eventually something will happen. I started at 6000 miles and it took me until 24000, but hopefully it's worth it.
Any update for us since the fix? Better? Worse? No change?
I'm taking mine in on Monday for them to replicate. I'm just curious to know if the new synchros are helping.
_________________________
Currently Driving:
- 2007 RR Civic Si
- 2007 CR-V EX-L AWD
- 1982 Honda CM450C
Still wish I had:
- 2003 Mini Cooper S
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#2581479 - 04/26/08 12:32 AM
Re: TSB is out for 3rd Gear
[Re: patsmears_07_SI]
|
sasebonian
Newbie
Registered: 01/23/05
Posts: 1
Loc: San Diego, CA
|
Mine was fixed by the TSB. I love 3rd gear now. I am experiencing NO notchiness, NO wall/resistance, and NO grinds. I love my shifting again.
_________________________
2007 NHBP Civic Si Sedan w/Navi/ST
1992 Civic EX Sedan (Traded)
1993 Civic LX Sedan (Sold)
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#2599943 - 05/01/08 10:40 PM
Re: TSB is out for 3rd Gear
[Re: sasebonian]
|
civicstyle
Post Master Sr
Registered: 12/30/01
Posts: 4029
Loc: San Antonio
|
I havent noticed any grinding and mine hasnt popped out at all from 3rd gear. Have almost 10000 miles on it since January. Yea I love to drive alot around Texas...
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#2620471 - 05/08/08 11:40 AM
Re: TSB is out for 3rd Gear
[Re: #lodestar]
|
scottyk20z3
Newbie
Registered: 07/05/07
Posts: 19
Loc: Raleigh, NC
|
Not to add another 'I brought mine in today' reply, but I took mine in on Tuesday and just mentioned the 3rd gear issue since it's not that big of a hassle for me. I don't think they even drove it and they ordered the parts. Unfortunately they are on national backorder, but at least I know I am on the list.
_________________________
2007 Taffeta White Si Coupe
Full HFP Aero Kit
HFP Suspension
HFP Muffler
Returning Member (Formerly scottyb16a2)
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#2649487 - 05/18/08 07:10 PM
Re: TSB is out for 3rd Gear
[Re: patsmears_07_SI]
|
taino
Newbie
Registered: 05/07/07
Posts: 38
|
After they ordered my parts, the Honda dealership was able to fix the 3rd gear problem in one day. The car runs great! The dealership said that it was close to $3K worth of parts and labor. Regardless of what the cost was, I am pleased with the end result.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#2661914 - 05/22/08 12:59 PM
Re: TSB is out for 3rd Gear
[Re: taino]
|
BorinquenSi
Newbie
Registered: 06/07/03
Posts: 48
Loc: Savannah, Ga
|
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
Moderator: Design, A_Mantis, Professor Paki
|
|
