#3534797 - 03/04/09 03:15 PM
Re: Euphoric
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whee!hop
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Well the FWD dsm (what danl drove: Dan Loncher), weights about 2700lbs. With the above hp output on a dyno dynamics dyno what do you think will happen from a roll with a FWD dsm? If you want to try and take a stock AWD dsm from a dig, good luck.
As for the driving *conditions*: Wat the fvck! Yea you race me at my weakest and your strongest. NOW it becomes a drivers race. Like I said this is a real joke.
Nevermind the fact I can go to home depot and build a manual boost controller for under $5. Wat happens now. . . . Wa, wa. You cheated?
I've helped build and driven a nicely setup d16 civic. With the same turbo, there's a car that can push past the T/E/L. But budget for budget you're still SOL. . . Swaps, boost, forged internals to handle what stock 4g63 rods can handle, even with mad tumble/swirl bitch flowin' honda heads, there's still more invested in the civic to MATCH what the dsm can do.
I'm happy I got to work with various honda motors. They are works of art: horsepower per litre and horsepower per psi. But art doesn't win races.
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#3535078 - 03/04/09 04:36 PM
Re: Euphoric
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whee!hop
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Nice to see you have nothing to contribute any more.
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#3535109 - 03/04/09 04:53 PM
Re: Euphoric
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whee!hop
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I know. You think that's funny read this :
yup, and its great! a stock 4g is no faster than a b16. and im not talking dsm bullshit stock. ya guy 16g, 3" , maf,255 pump, 22psi..but ya shes stock bro.
and I actually do like the 4g...
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#3535180 - 03/04/09 05:22 PM
Re: Euphoric
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whee!hop
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Come one euphoria! Don't let this die. You're so euphoria. Wat do you think about supras? Take off 2 cylinders so they can race you?
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#3535206 - 03/04/09 05:43 PM
Re: Euphoric
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A_Mantis
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Im actually on Euphoric's side on this. Stock 1G DSM vs stock 99-00 Si is a drivers race, whith my money being on the Si.
High-14's-low 15's stock DSM vs. High 15's-low 16's Stock Si does not a driver's race make. You have to rape the shit out of a B16 Si just to crack into the 15's. Also, due to the B16's narrow powerband and lack of torque, there is a lot more margin for error in getting a quick timeslip. Unless you get a nail a perfect high-rpm launch and bang perfect, fast shifts at redline to keep the car in VTEC...... its going to be a 16-second car.
Another buddy with a 2g with 12lbs 3" TBE would only get half a car on me by 180kph.
2g DSMs run 14.5psi from the factory. If he was only running 12lbs than he was probably slower than stock.
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#3535283 - 03/04/09 06:21 PM
Re: Euphoric
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Im actually on Euphoric's side on this. Stock 1G DSM vs stock 99-00 Si is a drivers race, whith my money being on the Si. High-14's-low 15's stock DSM vs. High 15's-low 16's Stock Si does not a driver's race make. You have to rape the shit out of a B16 Si just to crack into the 15's. Also, due to the B16's narrow powerband and lack of torque, there is a lot more margin for error in getting a quick timeslip. Unless you get a nail a perfect high-rpm launch and bang perfect, fast shifts at redline to keep the car in VTEC...... its going to be a 16-second car. Another buddy with a 2g with 12lbs 3" TBE would only get half a car on me by 180kph. 2g DSMs run 14.5psi from the factory. If he was only running 12lbs than he was probably slower than stock.
You sure about that? I thought it was 10lbs stock. I always heard that the T25 didn't work well at anything over 15psi 14.5 sounds high stock.
Anywho, my buddy had an aftermarket gague in that read 10kbs before the boost restrictor mod, then 12 after.
I wouldn't call a B16s power band narrow. Stock 1G dsms dont pull hard until after 4000rpm either.
Also i know on paper 2gs are suposed to be faster then 1gs stock for stock, but those things are the kings of puke and die after 5500 rpm. My buddies 2g on 12psi and turbo back was super torquey from 3000-5500 then flat on its face after that.
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#3535399 - 03/04/09 07:18 PM
Re: Euphoric
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You have to rape the shit out of a B16 Si just to crack into the 15's. Also, due to the B16's narrow powerband and lack of torque, there is a lot more margin for error in getting a quick timeslip. Unless you get a nail a perfect high-rpm launch and bang perfect, fast shifts at redline to keep the car in VTEC...... its going to be a 16-second car.
LOL i always loved this line of thinking... cause you dont hvae to rape the shit out of ANY car to get a good time? of course you fucking do. like you can just granny shift at 5k rpm and a z06 will be within 1 sec of its 1/4 time? i dont fucking thinking so. you think an easy launch and mediocre shifting in a stock dsm is gonna get it a 14 sec 1/4 ? not a fucking chance. even with a good launch and not raping it down the track itll be slower . any car you dont get right, or shift well is gonna have a shittier time than its capable doing.
durrrrrrrr
hp= torque * rpm / 5252 meaning you gotta rev any car to make hp. who doesnt try their best when racing? its a race....
2g's are slower than 1g's in my experience. and the gear ratios are right on t he b16. its not difficult at all to keep it in vtec. its not a celica gts. youd have to be a retard not to be able to keep in vtec
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#3535580 - 03/04/09 08:18 PM
Re: Euphoric
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Im actually on Euphoric's side on this. Stock 1G DSM vs stock 99-00 Si is a drivers race, whith my money being on the Si. High-14's-low 15's stock DSM vs. High 15's-low 16's Stock Si does not a driver's race make. You have to rape the shit out of a B16 Si just to crack into the 15's. Also, due to the B16's narrow powerband and lack of torque, there is a lot more margin for error in getting a quick timeslip. Unless you get a nail a perfect high-rpm launch and bang perfect, fast shifts at redline to keep the car in VTEC...... its going to be a 16-second car. Another buddy with a 2g with 12lbs 3" TBE would only get half a car on me by 180kph. 2g DSMs run 14.5psi from the factory. If he was only running 12lbs than he was probably slower than stock.
If you are at sea level, as long as you launch near vtec, don't fuck up any gears, redline it and shift like a man, you should run a high 15 in the b16 si. To me that doesn't consist of raping. Shit I ran that time in my first try. I have to agree with Euphoria on this one.
I think to close the case someone should pull the fastest time out of a first gen DSM ever recorded in a magazine. I know magazine racing doesn't work, but in this case it must. The fastest time recorded for the Si is 15.7. What has been the fastest recorded time for a first gen Talon/laser/Eclipse by a magazine?
But before we do that let's just take a moment and reflect: We are arguing about which fifteen second car is faster out of the factory? Is it worth it?
Edited by cliff st-clair (03/04/09 08:26 PM)
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#3535606 - 03/04/09 08:30 PM
Re: Euphoric
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I've had this argument with Euphoric before, but apparently because his brother owned a dsm at one point he knows more about them then those of us who have owned them for years.
My 2g was a consistant high 14 second car when stock. After taking out the bcs restrictor and other free mods it was a mid high 14 second car. Never seen a 14 second stock SIR before.
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#3535628 - 03/04/09 08:37 PM
Re: Euphoric
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But before we do that let's just take a moment and reflect: We are arguing about which fifteen second car is faster out of the factory? Is it worth it?
I'll bite. 14.4 at 95.5 mph in a FWD.
http://www.allpar.com/model/laser.html
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#3535650 - 03/04/09 08:44 PM
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I realize this doesn't fit the dsm scenario completely b/c they're not going to be making boost at this point, just saying in general....a b16 is the king of you have to rag the shit out of it to get anywhere near a decent time.
FWIW especially with the 2g's full boost is pretty much instantly on tap in first gear. The stock turbo doesn't lag at all, as long as your in the right gear.
Edited by Ryantsi2 (03/04/09 08:45 PM)
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#3535902 - 03/04/09 10:22 PM
Re: Euphoric
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#3536018 - 03/04/09 11:12 PM
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15.8@99 is kinda hard to swallow no doubt.
I'll buy it if people said it did 92-94 on average, but I don't know.
I don't know much about the 1g in stock form, I'm more used to the 2g.
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#3536397 - 03/05/09 06:57 AM
Re: Euphoric
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whee!hop
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But before we do that let's just take a moment and reflect: We are arguing about which fifteen second car is faster out of the factory? Is it worth it?
I'll bite. 14.4 at 95.5 mph in a FWD. http://www.allpar.com/model/laser.html
lasers are a diff breed since they are like stripper models imo. its like if you stuck a b16 into an eg hatch and sold that from acura or something from what ive seen they are always quicker than a talon or eclipse. i dont think about them much since most i see here are n/a. way more talons here.
Wow, the excuses never end. I guess those hand crank windows and base stereo system vs. power windows, hand crank lumbar, and the premium sound stereo equalizer makes a huge difference T/E/L curb weight
[/thread] This has been resolved. Bogging and driving it hard? 'It's easier to not drive it right'. This is so entertaining. Driving any 14-16second car is easy and after a few practice launches, anyone knows what to do. That's like saying "vettes are sloe 'cause the ownerz never lonch their ridez'.
This kid must have lost alot of races bad with dsms. So many excuses thought up for so long. When I get my ass handed to me by the boosted h22 stuffed into the civic, I don't bitch 'they don't come from the factory like that!'
Edited by whee!hop (03/05/09 08:24 AM)
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#3537617 - 03/05/09 01:57 PM
Re: Euphoric
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HOLY DOG BALLS! What the FUCK is going on here? I had to make sure I didn't get sucked into a black hole and end up in SvA circa 2001. Is this an Si v. DSM bench race thread w/ SiRKid at the helm?!
What. The. Mother. Fuck?
I spend my work days in OT these days. It's what SvA use to be, shitfest.
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#3540480 - 03/06/09 12:12 PM
Re: Euphoric
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I am Jack's VR6
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This is too funny not to post
ya man, i tuned my car and it ran for over a year daily driven and beat to shit ...means i know nothing. when doing some work on the car later my buddy unplugged my knock sensor and forgot to plug it back in...that was the problem. nothing to do with my ability. and i got a couple hairline cracks in one pistons ringland zomg destroyed. but ya me actually tuning and doing it on my own for the first time and have it run flawlessly means i dont know anything i had a 1.8L block....to replace the piston isnt much less work than swapping the blocks themselves , so thats what i did. I didnt have to but it was also 1.8L. so its great that you thought you knew what went down..... but you didnt. and yes it had everything to do with the knock sensor and not my ability. many good tuners out there have blown the shit out of engines.... so i dont know where you get the idea that a hurt motor means anything nevermind that it wasnt anything big. some hairline cracks is not carnage.blown the fuck up wouldve been cool, but again it wasnt even a result of something i did. i havent even touched the dsm yet. stock ecu, no safc. but it runs well . im gonna be logging it when the weather warms up and my cable arrives.
As usual, you are full of excuses.
Your shit tune did that damage because you relied on a knock sensor. Once the knock sensor was gone, your tuning ability really shined through. Bye-bye motor. Flawless. Did you even have a wideband? Did you even have a tool to monitor knock or anything else going on with the ECU?
I can't believe you destroyed your motor and blame it on your "buddy". Be a fucking man and take responsibility.
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#3540669 - 03/06/09 01:13 PM
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A tune that's only safe with a knock sensor plugged in is.
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#3540958 - 03/06/09 02:38 PM
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I am Jack's VR6
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are you mentally retarded? or are we going to have to hear more i hate the world pretend emo bs from the fag who wont even take his broken ass piece of shit down the 1/4, infact wont involve it in any timed event? DIAF
That's what I thought you butt-hurt little bitch. You made your engine go boom and you can't even man up and admit it.
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#3540971 - 03/06/09 02:43 PM
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whee!hop
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No he can't man up. He'd rather whine about why his si(gh) can give his dsm a drivers race.
SpcNA[ZX] , you are the only twat with a galant on here... Yea, I have a knock sensor too.
Edited by whee!hop (03/06/09 02:47 PM)
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