#5257683 - 12/20/10 11:56 PM
Formula 1 engine: inside
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#5257819 - 12/21/10 02:35 AM
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It's amazing how short the piston skirts are, but I guess at a tiny stroke that's all they need. I'm also surprised that more of the internal parts aren't coated like the tops of the pistons.
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#5258303 - 12/21/10 10:55 AM
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SvA CosworthF1 crate engine group buy?
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#5258323 - 12/21/10 11:05 AM
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Get ready to see about 6 pistons less than that in 2013
The FIA's World Motor Sport Council (WMSC) has approved new regulations which will see the 2.4 litre V8s currently used by Formula One teams replaced by four cylinder 1.6 litre engines from 2013. The decision to give the go-ahead to the changes follows lengthy discussions between the FIA, engine manufacturers and specialists.
The more environmentally-friendly units are expected to deliver a 35 percent reduction in fuel consumption, whilst providing the same level of performance enjoyed by today's F1 drivers. Energy recovery systems and additional energy management will be utilised to ensure this is possible.
“The WMSC approved the introduction of a new specification engine from 2013, underlining the FIA’s commitment to improving sustainability and addressing the needs of the automotive industry,” explained the FIA. “Following dialogue with the engine manufacturers and experts in this field, the power units will be four cylinders, 1.6 litre with high pressure gasoline injection up to 500 bar.”
Rev limits on the new engines will be reduced from the current 18,000 rpm to a maximum of 12,000 rpm.
An additional revision to the 2013 regulations will see a drop in the number of engines at drivers' disposal. Currently they can use eight units a season without penalty, but this will be limited to five in 2013 and reduced to four for subsequent seasons.
Good bye V8, hello civic engine. lol
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#5259509 - 12/21/10 06:50 PM
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I think i've gotten into this conversation w/ people in OT before. What I learned was that the valve spring functionality is pneumatic, not the valve actuation (lobes).
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#5259923 - 12/21/10 11:10 PM
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Spotch, in what way do you think the turbo engine would be more efficient? I'm not saying it's not, I'm just wondering if that is truly the case, and if so, why.
This is just a guess on my part, but logically, to me, the turbo engine will definitely be more efficient at the same power level in terms of fuel economy, ESPECIALLY while off-boost. However, in a racing application, the time spent off-boost is arguably insignificant. Of course, even when on-boost, you're going to have less parasitic loss, mass to rotate, etc. in a small, boosted engine vs a big 'honkin v8/10 and differences in cylinder pressure/fuel atomization/combustion efficiency, blah blah blah...I guess I'm just wondering to what extent will this change actually make a difference???
Yeah, basically what you said. Also, I agree that I don't really think it's going to make a huge gas mileage difference in the end, but who knows? I kinda feel like the 'efficiency' argument is a little weak, and there was some other reason we don't know about lol. I'm pleased with it though, I'm hoping that 1% of the turdblow technology that develops from this ends up in passenger cars.
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#5260054 - 12/22/10 01:35 AM
Re: Formula 1 engine: inside
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Get ready to see about 6 pistons less than that in 2013 The FIA's World Motor Sport Council (WMSC) has approved new regulations which will see the 2.4 litre V8s currently used by Formula One teams replaced by four cylinder 1.6 litre engines from 2013. The decision to give the go-ahead to the changes follows lengthy discussions between the FIA, engine manufacturers and specialists.
The more environmentally-friendly units are expected to deliver a 35 percent reduction in fuel consumption, whilst providing the same level of performance enjoyed by today's F1 drivers. Energy recovery systems and additional energy management will be utilised to ensure this is possible.
“The WMSC approved the introduction of a new specification engine from 2013, underlining the FIA’s commitment to improving sustainability and addressing the needs of the automotive industry,” explained the FIA. “Following dialogue with the engine manufacturers and experts in this field, the power units will be four cylinders, 1.6 litre with high pressure gasoline injection up to 500 bar.”
Rev limits on the new engines will be reduced from the current 18,000 rpm to a maximum of 12,000 rpm.
An additional revision to the 2013 regulations will see a drop in the number of engines at drivers' disposal. Currently they can use eight units a season without penalty, but this will be limited to five in 2013 and reduced to four for subsequent seasons. Good bye V8, hello civic engine. lol
Open wheel 4 cylinder cars?
Wait, we've got that series already lol Formula Ford.
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#5261051 - 12/22/10 01:08 PM
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Also I guess I was expecting a slightly more even burn on the top of the pistons. No doubt that the engineers know what the fuck they are doing and I am just a speculating. I wish we could see how the piston interacts with the bottom of the cylinder head.
I was just reading an article on this by a Very well known Head Porter in Circle Track/Drag Racing. He briefly touches on the reason why there isn't an even burn on top of the pistons and what the burn tells him as a head porter.
http://www.circletrack.com/techarticles/head_porting_tech_mike_chapman/index.html
I've learned a lot from looking at the combustion chamber carbon buildup after a race engine has been pulled apart, and so can you. Many combustion chambers in a typical gasoline fueled, wedge chamber, overhead valve, cam-in-block engine will show a clean area between the intake valve and the combustion chamber wall. Everyone, including me, used to think this was the fuel washing the chamber clean in that area. This is not the case at all.
In fact, there is no fuel in that area to burn. It's all piled up on the exhaust side of the chamber. Through real-time data acquisition testing, engineers have found the combustion flame front travels unevenly across the combustion chamber. This retards the combustion process and reduces the effectiveness of the combustion process pushing the piston down the bore. I agree with the engineers, because when we started changing the port shape to get a more even carbon coloration across the chamber face, what I refer to as improving the swirl into the bore, the engines ran better with less ignition timing and made more horsepower overall.
They actually don't look too bad, the first picture looks pretty good compared to the last picture of the used piston.
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#5261083 - 12/22/10 01:15 PM
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Euphoric would like to reply to this thread, but he printed out this picture and has been "busy" the last couple of days.
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#5261750 - 12/22/10 05:50 PM
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Just wait, they'll put a diesel in a F1 car in the near future
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#8978840 - 03/20/17 09:59 PM
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#8984507 - 03/26/17 08:35 PM
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#9089873 - 07/27/17 02:54 AM
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#9089892 - 07/27/17 02:57 AM
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