#9840434 - 06/20/20 02:04 PM
Re: 20 yr killing mom and 3 kids ...
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Wasn't even aware this happened. Brings tears...I can't imagine what it's like to be a first responder to that scene, that is very heavy.
Was he drunk? This is a rinse/repeat of Marco Muzzo...who is doing I believe 10 years?
Super sad, kudos to the guy that actually tried to do something before the crash.
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#9840768 - 06/21/20 02:30 PM
Re: 20 yr killing mom and 3 kids ...
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1300cc_Rocket
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This doesn't seem to be exactly the same as the Marco Muzzo story. This 20yr old was not a silver spoon baby and had a troubled past. He's not from here, he's from B.C. People from his hometown have chimed in saying they are not surprised at all he was responsible for this. He had a history of abusing RX and over the counter drugs and a history of evading requests to pull over, and a prohibited licence probably for these reasons. I'm sure we'll hear more as the evidence is gathered but it sounds like he had no regard for the law, and it was only a matter of time till something like this happened. The victims were just in the wrong place at the wrong time and even a tank of an SUV couldn't save them.
My sister and I went to high school and lived near the father/husband of the victims, and the accident happened in my old stomping grounds, so this hits close to home even though I'm no longer living anywhere near Brampton. Haven't seen the guy in many years but he was a nice guy, occasionally dropping my sister and I off at home after school. This is my second year as a father this weekend, but I can't bring myself to enjoy it knowing this poor guy is curled up in the fetal position somewhere wondering where he could possibly go from here.
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#9840835 - 06/21/20 07:41 PM
Re: 20 yr killing mom and 3 kids ...
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Screamin Type ARGH!
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#9840985 - 06/22/20 05:00 AM
Re: 20 yr killing mom and 3 kids ...
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Kid was going 140 according to media. He hit the weakest point in a car and if that wasn’t bad enough there was still enough forward momentum to knock down the pole. Fuck there was a lot of force in that impact, I’m not sure if there’s any car out there that would have done better protecting the occupants.
Also that video of the samaritan was taken 2 days before the accident happened...
wtf? So incident on dashcam is recorded, I am assuming people had his plates and this guy was still driving 2 days later? Did the cops pay him a visit in those 48 hours?
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#9840989 - 06/22/20 05:45 AM
Re: 20 yr killing mom and 3 kids ...
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1300cc_Rocket
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There was one plate on the Infiniti and it was not registered to the vehicle and maybe not even the driver. We don't know if it was a stolen plate or one from a friend or family member's car. Just before the crash there were people in North Brampton tweeting about a helicopter circling north Brampton. It's possible they were looking for the car. It would have been easy to spot with that black decklid spoiler. My question is why wouldn't they put out one of those alerts to find this loser before he was able to commit this. Someone would have known where the guy kept it unless it was in a garage for those two days..
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#9841086 - 06/22/20 09:25 AM
Re: 20 yr killing mom and 3 kids ...
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Just remove him from the genepool.
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#9841220 - 06/22/20 11:41 AM
Re: 20 yr killing mom and 3 kids ...
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Kid was going 140 according to media. He hit the weakest point in a car and if that wasn’t bad enough there was still enough forward momentum to knock down the pole. Fuck there was a lot of force in that impact, I’m not sure if there’s any car out there that would have done better protecting the occupants.
Also that video of the samaritan was taken 2 days before the accident happened... wtf? So incident on dashcam is recorded, I am assuming people had his plates and this guy was still driving 2 days later? Did the cops pay him a visit in those 48 hours?
Yup totally fucked up man. Apparently OPP was on scene afterwards and the samaritans give them the license plate (maybe plates were already swapped?). Either way I wonder if Peel police were on the look out for his car after? The situation is beyond fucked up. I can’t even begin to comprehend what the poor husband is going through.
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#9841501 - 06/22/20 05:13 PM
Re: 20 yr killing mom and 3 kids ...
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Just remove him from the genepool.
+1 sorry sounds like he's had enough chances.
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#9841537 - 06/22/20 05:46 PM
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dude needs his neck broken so he can't drive for life - death is too good for him
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#9841625 - 06/22/20 09:06 PM
Re: 20 yr killing mom and 3 kids ...
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Absolutely nothing brings the family back together on earth. I don't know if a life sentence or death sentence would change anything for me if I were the father, the wound heals no quicker. I'll wager that this 20yr old kids life was "over" before it even began, bet that he came from a crappy family situation, I really don't think kids are born with a sense of entitlement or evil intentions.
Removing the person from society until they are proven to be reformed and remove their ability to procreate because you never know if the stressors of having a child will be tolerated by someone who has a history of dangerous coping strategies.
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#9841851 - 06/23/20 09:21 AM
Re: 20 yr killing mom and 3 kids ...
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Absolutely nothing brings the family back together on earth. I don't know if a life sentence or death sentence would change anything for me if I were the father, the wound heals no quicker. I'll wager that this 20yr old kids life was "over" before it even began, bet that he came from a crappy family situation, I really don't think kids are born with a sense of entitlement or evil intentions.
While unpopular I agree with this, the kid that caused this is the result of shitty parenting over 20 years. Killing him/stoning him/life sentence changes nothing imo.
I don't have anything to add, just hope the father finds a way to cope and live with this, because I have no idea how that's possible.
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#9841873 - 06/23/20 09:55 AM
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Absolutely nothing brings the family back together on earth. I don't know if a life sentence or death sentence would change anything for me if I were the father, the wound heals no quicker. I'll wager that this 20yr old kids life was "over" before it even began, bet that he came from a crappy family situation, I really don't think kids are born with a sense of entitlement or evil intentions. While unpopular I agree with this, the kid that caused this is the result of shitty parenting over 20 years. Killing him/stoning him/life sentence changes nothing imo. I don't have anything to add, just hope the father finds a way to cope and live with this, because I have no idea how that's possible.
Maybe in a perfect world.
There has been cases where the child had a great childhood, upbringing and still wound up to be criminals and murderers. I am not defending what he did was wrong, there may be other underlining circumstances that we may not know about.
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#9844566 - 06/25/20 09:02 PM
Re: 20 yr killing mom and 3 kids ...
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The kid is beyond help. Sorry he had a shitty upbringing but there has to be consequence for his actions. Life in prison not to teach him a lesson but he is a danger to sociality and there is no point in giving him the freedom to repeat.
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#9844800 - 06/26/20 09:17 AM
Re: 20 yr killing mom and 3 kids ...
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He definitely needs to be punished/held responsible, but the punishment will never match the crime. At best I wish there was a way to help these people so they come out into society as contributors and not takers. Since the prison system doesn't work like that I don't see the use of keeping them alive on the taxpayers dime.
We need phoenixrage to come in and tell us how he would deal with him.
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