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#9150947 - 10/06/17 06:40 AM Re: Compact car options [Re: hyper-s2k]
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#9150964 - 10/06/17 07:31 AM Re: Compact car options [Re: 4age]
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#9151229 - 10/06/17 11:17 AM Re: Compact car options [Re: Risky Business]
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 Originally Posted By: Risky Business


So your Suzuki either needs new tires or an alignment and you don't need A/C for the next 7-8 months since you will be getting another job here. Drive it...or just tell us you want a new car because you are bored and not because of the job

Also, 3hr+ commuting every day. You better be a CFO or some shit, because fuck that.


I changed tires already, same pull. swapped tires to other side still same pull. did a wheel alignment still same pull. there was some play on driver side wheel, changed tie rod still same pull.

Seeing a pattern? I'm one step away from changing the entire front suspension, bushings, ball joints, mounts, shocks, control arms, tie rods......just not sure if I want to spend $1k on it and do the work myself. Let go of the wheel and the car makes a left hand turn all on its own. Hwy driving while needing to keep both hands on the wheel at all times isn't enjoyable.

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#9151347 - 10/06/17 12:12 PM Re: Compact car options [Re: Raocorp]
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St. Cats is far, and a dump.

Find a Mon-Fri sublet in the area, and/or move to Burlington/Oakville/Miss, whatever you can afford. Short-term or not, if you're not leaving in a month, you should try to make it more comfortable. That's a nutty commute - not enough time to slay cougars.

If going cheap: Nissan Sentra, Ford Focus(?!), Mazda 3 ... These are gonna be the lower-end options, but they fit the bill.

You'll need space to recline that seat or back row for the cougars...

Factor in some money for winter tires.

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#9151363 - 10/06/17 12:22 PM Re: Compact car options [Re: Raocorp]
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#9151402 - 10/06/17 12:39 PM Re: Compact car options [Re: Senor Eduardo_82]
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#9152211 - 10/07/17 02:42 PM Re: Compact car options [Re: Hatorade]
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Wife and I both work downtown and spend $600 a month on the Go. We could technically drive and save $$$$ but my sanity is worth more than the $$ we'd be saving. Driving downtown sucks donkey balls.
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#9152224 - 10/07/17 03:09 PM Re: Compact car options [Re: Anonymous]
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My wife went to school down there and I'll admit some areas are sketchy but some of the areas near the university are quite nice. I'd have no problem living down there.
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#9152505 - 10/08/17 08:19 AM Re: Compact car options [Re: loudsubz]
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Normally I'd just take to a good mechanic to take a look if my trials didn't solve anything but doing a quick search online for the symptoms of pulling to left / right on your sx4 and seems others are having similar issues with little to no resolve, not sure you'd want to waste your money and not have it solved
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#9152515 - 10/08/17 08:52 AM Re: Compact car options [Re: loudsubz]
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He should just buy a Mazda2. Spending upwards of $20k just to rack on a shit load of mileage seems silly... Actually more like retarded.
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#9152546 - 10/08/17 10:18 AM Re: Compact car options [Re: Hatorade]
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I am starting to think that I'd rather just keep driving the Suzuki. I've ordered a set of lca's and will try that. I did go look at a 2013 Rio5 yesterday. It was $13.6k and has 23k on it. Nice car, fully loaded with a heated steering wheel. They originally offered me $2k for my car. That was a straight up no and eventually they came up a few times and landed on $3.7 for mine. Was tempting but I'd still be in for $9.5+tax.

What bothered me the most was their sleezy sales tactics. Quoting me prices in biweekly to make it seem more manageable, and the high pressure sale too. "we have to do this today, my month end is coming blah blah blah..." I've always bought cars used from private people except for the Suzuki. Bought that at grimsby Hyundai and it was nothing like that. I don't like pushy sales people and wanted to do some number crunching before making a decision, this guy didn't understand that and was really pushing. At that point I didn't want to deal with him anymore and just left.


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#9152553 - 10/08/17 10:38 AM Re: Compact car options [Re: Raocorp]
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Meh I can't hate on sales people working as long as what they do is ethical. It's the ones without ethics that are the issue. The sales persons job is after all to close the deal.
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#9152574 - 10/08/17 11:15 AM Re: Compact car options [Re: Raocorp]
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 Originally Posted By: Raocorp
I am starting to think that I'd rather just keep driving the Suzuki. I've ordered a set of lca's and will try that. I did go look at a 2013 Rio5 yesterday. It was $13.6k and has 23k on it. Nice car, fully loaded with a heated steering wheel. They originally offered me $2k for my car. That was a straight up no and eventually they came up a few times and landed on $3.7 for mine. Was tempting but I'd still be in for $9.5+tax.

What bothered me the most was their sleezy sales tactics. Quoting me prices in biweekly to make it seem more manageable, and the high pressure sale too. "we have to do this today, my month end is coming blah blah blah..." I've always bought cars used from private people except for the Suzuki. Bought that at grimsby Hyundai and it was nothing like that. I don't like pushy sales people and wanted to do some number crunching before making a decision, this guy didn't understand that and was really pushing. At that point I didn't want to deal with him anymore and just left.


yess you are seeing the light!!

Also for your alignment go to level auto for a proper alignment/diagnosis as to what's wrong. It's one of the best shops in the city and they are very good at what they do.

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#9152688 - 10/08/17 01:39 PM Re: Compact car options [Re: Risky Business]
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 Originally Posted By: Risky Business


yess you are seeing the light!!

Also for your alignment go to level auto for a proper alignment/diagnosis as to what's wrong. It's one of the best shops in the city and they are very good at what they do.


Dang, scarborough? Don't think there is any possibility of me being able to get there unless I take a day off work. The're open saturday but would likely be mad busy. I guess I'll give them a try after the LCA's are on. Any idea on price?

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#9152691 - 10/08/17 01:42 PM Re: Compact car options [Re: Raocorp]
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Schedule the appointment for 9am saturday, they are pretty good at keeping their timeline. I've been on saturdays, it's not bad.
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#9153171 - 10/08/17 09:28 PM Re: Compact car options [Re: Risky Business]
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I don't think LCAs are gonna fix something as sever as you make it sound.

A toasted wheel bearing might, but you would hear that. Sticking brake calipers would do it, front or back.
Although you would smell that.

if you suspect tires, rotate them, but the fronts on the back, backs on the front.

The front end of an SX4 is pretty basic, just grab onto things and pull and wiggle see if anything clunks or feels loose.

If you are closer to Milton, you could call mr Tazzy motorsports. they are the only place I go to for stuff I don't want to do.
They do EXCELLENT alignments.
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#9153285 - 10/09/17 05:13 AM Re: Compact car options [Re: zc911]
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Throwing parts at the car is going to be a really expensive way to solve this problem. If the stationary alignment is good, and the shocks pass the bounce test, calipers are not stuck, tires are known good, no play in any Ball joint, control arm or inner and outer tie rod then it almost has to be something wrong with the power steering rack / traction control system. It's electric steering right? And your traction light goes on and off? I'd try to disable the power steering and traction control altogether and see if you can drive the thing straight. If it were manual you could just turn the whole car off at the ignition, but don't do this on an automatic AWD.


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#9153289 - 10/09/17 06:09 AM Re: Compact car options [Re: 1300cc_Rocket]
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As for the buying a new turd car being the solution to your problems.... Just don't buy one of these turds new. 3 years will go by very quickly and it will be worth like 7k.

I got my mazda2 used privatly and saved a bundle but it was still close to a new car and it has lost half its value in the last 3 years alone. Used mazda2 automatics are plenty. Find one that hasn't been smacked up for like 7grand if you think you can handle driving a turd 230km a day. stay away from manual in any car like this.

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#9153368 - 10/09/17 08:50 AM Re: Compact car options [Re: 1300cc_Rocket]
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 Originally Posted By: 1300cc_Rocket
As for the buying a new turd car being the solution to your problems.... Just don't buy one of these turds new. 3 years will go by very quickly and it will be worth like 7k.

I got my mazda2 used privatly and saved a bundle but it was still close to a new car and it has lost half its value in the last 3 years alone. Used mazda2 automatics are plenty. Find one that hasn't been smacked up for like 7grand if you think you can handle driving a turd 230km a day. stay away from manual in any car like this.

I'm sure he'll be fine with the Mazda2 as his Suzuki is a turd too lol
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#9153589 - 10/09/17 11:25 AM Re: Compact car options [Re: 1300cc_Rocket]
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 Originally Posted By: bAt_Rob_zc911
I don't think LCAs are gonna fix something as sever as you make it sound.

A toasted wheel bearing might, but you would hear that. Sticking brake calipers would do it, front or back.
Although you would smell that.

if you suspect tires, rotate them, but the fronts on the back, backs on the front.

The front end of an SX4 is pretty basic, just grab onto things and pull and wiggle see if anything clunks or feels loose.

If you are closer to Milton, you could call mr Tazzy motorsports. they are the only place I go to for stuff I don't want to do.
They do EXCELLENT alignments.


I've been down the tires road and its the same thing. I've pulled both front wheels off and banged, tugged, pulled, rotated, everything front suspension wise and nothing moves. One outer tie rod on the drivers side had some play so I changed that. Got something mid-grade from Rock Auto for $30, still the same problem. The bushings on the lower control arms look not so good, not totally perished but there is some cracking for sure. so I'm gonna change them both and go from there.

 Originally Posted By: 1300cc_Rocket
Throwing parts at the car is going to be a really expensive way to solve this problem. If the stationary alignment is good, and the shocks pass the bounce test, calipers are not stuck, tires are known good, no play in any Ball joint, control arm or inner and outer tie rod then it almost has to be something wrong with the power steering rack / traction control system. It's electric steering right? And your traction light goes on and off? I'd try to disable the power steering and traction control altogether and see if you can drive the thing straight. If it were manual you could just turn the whole car off at the ignition, but don't do this on an automatic AWD.


So far I've only outlayed $30 on the one outer tie rod. And just yesterday I bought the control arms from Rock Auto as well. I bought moog parts this time for a total of $240+$30 for the tie rod I'm in for about $300 in parts atm. I did an alignment after the tie rod for $80. I did the tie rod myself and i'll do the lca's myself as well.

Really, the only thing left it could be is the whole steering rack. But thats going to be $600ish to replace. Not sure if I really want to spend another $600 on it. I've never done an entire steering rack so I'm also not sure if I can tackle that job myself. So if I have to add labour on top of it thats going to be expensive. The car has needed nothing since I bought and I'm doing a lot of driving lately as well, obviously. I've only put 25k on it in the 1.5yrs I've had it (with 10 of that 25k being in the last few months)

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#9153708 - 10/09/17 01:20 PM Re: Compact car options [Re: Raocorp]
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Just try what I said regarding completely disabling the traction control and if possible power to the electric steering, one at a time. You want to isolate as many variables as possible. Bushings compress but if they aren't loose, and the alignment compensates for their sag, they won't cause a pull as hard as you describe. In theory replacing them, you will need to do another alignment... in theory.

The SX4 is actually quite the solid little car. Most solid of all the Japanese makes. Sheet metal on it is twice as thick as what Mazda uses on even their mazda6. I was strongly considering getting one in their getting out of the country sale but they had already sold out of FWDs and wasn't interested in the porky 4x4s.

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#9154081 - 10/09/17 06:52 PM Re: Compact car options [Re: 1300cc_Rocket]
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Personally, if I'm commuting 200+ k's a day, I'd rather not do it in an econobox. I'd prefer something a bit smoother and quieter with some semi decent options. TSX/TL/Accord, Camry, something along those lines.
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#9154403 - 10/10/17 07:11 AM Re: Compact car options [Re: 1300cc_Rocket]
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 Originally Posted By: 1300cc_Rocket
Just try what I said regarding completely disabling the traction control and if possible power to the electric steering, one at a time. You want to isolate as many variables as possible. Bushings compress but if they aren't loose, and the alignment compensates for their sag, they won't cause a pull as hard as you describe. In theory replacing them, you will need to do another alignment... in theory.

The SX4 is actually quite the solid little car. Most solid of all the Japanese makes. Sheet metal on it is twice as thick as what Mazda uses on even their mazda6. I was strongly considering getting one in their getting out of the country sale but they had already sold out of FWDs and wasn't interested in the porky 4x4s.


Once I swap the LCA's I'll do another alignment at a different shop. I'm going to investigate as you suggested whilst I wait for delivery on the LCA's. I wanted the AWD version as I've never had anything with awd. Mind you, have never actually needed it yet but that's not the point lol.

 Originally Posted By: The Postman
Personally, if I'm commuting 200+ k's a day, I'd rather not do it in an econobox. I'd prefer something a bit smoother and quieter with some semi decent options. TSX/TL/Accord, Camry, something along those lines.


I agree with this statement but really not in the budget atm. $30k-ish on a car, meh. My Suzuki is a solid car as 1300cc said. Also, while my SX4 would be classified as an econobox it definitely feels better than the average econobox. A bigger gas tank would have been nice, 42L is just too small, even for city driving.
But the idea is to transition back to T.O asap. Or I buy a place out there with some property for a nice big garage.

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#9154708 - 10/10/17 12:04 PM Re: Compact car options [Re: Raocorp]
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Honestly Andy, i'd get a Ford.
i have 2 of them now and for the money, its a great buy. you'll get more options for less money.

both the Fiesta and Focus start under $17k.

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#9155136 - 10/10/17 06:12 PM Re: Compact car options [Re: Raocorp]
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You clearly don't have the same hatred towards paying for alignments that I have. My wifes 11 year old Kia has never had an alignment in its life. If the tires don't wear unevenly, and steering doesn't pull, car doesn't need an alignment. Hell, I even just changed both outer tie rod ends, counted turns carefully, car still drives straight. My Alignment check: Inspecting for tire wear 5-6000kms later. If I burn up the tires, I buy two good used tires/rims from Kijji or a u-pull yard for 60$. Still cheaper than an alignment.

If the car doesn't pull any differently with new LCAs save your alignment cash for when you put a new rack in, cause I cant see what else would cause a pull at that point.

Another DIY I would do if I were you that wouldnt cost a dime. Get the car up on four solid jackstands since its an AWD, get the tires way off the ground. Turn off the traction control and get the car up to 30-40kmh and see if the steering does anything funny. Turn on traction control at a lower speed and see what happens. I'd probably point the front of the car towards the road incase shit gets real, but at low speeds, you are pretty safe. Did this with a CR-V once, can't remember why.

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#9155169 - 10/10/17 06:57 PM Re: Compact car options [Re: 1300cc_Rocket]
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You can tell if the car is out of alignment by eye as well, it's pretty evident imo. 1-2 degrees of toe will be noticeable.
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#9155465 - 10/11/17 08:54 AM Re: Compact car options [Re: Risky Business]
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 Originally Posted By: Risky Business
You can tell if the car is out of alignment by eye as well, it's pretty evident imo. 1-2 degrees of toe will be noticeable.


is that before or after a 6-pack of Brava?
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