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#4662906 - 04/12/10 07:15 AM Spring is here! v.2
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In the tradition of Kyle and his apparent disdain for spring pastels



View on Black

Great Falls was an absolute clusterfuck this weekend. All the parks get like this the first few truly gorgeous weekends.

The observation deck I was going to shoot this from was packed with people. I finally got sick of all the jostling and whatnot, so in front of ~50 people or so I hopped the railing and headed for the edge. The reactions were hilarious. Girls pointed and laughed, old women yelled about following the rules, kids shrieked haha. I found myself a good flat rock right on the edge, as close to the center of the river as you can get without taking a dive. This was a two shot pano at 29mm with the Nikon 24-70, the original is ~6,200 pixels across. Broke out my B&W #110 ND 3.0 to get 3" at ISO100 and f/13 in broad daylight.

I had no intention of this being in black and white, but I couldn't get the contrast I wanted without the colors getting all kinds of unattractive. I used a kind of interesting technique here. I imagine it's been around forever, but I haven't heard of it anywhere else and I think it worked well. I created a Black and White adjustment layer, tweaked those sliders and set the blending mode to Soft Light (or maybe Hard Light, not sure). This gave me a decent start in the conversion. Then I created two different Levels adjustment layers. One I set the black threshold up to ~50 or so (black becomes 0-50, instead of just 0) and the other I set the white threshold to ~190 or so (white becomes 190-255, instead of just 255)

I masked out both at pure black and then just went through with the brush tool set around 10% to create lots of contrast. Made the darks darker and the lights lighter and got to do it very selectively. I even created a second, even darker adjustment layer for the water because it was so much lighter in the original.

Anyway, I don't do many black and white landscapes so let me know what you think. This is another example of layer masks being so crucial Scott
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#4662922 - 04/12/10 07:30 AM Re: Spring is here! v.2 [Re: 2000SiRacer]
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Excuse me, there were some pastels in that post, but my town is also an ex industrial shithole, and some of those pictures appealed to me \:\) don't hate.
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#4662933 - 04/12/10 07:37 AM Re: Spring is here! v.2 [Re: GB]
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You must've taken my post the wrong way. I like the pictures and prefer them to the typical "yay! springtime!" stuff. It's supposed to be a compliment
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#4663154 - 04/12/10 09:50 AM Re: Spring is here! v.2 [Re: 2000SiRacer]
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heh, when b/w, it looks totally wint'ry.

/looks up when we'll eventually get the lee big stopper
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#4663517 - 04/12/10 11:40 AM Re: Spring is here! v.2 [Re: jsmonet]
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Thanks~! lol i did misconstrue
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#4663578 - 04/12/10 11:51 AM Re: Spring is here! v.2 [Re: GB]
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I like it but I would really like to see color and more light in the lower left hand corner. On my work screen the LL corner is pretty much black.
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#4663819 - 04/12/10 01:00 PM Re: Spring is here! v.2 [Re: PA2KFBPSI]
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Eric,

I'd crop the sky down a bit, there's absolutely nothing going on up there and on my monitor, it looks like there's some weird posterization going on in that lower left hand corner.

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scott
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#4663880 - 04/12/10 01:14 PM Re: Spring is here! v.2 [Re: scootergeek]
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 Originally Posted By: scootergeek
Eric,

I'd crop the sky down a bit, there's absolutely nothing going on up there and on my monitor, it looks like there's some weird posterization going on in that lower left hand corner.

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scott


I think you have a point on the sky crop. I'll revisit that tonight and see what happens.

The lower left has detail, albeit pretty dark detail, on my calibrated monitor. The other two monitors I've seen it on don't show much of anything.
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#4663913 - 04/12/10 01:22 PM Re: Spring is here! v.2 [Re: 2000SiRacer]
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I see the detail, but it seems like there's a lack of real black in the shadows and cracks which makes the rock surfaces look muddy and - I don't have a better word - off.

Are you getting actual black in the cracks and shadows on your monitor? I sometimes think mine might be adjusted a hair bright.

cheers,
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#4663985 - 04/12/10 01:47 PM Re: Spring is here! v.2 [Re: scootergeek]
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I'll take a close look at home. My monitor at work isn't exactly the best judge of this sort of thing
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#4668070 - 04/13/10 07:27 PM Re: Spring is here! v.2 [Re: 2000SiRacer]
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I replaced the original on flickr so I'm afraid there's no before/after comparison.

Personally, I think it looks more focused with the sky cropped more tightly. Good call, Scott

EDIT: and I have a fair amount of detail in the lower left on my monitor...this is the same monitor that returned overexposed prints from MPIX a couple weeks ago, so if anything it's running a tad dark at the moment (at least compared to one well known print shop )


Edited by 2000SiRacer (04/13/10 07:53 PM)
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#4668142 - 04/13/10 08:07 PM Re: Spring is here! v.2 [Re: 2000SiRacer]
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I can see the lower left hand corner now. I am at home on a better monitor and a darker room. At work with a crappy monitor and a bright window at my back I could see anything beyond the tree shadows in the river.
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