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#9320678 - 05/12/18 04:22 PM Anyone know how to tell if key has lost immobilizer code?
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So my Mini has been parked since April 2017. Last time I started it it was May or June of 2017. I went to go start it in Dec to move it to storage and it wouldn't start.

Any suggestions how to diagnose this? I really don't want to tow it do the dealer for a diagnostic without at least trying to troubleshoot it for myself.

Back story:
- Parked car in storage Oct 2016 all was well.
- Took car out of storage April 2017
- Immediately after 2017 removal car would intermittently shift hard. As if there was no hydraulic assistance.
- Me working full time (and doing 230kms a day to go to work) + studying for CPA = zero time for a pleasure car so it just sat.
- June 2017 I had some spare time and changed the slave cylinder. Same problem so fuck the shit of it. Insurance cancelled, cover put on, batter tender connected, done with it for this year.
- Dec 2017 I go to move it back to storage.....doesn't start. FML I just leave it covered.

I am done w/cpa for the most part, as well as no longer travel 230k to work as I am now working DT. Which means more free time so I want to put the car back on the road asap.
-> I haven't tried to start it yet but looking for ideas as to why it wouldn't start.
Symptoms: everything powers up, I can hear the fuel pump, turn the key and zero happens. Doesn't even try to turn over. No noise, so sound, just nothing.

I don't have much experience with "BMW" type of electronics and I am hoping some of you veteran BMW drivers have some idea of what it could be. I'm thinking it could be the neutral safety switch that's toast or perhaps the key lost the code/programming. How do I check the programming on the key?

One problem at a time, I want to get this thing started before I even think about spending time/money on the clutch. Any insights would be of great help!

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#9320744 - 05/12/18 10:08 PM Re: Anyone know how to tell if key has lost immobilizer code? [Re: Raocorp]
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If it were the key i would have thought nothing would work ie no power, no fuel pump etc

If you want to check the programming on the key, check this guy. He's really good. Located in Scarborough. http://www.ensunlocks.com

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#9320768 - 05/13/18 01:33 AM Re: Anyone know how to tell if key has lost immobilizer code? [Re: SuPeR-MaRiO]
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Tried starting again today and still nothing. I did notice that a) the windows don't go down a crack when the door is opened & b) when the key is in the ignition the car chimes like normal. The doors lock/unlock fine too.
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#9320774 - 05/13/18 06:15 AM Re: Anyone know how to tell if key has lost immobilizer code? [Re: Raocorp]
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Battery probably. Try boosting it.
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#9320809 - 05/13/18 10:26 AM Re: Anyone know how to tell if key has lost immobilizer code? [Re: Senor Eduardo_82]
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Battery probably. Try boosting it.


^this.

it'll need to be driven a good distance too in order to hold a charge else it'll just die again after you park it. if batt can't hold then time for new batt.

if there is any immobi issue you'll have to go to a dealer to get it reprogrammed to the VIN.
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#9321380 - 05/14/18 02:32 PM Re: Anyone know how to tell if key has lost immobilizer code? [Re: SuPeR-MaRiO]
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 Originally Posted By: SuPeR-MaRiO
If it were the key i would have thought nothing would work ie no power, no fuel pump etc

If you want to check the programming on the key, check this guy. He's really good. Located in Scarborough. http://www.ensunlocks.com


bah woman dropped her key at night and it broke apart and the inside buttons and chip went flying so we couldn't find it. thought this guy might be cheaper but was same price as honda w/parts discount ($160).
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#9321432 - 05/14/18 03:55 PM Re: Anyone know how to tell if key has lost immobilizer code? [Re: titty sprinkles]
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I've never heard of any mini/bmw losing its sync with the key. Unless battery is dead in the key and its a non-removable battery type fob. But reading about your other issues, could also be main battery.

Edited by phoenixrage (05/14/18 03:56 PM)
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#9321570 - 05/14/18 07:34 PM Re: Anyone know how to tell if key has lost immobilizer code? [Re: phoenixrage]
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The key is defi a non-removable battery. I only have one key. They key fob will lock and unlock the doors fine, as I said, it will also make the car chime if I place the fob next to the barrel.

If the main battery is dead, wouldn't I get some kind of click sound when trying to start? I gave the battery a charge, and I had it on a trickle charger all winter so I don't see why its dead. Its not the original battery but it is the same battery that came with the car when I bought it so I have no idea how old it is.

Can batteries be returned lol? If I buy one, put it in and its the same shit I don't want to keep it for nothing. Walmart/Costco maybe??

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#9321656 - 05/14/18 09:22 PM Re: Anyone know how to tell if key has lost immobilizer code? [Re: Raocorp]
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What kind of trickle charger were you using? A smart one or a dumb one that just keeps charging? If it was a dumb one, you’re battery is probably toast from being dried up by the constant charging.
This isn’t a ‘99 civic you’re dealing with. If not enough juice the computer won’t activate high load items.
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#9322397 - 05/16/18 06:44 AM Re: Anyone know how to tell if key has lost immobilizer code? [Re: Hatorade]
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It's a motomaster from Canadian Tire. It is an intelligent trickle charger though. It senses when the battery is full and stops charging. All winter it showed the battery as fully charged. It could be defective though. First year it worked fine. I'm going to test the starter and see if it's getting power this weekend.
Pulling the starter out is a fairly big job.

It does seem to be a power issue the more I think of it. Anybody know what would happen if the immobilizer was fubared? Would it at least crank over?

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#9322405 - 05/16/18 07:11 AM Re: Anyone know how to tell if key has lost immobilizer code? [Re: Raocorp]
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Did you at least boost the car from your DD??
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#9322437 - 05/16/18 08:06 AM Re: Anyone know how to tell if key has lost immobilizer code? [Re: c2k]
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If the key lost programming the car won’t even turn on the accessories. Try boosting the car first.
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#9322443 - 05/16/18 08:13 AM Re: Anyone know how to tell if key has lost immobilizer code? [Re: Hatorade]
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Also here to say try boosting... we had MINIs die in the showroom all the time.. wouldn't turn over at all, but all electronics would still come on... window wouldn't drop when the door was opened.

Sounds like your situation.
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#9322728 - 05/16/18 12:19 PM Re: Anyone know how to tell if key has lost immobilizer code? [Re: markw]
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You just need a boost man. No wall charger, actual booster cables.
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#9323266 - 05/17/18 06:18 AM Re: Anyone know how to tell if key has lost immobilizer code? [Re: Wildout]
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I've hooked the car up to a full blown battery charger and charged the battery for 15-20mins and tried starting, same thing. I didn't try starting the car with the battery charger still connected but I'll try that next.
Unless the battery is so toast it won't hold much of a charge at all.

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#9323284 - 05/17/18 07:24 AM Re: Anyone know how to tell if key has lost immobilizer code? [Re: Raocorp]
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Try a boost.
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#9323309 - 05/17/18 08:37 AM Re: Anyone know how to tell if key has lost immobilizer code? [Re: markw]
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Dude BOOST the damn car.
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#9323405 - 05/17/18 10:13 AM Re: Anyone know how to tell if key has lost immobilizer code? [Re: Hatorade]
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 Originally Posted By: I like to kiss my own curry butt
Battery probably. Try boosting it.
 Originally Posted By: Hatorade

This isn’t a ‘99 civic you’re dealing with. If not enough juice the computer won’t activate high load items.
 Originally Posted By: c2k
Did you at least boost the car from your DD??
 Originally Posted By: Hatorade
If the key lost programming the car won’t even turn on the accessories. Try boosting the car first.
 Originally Posted By: markw
Also here to say try boosting... we had MINIs die in the showroom all the time.. wouldn't turn over at all, but all electronics would still come on... window wouldn't drop when the door was opened.

Sounds like your situation.
 Originally Posted By: Wildout
You just need a boost man. No wall charger, actual booster cables.
 Originally Posted By: markw
Try a boost.
 Originally Posted By: Hatorade
Dude BOOST the damn car.
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#9323536 - 05/17/18 12:01 PM Re: Anyone know how to tell if key has lost immobilizer code? [Re: phoenixrage]
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#9323801 - 05/17/18 04:32 PM Re: Anyone know how to tell if key has lost immobilizer code? [Re: phoenixrage]
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 Originally Posted By: phoenixrage
 Originally Posted By: I like to kiss my own curry butt
Battery probably. Try boosting it.
 Originally Posted By: Hatorade

This isn’t a ‘99 civic you’re dealing with. If not enough juice the computer won’t activate high load items.
 Originally Posted By: c2k
Did you at least boost the car from your DD??
 Originally Posted By: Hatorade
If the key lost programming the car won’t even turn on the accessories. Try boosting the car first.
 Originally Posted By: markw
Also here to say try boosting... we had MINIs die in the showroom all the time.. wouldn't turn over at all, but all electronics would still come on... window wouldn't drop when the door was opened.

Sounds like your situation.
 Originally Posted By: Wildout
You just need a boost man. No wall charger, actual booster cables.
 Originally Posted By: markw
Try a boost.
 Originally Posted By: Hatorade
Dude BOOST the damn car.


So... What you are saying is - he needs to get a brand new battery from the dealer? \:D
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#9323828 - 05/17/18 05:23 PM Re: Anyone know how to tell if key has lost immobilizer code? [Re: hyper-s2k]
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When people are this dumb I don't even feel sorry

Maybe you should try a bigger charger, nah, 2 chargers at the same time while pushing the car down a hill.

Fuck man

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#9323966 - 05/17/18 08:30 PM Re: Anyone know how to tell if key has lost immobilizer code? [Re: hyper-s2k]
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 Originally Posted By: hyper-s2k
 Originally Posted By: phoenixrage
 Originally Posted By: I like to kiss my own curry butt
Battery probably. Try boosting it.
 Originally Posted By: Hatorade

This isn’t a ‘99 civic you’re dealing with. If not enough juice the computer won’t activate high load items.
 Originally Posted By: c2k
Did you at least boost the car from your DD??
 Originally Posted By: Hatorade
If the key lost programming the car won’t even turn on the accessories. Try boosting the car first.
 Originally Posted By: markw
Also here to say try boosting... we had MINIs die in the showroom all the time.. wouldn't turn over at all, but all electronics would still come on... window wouldn't drop when the door was opened.

Sounds like your situation.
 Originally Posted By: Wildout
You just need a boost man. No wall charger, actual booster cables.
 Originally Posted By: markw
Try a boost.
 Originally Posted By: Hatorade
Dude BOOST the damn car.


So... What you are saying is - he needs to get a brand new battery from the dealer? \:D


Nope. He’s saying use a charger XD
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#9325015 - 05/19/18 12:25 PM Re: Anyone know how to tell if key has lost immobilizer code? [Re: Hatorade]
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So are you still charging the battery?
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#9325682 - 05/20/18 07:55 PM Re: Anyone know how to tell if key has lost immobilizer code? [Re: Hatorade]
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Boosted from the Suzuki and still nothing. Battery reads 12v,and load tested fine. Pulled it and connected to the Suzuki and it started no problem. After charging the battery the windows now work as normal.

Did some digging in the engine bay and looks like the power connector from the starter to the solenoid is corroded beyond repair. Tried to clean it but there isn't much left of it. Gonna pull the starter tmr for closer inspection.

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#9326052 - 05/21/18 12:10 PM Re: Anyone know how to tell if key has lost immobilizer code? [Re: Raocorp]
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#9326160 - 05/21/18 02:17 PM Re: Anyone know how to tell if key has lost immobilizer code? [Re: A2B-Lexus]
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Burn it
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#9326940 - 05/22/18 12:31 PM Re: Anyone know how to tell if key has lost immobilizer code? [Re: Hatorade]
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seee you over charged your battery and caused your starter connection to dissolve.....wtf were you thinking?
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#9327212 - 05/22/18 03:46 PM Re: Anyone know how to tell if key has lost immobilizer code? [Re: loudsubz]
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#9327375 - 05/22/18 08:23 PM Re: Anyone know how to tell if key has lost immobilizer code? [Re: Simon_the_Pieman]
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Minis, what a fucking heap.
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#9327400 - 05/22/18 09:07 PM Re: Anyone know how to tell if key has lost immobilizer code? [Re: Hatorade]
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 Originally Posted By: Hatorade
Burn it


Pretty sure that would happen spontaneous eventually.

Geez hold old is your mini?
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#9327430 - 05/22/18 09:52 PM Re: Anyone know how to tell if key has lost immobilizer code? [Re: hyper-s2k]
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I think 1st gen non Crapper S.....
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#9327451 - 05/22/18 10:03 PM Re: Anyone know how to tell if key has lost immobilizer code? [Re: hyper-s2k]
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 Originally Posted By: hyper-s2k
 Originally Posted By: Hatorade
Burn it


Pretty sure that would happen spontaneous eventually.

Geez hold old is your mini?


LOL

These first gen. minis are a joke when it comes to reliability.
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#9327482 - 05/22/18 11:04 PM Re: Anyone know how to tell if key has lost immobilizer code? [Re: Hatorade]
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 Originally Posted By: Hatorade
 Originally Posted By: hyper-s2k
 Originally Posted By: Hatorade
Burn it


Pretty sure that would happen spontaneous eventually.

Geez hold old is your mini?


LOL

These first gen. minis are a joke when it comes to reliability.


Yup, I knew that going in, I don't care.
It's an 05 Cooper S.... It's got some age but not my DD so it doesn't matter. Mine is one of the few without rust. Probs cuz it hasn't been driven much lol.

Hate all you want, this is the internet after all.....

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#9327733 - 05/23/18 10:04 AM Re: Anyone know how to tell if key has lost immobilizer code? [Re: Raocorp]
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rarely see the starter ground cable go.. but it does happen.

on BMW's its mostly the body-exhaust ground wires that rust out first. or engine to engine mount/chassis...
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#9327788 - 05/23/18 10:53 AM Re: Anyone know how to tell if key has lost immobilizer code? [Re: phoenixrage]
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??? I thought the first gen was one of the best minis for reliability.
They have electronic throttle body failures (lol), but mostly, mechnically they are alright. Much better than 2nd gen, which oil starves and in fact burns oil like crazy, but there is no dip stick...so you can't tell how much has been consumed. And IIRC, the oil light isn't idiot proof - so it doesn't show low oil warnings until it is too late.

Plus...that s/c. It would be a fun as hell second car.
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