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#9032673 - 05/18/17 10:29 AM Re: Recommend me sport sedan [Re: Hatorade]
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 Originally Posted By: Hatorade
Yes the seat is off Centre. BMW gay shit.

I agree with proportions working better on sedans, especially with the beefier fenders.


Didn't even notice the off centering.

I guess I am not OCD enough or everything else just makes up for it. \:D
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#9032771 - 05/18/17 11:35 AM Re: Recommend me sport sedan [Re: phoenixrage]
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Yeah I can't believe the oil change intervals 24K is nuts

I tried the G37 and althought the 6 speed felt nice and tight and the steering was great the power delivery was it's downfall. On the test drive I slipped the clutch out and floored it and it took a second to respond...ruined it. Also the car felt like had to drive the hell out of it to feel like it's moving...again this was a used example so you never know what kind of condition the car was in.

Yeah keeping the E39 going for a bit sounds like a good idea...I've really been wanting to upgrade the diff might have to do that after a E60 shifter upgrade.
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#9032782 - 05/18/17 11:42 AM Re: Recommend me sport sedan [Re: Risky Business]
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 Originally Posted By: 4age
The stock tune bleeds boost above 3k RPM.


Just curious how do you know this? source?


http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread...-Boost-Pressure

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#9032848 - 05/18/17 12:14 PM Re: Recommend me sport sedan [Re: 4age]
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Clutch on the 997 is off centre by about an inch. Doesn't bother me except for how damn heavy it is!
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#9033023 - 05/18/17 01:15 PM Re: Recommend me sport sedan [Re: Hatorade]
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you haven't seen off center until you sit in some Italian cars. Lancia, even the 348!
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#9033178 - 05/18/17 02:25 PM Re: Recommend me sport sedan [Re: 4age]
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 Originally Posted By: 4age
 Originally Posted By: Risky Business
I generally get pretty disappointed with that, I miss analog power delivery, the M3 and S4 are great at that relative something like a 335. I love the overall driving experience of the S4, won't be as raw as the 540, but it's really good for modern day standards.


Nailed it. B8 S4 is superb for modern day standards.
It's a brilliant car and can be as dynamic as you wish - as long as you go ham with the alignment. I got that pig to drive real nice on the track - and stop real nice too (with stoptechs XD).

Motor could sound nicer though. It makes a very boring sound. Exhaust sounds nice. With a tune (Risky - you should do it), you unlock a lot of magic. The stock tune bleeds boost above 3k RPM. A tune keeps boost on, and optimizes fuel maps and spark maps. We're not talking about upping boost beyond what the motor was designed for here - we're talking about keeping the boost it was designed to work with to begin with. And with a stage 1 tune, it keeps up with an RS5 in the 1/4. Very fast, tons of torque. Transforms the car. It's nuts. S4 is the 1 car that does everything well - if that's what you're looking for.

Just buy it in a manual, and with the sport diff. The rear diff is magic.
The motor is robust as hell (mine was over-revved...as me why!), and later on had a tune on it. No problems. Motors with larger pulleys and stock internals survive season(s) of racing without rebuilds. It's solid.


damn it ... scchhhtaaaaaap, now i wanna go buy one lol
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#9033216 - 05/18/17 02:50 PM Re: Recommend me sport sedan [Re: Screamin Type ARGH!]
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Why is all of the stuff off center? Is it because they argue it is better or because there is other stuff in the way?

I can't comment on the manual Infiniti. I already owned my M3 at the time and wanted automatic

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#9033265 - 05/18/17 03:28 PM Re: Recommend me sport sedan [Re: 87ZCSi]
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Afaik for BMW it was to meet crash test standards and this was their cheater way.

Offset pedals in the 911, most likely due to the wheel well eating into passenger space, especially on the narrorow 911's (air cooled).
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#9033413 - 05/18/17 05:25 PM Re: Recommend me sport sedan [Re: Hatorade]
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 Originally Posted By: Hatorade
Clutch on the 997 is off centre by about an inch. Doesn't bother me except for how damn heavy it is!
maybe you should drive it more?

told you it was off center. Bmw clutch is aligned with your left leg to the left of center.

Except it seems most 3 series steering wheels are more towards the middle of the car(by about an inch). Some are titled slightly too.
Not a huge deal since your arms and hands have a lot of degrees of freedom.
And some people cry over it.

Where the 911 requires you adjusting your entire lower body towards the center.Yet no one complains about it. I find it to be more awkward than any bmw. Part of the charm though imo.
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#9033450 - 05/18/17 06:03 PM Re: Recommend me sport sedan [Re: Polkaroo]
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Just drove it today on a lunch date with the wife. Nope, clutch position did not bother me. I'm sure a off centre tilted seat will be noticeable though.

As far as 911 charms go. Too many fanbois that make up excuses for Porsche imo. The flat 6 sounds like shit till it hits 4k. This goes for all of them imo. The s65 was sexy as fuck at any rev range.

S65 in a 911 would be a wet dream come true lol
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#9033494 - 05/18/17 06:48 PM Re: Recommend me sport sedan [Re: Hatorade]
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didnt seem to bother you with the e90?

bmw lines their pedals up with your legs but the steering wheel is to the right a little.

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#9033496 - 05/18/17 06:49 PM Re: Recommend me sport sedan [Re: Polkaroo]
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where porsche has a centered wheel...but the pedals on all 911s are offset to the right. Worse in the aircooled cars as pointed out but still there in the watercooled. i find it much more noticeable because your whole lower body is titled to the middle of the car.

The dead pedal in the 911 is where the clutch is in a bmw.





This is some major first world nitpicking. but neither are perfect.
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#9033529 - 05/18/17 07:33 PM Re: Recommend me sport sedan [Re: Polkaroo]
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No doubt the clutch in the 911 is further in. But it doesn't bother me, just like how the e90 didn't either. Although 4age does have a crotch shot showing how much the wheel is off relative to the pen0r lol
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#9033627 - 05/18/17 09:39 PM Re: Recommend me sport sedan [Re: Hatorade]
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s2k - perfect (unless you're fat)

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#9033654 - 05/18/17 10:31 PM Re: Recommend me sport sedan [Re: Screamin Type ARGH!]
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Too bad visibility sucked huge dick when the top is up
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#9033666 - 05/18/17 10:46 PM Re: Recommend me sport sedan [Re: Hatorade]
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s2k would be the perfect all around car if it wasn't a fucking rag top. In coupe form i would've had one ages ago.
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#9033699 - 05/18/17 11:38 PM Re: Recommend me sport sedan [Re: Risky Business]
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Buy the hardtop for it?
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#9033821 - 05/19/17 08:11 AM Re: Recommend me sport sedan [Re: Polkaroo]
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Where the 911 requires you adjusting your entire lower body towards the center.Yet no one complains about it. I find it to be more awkward than any bmw. Part of the charm though imo.


FWIW for my E91, i have to do exactly this. I adjust my body to line up with the center line of the controls. It is VERY off on the E9x. Off enough that I drive touching the left seat side bolster only. \:\|
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#9033827 - 05/19/17 08:12 AM Re: Recommend me sport sedan [Re: 4age]
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Where the 911 requires you adjusting your entire lower body towards the center.Yet no one complains about it. I find it to be more awkward than any bmw. Part of the charm though imo.


FWIW for my E91, i have to do exactly this. I adjust my body to line up with the center line of the controls. It is VERY off on the E9x. Off enough that I drive touching the left seat side bolster only. \:\|


That's due to your gangster lean foo!
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#9033838 - 05/19/17 08:18 AM Re: Recommend me sport sedan [Re: Hatorade]
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S2k wheel is off center too.



With the 911 your upper body is facing forward and in the middle but you're Lowe body is angled towards the center.
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#9033911 - 05/19/17 09:11 AM Re: Recommend me sport sedan [Re: Hatorade]
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Buy the hardtop for it?


I've considered it, but won't feel pure. lipstick on a pig thing....basically 911 all the tings.

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#9034338 - 05/19/17 01:36 PM Re: Recommend me sport sedan [Re: Risky Business]
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OP is chasing an unicorn that doesn't exist

Performance/power delivery/driving dynamic like a M3/C63, reliability like a Camry, price similar to a Honda Civic LX

Either you pony up or just stick with your 5 series.
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#9034468 - 05/19/17 02:35 PM Re: Recommend me sport sedan [Re: iamfob]
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Bob your right - it is a unicorn search for sure, the fun is in the search though and I enjoy the research process.

In no rush so for now I'll hold onto my car but I do need to test out a few cars when I get some time.
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#9034736 - 05/19/17 09:17 PM Re: Recommend me sport sedan [Re: Risky Business]
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 Originally Posted By: Risky Business
 Originally Posted By: Hatorade
Buy the hardtop for it?


I've considered it, but won't feel pure. lipstick on a pig thing....basically 911 all the tings.


S2k with a hardtop is not that bad. It's only an extra 40 lbs.(unless you are planning to use it as a dedicated track car where every ounce matters) plus it gives the feeling of a bit more headroom (and a bit more visibility doing the shoulder check on lane changes because the rear glass wraps around).

I used to winter drive my s2k - so I have an OEM HT -- I put it on last winter before I stored it, if you haven't sat in one with HT on, let me know - can jump in mine before I take it off for the summer.
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#9034761 - 05/19/17 10:12 PM Re: Recommend me sport sedan [Re: hyper-s2k]
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S2K is like the unicorn vehicle for me, but i simply don't like convertibles, it's not a pure vehicle by my own made up definition.

it's like when OEM's make coupes from 4 door platforms, rarely do they ever make the coupe look as good as the sedan when the intent was always 4 door proportions.

New 4 series, new C class coupe, accord coupe, (insert other coupe variant) all look like shit compared to the 4 door version. The a5 kinda nailed it, but the rest are shit.

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#9034769 - 05/19/17 10:36 PM Re: Recommend me sport sedan [Re: Risky Business]
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I kinda like the new C coupe \:\(
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#9034811 - 05/20/17 06:24 AM Re: Recommend me sport sedan [Re: Hatorade]
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Come to think of it the new C coupe looks good, the prior gen was a total fail.
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#9034815 - 05/20/17 06:45 AM Re: Recommend me sport sedan [Re: Risky Business]
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What about when they make a sedan from a coupe :0

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#9034869 - 05/20/17 09:28 AM Re: Recommend me sport sedan [Re: spd-dmn]
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still luke warm to this, i saw some in Frankfurt last week. Might grow on me over time tho, like the a7 \:\)
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#9034870 - 05/20/17 09:30 AM Re: Recommend me sport sedan [Re: Risky Business]
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Speaking of coupes, i think the mustang coupe is really well done. Not a car i would ever buy, but ford did a great job with the proportions and making a 'pure' coupe out of that platform (obvi the intent was always coupe hence why proportions are on point).
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