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#99165 - 06/29/05 01:35 AM misfire cylinder #2 UPDATE!!! my expensive hilarious story
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well, this is the third time i uninstalled my JRSC, but, now this time, ive put all the stock parts on and experienced a problem. i am getting some serious bogging acompanied by a cylinder misfire #2 code. heres the facts: 99 civic si b16a2.
new copper plugs gapped at .050. oem wires are 6 months old. cap, coil, rotor are about 8 months old. valve adjustment 8 months ago.
there are no vacuum leaks. i however, i am not sure if correctly rerouted the vac lines the way they are supposed to be. im pretty sure i did, but, i will find a diagram for it somewhere to compare and make sure. i also had to T into the brake booster line provide vac for the cruise control. map sensor vac line goes into the back of the mani.

MAP sensor has been "T"ed into a 3 bar map sensor junction plug. obd2 injectors have been "T"ed into OBD1 injector clips. I had to ghetto rig my IAT sensor connection because, i lost the original junction plug when i had the hondata on. does polarity matter with the IAT sensor wiring?

i plan on picking up a compression guage and timing gun from my buddies house tommorrow. i will also check plug colors tommorrow and swap em around to see any changes. i would have done all this tonight, but, im kinda exhausted from my non stop effort of changing out the clutch and putting my jrsc b16 back to stock. ill tackle this again tommorrow. i would appreciate any info or help until then.

what causes a misfire?


Edited by spidermancivic (07/25/05 02:01 AM)
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#99166 - 06/29/05 01:32 PM Re: misfire cylinder #2 after JRSC uninstall
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#2 spark plug visually looks like it hasnt even fired (looks brand spanking new). the plug is recieving spark. the gap is good. the recommended gap range for the usdm b16a2 is between .047 - .055.

rechecking over the injector wiring and soldering, it is very good and clean. im thinking its the injector itself.
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#99167 - 06/29/05 01:58 PM Re: misfire cylinder #2 after JRSC uninstall
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#2 spark plug visually looks like it hasnt even fired (looks brand spanking new). the plug is recieving spark. the gap is good. the recommended gap range for the usdm b16a2 is between .047 - .055.

rechecking over the injector wiring and soldering, it is very good and clean. im thinking its the injector itself.




Pull the rail out of the intake manifold and see if it sprays...

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#99168 - 06/29/05 02:31 PM Re: misfire cylinder #2 after JRSC uninstall
spidermancivic Offline
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the 9v test shows all injectors are clickin and kickin. gonna try the rail method in a bit after i check out more wiring.
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#99169 - 06/29/05 03:11 PM Re: misfire cylinder #2 after JRSC uninstall
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Just b/c it's getting power doesn't mean its functining, could be clogged or something...

Check for proper spray.

Double check plug wires to the dizzy and back to the plugs.

Make sure they are in proper order.

Check the gaps....

I can't recall off my head, but I don't think I gapped my plugs that much, even @ stock....I could be wrong on that though..

Check the timing on the dizzy, and static on the belts and cams as compared to TDC on cyl #1 in relation to crank position.

I believe stock is what....16degrees??

Double check that also...

Also, have a buddy there double your work, sometimes when looking @ the same problem over and over, the small things tend to escape you...

& of course, Good luck....

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#99170 - 06/29/05 07:11 PM Re: misfire cylinder #2 after JRSC uninstall
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i first rewired the injectors, now i know for sure there is a solid connection. still was doing the same thing.
now i swapped the (a) #2 injector into #4 cylinder(b) and #4 injector into the #2 cylinder. basically i swapped 2 and 4 around. now that#2 injector that is in #4 cylinder is flooded with fuel.

im assuming i need to find a good set of working obd2 injectors. now, how the hell do i get the fuel out?
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#99171 - 06/29/05 11:51 PM Re: misfire cylinder #2 after JRSC uninstall
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i first rewired the injectors, now i know for sure there is a solid connection. still was doing the same thing.
now i swapped the (a) #2 injector into #4 cylinder(b) and #4 injector into the #2 cylinder. basically i swapped 2 and 4 around. now that#2 injector that is in #4 cylinder is flooded with fuel.

im assuming i need to find a good set of working obd2 injectors. now, how the hell do i get the fuel out?





I have a set of 4 to sell, came off my 99 Si.....

hmmmm...

I'll make ya a great deal......

Anyway, pull your fuel pump fuse and turn the engine over...

I don't know what else to tell ya.....

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#99172 - 07/08/05 10:56 PM Re: misfire cylinder #2 after JRSC uninstall
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swapped out all injectors with known good ones. #4 cylinder is flooding. all injector wires resoldered single. tps and map tested out good. i am really lost and pissed.
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#99173 - 07/08/05 11:08 PM Re: misfire cylinder #2 after JRSC uninstall
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When taking out the SC, did you disconnect the battery? Some peps forget to do this, and cross a wire somewere or ground something out and fuck the ECU up. Also, try swapping someone ECU's see if it cures the issue. Sound to me you have a short somewere. try doing a wire trace on all your injector wires, just to make sure nothing got crushed or nicked. Hope this helps
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#99174 - 07/09/05 01:15 AM Re: misfire cylinder #2 after JRSC uninstall
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battery is always disconnected when i work on the car. gonna recheck all wiring anyways tommorrow morning from the ecu all the way back to the injectors. compression check and possible leakdown if i can get my hands on a compressor tommorrow.
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#99175 - 07/09/05 03:13 PM Re: misfire cylinder #2 after JRSC uninstall
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battery is always disconnected when i work on the car. gonna recheck all wiring anyways tommorrow morning from the ecu all the way back to the injectors. compression check and possible leakdown if i can get my hands on a compressor tommorrow.




IF you are flooding the engine with fuel from the injector, you have an issue.

Stuck injector.
Improper wiring and or damaged wires.
Bad Ecu.

Only thing I can think of.....

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#99176 - 07/14/05 04:09 PM Re: misfire cylinder #2 after JRSC uninstall
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the car engine wouldnt fire up and cylinder #4 kept flooding with fuel, along with misfires in cylinder 2 and 1, so, i did the compression test on a cold engine. engine is a b16a2 after jrsc removal.
cylinder 1 - 99psi
cylinder 2 - 77psi
cylinder 3 - 15psi
cylinder 4 - 101psi

the results with oil poured in the cylinders

cylinder 1 - 180psi
cylinder 2 - 120 psi
cylinder 3 - 74psi
cylinder 4 - 156psi

i cant wait to rip the head of the block. i am suspecting really bad ringlands and maybe a few bent valves.................but, i wont know for sure until i rip it out.

can anyone explain the extremly low compression on cylinder #3? at least now i have a new block on the side to build up. now i just need a new block to get me going from point a to point b in the mean time
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#99177 - 07/14/05 05:47 PM Re: misfire cylinder #2 after JRSC uninstall
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i am suspecting really bad ringlands






Ya think?

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#99178 - 07/14/05 06:08 PM Re: misfire cylinder #2 after JRSC uninstall
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When I bent some valves on my B16 it was throwin the same codes, I had misfires on cylinder 2, and 3. Engine idled ruff, but seemed to run fine. Smelt like it was running rich.
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#99179 - 07/14/05 06:08 PM Re: misfire cylinder #2 after JRSC uninstall
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Wow...those are some low numbers
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#99180 - 07/25/05 01:53 AM Re: misfire cylinder #2 after JRSC uninstall
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funniest shit ever. i finally bought a new usdm b16a2 swap. while doing the swap to replace the old b16a2, i noticed that the fuel line to the fpr and a vac line were switched around. a vac line in the rear of the intake mani wasnt hooked up. so before swapping in the new block, i switched the wrong lines around and plugged the open vac line up. guess what........................the engine fired up god damn vac lines.

new compression test with the lines properly switched around and the engine at normal operating temps show 175psi across the board all codes are gone. except for that damn catalyst effeciency code cause of my gutted cat.

well, now i have a new complete 99-00 si swap with 70,000 miles sitting in my garage


Edited by spidermancivic (07/25/05 01:56 AM)
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#99181 - 07/25/05 08:20 AM Re: misfire cylinder #2 after JRSC uninstall
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funniest shit ever. i finally bought a new usdm b16a2 swap. while doing the swap to replace the old b16a2, i noticed that the fuel line to the fpr and a vac line were switched around. a vac line in the rear of the intake mani wasnt hooked up. so before swapping in the new block, i switched the wrong lines around and plugged the open vac line up. guess what........................the engine fired up god damn vac lines.

new compression test with the lines properly switched around and the engine at normal operating temps show 175psi across the board all codes are gone. except for that damn catalyst effeciency code cause of my gutted cat.

well, now i have a new complete 99-00 si swap with 70,000 miles sitting in my garage





Nice death...

Sell the swap, learn from your mistake...

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#99182 - 07/25/05 02:05 PM Re: misfire cylinder #2 UPDATE!!! my expensive hilarious story
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Expensive indeed. Oh well, you live and you learn.
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#99183 - 07/25/05 03:18 PM Re: misfire cylinder #2 after JRSC uninstall
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Funny, now sell the swap and jrsc and go turbo. Or build the new block
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#9235931 - 01/21/18 09:03 PM Re: misfire cylinder #2 after JRSC uninstall [Re: ]
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