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#8772362 - 08/25/16 12:47 PM Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game. [Re: xza8]
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CSnapper:

Medcan is okay. It is $80/month (average cell phone with data plan) for the Wellness Plan, which is essentially a walk-in clinic with no wait. $3K for the annual A to Z exam. They were able to hook us up with an OB at Mt. Sinai and Sunnybrook, which would be super hard as we are Markham residents. Markham Hospital had the highest baby mortality rate so we wanted to avoid MSH.

I was referred to a new Dr. (stopped going to Medcan because they don't see patients under 5 and my son would use the Dr. more than us) that charges similar to Medcan. Not as fancy of an office but we like how it is 1 Dr. (with a backup) so that it's a family doctor that knows us instead of a walk-in doctor that reads the chart. Cost $7K (24/7 care and complete annual physicals) for the family but well worth it, I'd rather make sacrifices like skipping a vacation than deal with the "public" system now.

I love being able to call my Dr. at 4 am in the morning in a different City because I have a high fever with chills and don't know what I should do.

Medcan/Cleveland/Medisys/Independent is as private as we can get, and it will take care of 99% of your medical needs.




If you make $100K/year, your health care tax bill is probably $12K, which bought the wife and I the best insurance coverage from Blue Cross in the States with superior medical care (based on what we received in Cali).

https://www.fraserinstitute.org/sites/de...ce-2015-rev.pdf

Had the medcan plan for A-Z as part of my benefits at work. Its not bad, but all it shows is the type of service we should be getting, but don't.

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#8772368 - 08/25/16 12:51 PM Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game. [Re: TheRealCSnapper]
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only way to get seen faster is if you are bleeding out or unconscious. If you are in no apparent and/or immediate danger, you will sit.
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#8772373 - 08/25/16 12:53 PM Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game. [Re: phoenixrage]
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 Originally Posted By: phoenixrage
only way to get seen faster is if you are bleeding out or unconscious. If you are in no apparent and/or immediate danger, you will sit.


you mean like AN EMERGENCY???

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#8772375 - 08/25/16 12:56 PM Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game. [Re: TheRealCSnapper]
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What do all these examples have to do with op situation of going to ER when you don't have to ? Nevermind them being bs examples.

My mother has had breast cancer twice. And has been treated here. Its irrelvent to the thread. But pls tell us more about getting treated in Florida.


The ER is not a doctors office.
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#8772391 - 08/25/16 01:02 PM Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game. [Re: Euphoricuck]
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TIL 8-10 hour wait times in an ER that's not busy are totally normal and there are people on the internet waiting in line to "TOLD YOU SO" and "DON'T CLOG UP THE ER WITH YOUR KID BULLSH!T", also "WALK IT OFF" (this is also a country with electricity and running water).
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#8772400 - 08/25/16 01:05 PM Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game. [Re: Risky Business]
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That's some terrible trolling
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#8772401 - 08/25/16 01:07 PM Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game. [Re: Euphoricuck]
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10 hour ER wait times are acceptable doe, amirite?
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#8772419 - 08/25/16 01:14 PM Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game. [Re: Risky Business]
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Deflecting now. Don't go to the ER with the sniffles. You don't know how busy it was and what kind of other patients walked in the door, or who was working.
There is definitely a problem of people clogging up the ER with non er issues. Is that a systemic problem or an education problem ?
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#8772424 - 08/25/16 01:16 PM Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game. [Re: Euphoricuck]
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Right, cause a 1 year old with a fever that won't break should definitely walk it off....
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#8772426 - 08/25/16 01:17 PM Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game. [Re: Choco 'Nuck]
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Who said walk it off ?
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#8772429 - 08/25/16 01:20 PM Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game. [Re: Euphoricuck]
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 Originally Posted By: Euphoricuck
Who said walk it off ?


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#8772520 - 08/25/16 02:17 PM Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game. [Re: TheRealCSnapper]
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I understand where Euphoric is coming from. Also know it's a roll of the dice depending on how busy they are at whatever point that you arrive.

On of my twins was leaning over on her bed, slipped and knocked her head on the corner of the night table. Decent gash on her forehead, I went to Scarb General and we were seen pretty quickly. Luckily I got in while there was a brief lull so we were first to register and then get called in to stitch her up.

Eldest had a seizure in the car another time and luckily we two mins away from Sunnybrook. I pulled up to the doors of emerg and they took her right away without asking for anything and had a good 5 or more people working on her, once she was normalised they transferred her to Sick Kids by ambulance where we waited for hours.

For the most part I am good with the service we get in Canada but I am also happy and thankful that I haven't had to deal with anything worse than the relatively minor situations we have had so far.

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#8772532 - 08/25/16 02:21 PM Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game. [Re: Big Tasty]
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 Originally Posted By: Big Tasty
I understand where Euphoric is coming from. Also know it's a roll of the dice depending on how busy they are at whatever point that you arrive.

On of my twins was leaning over on her bed, slipped and knocked her head on the corner of the night table. Decent gash on her forehead, I went to Scarb General and we were seen pretty quickly. Luckily I got in while there was a brief lull so we were first to register and then get called in to stitch her up.

Eldest had a seizure in the car another time and luckily we two mins away from Sunnybrook. I pulled up to the doors of emerg and they took her right away without asking for anything and had a good 5 or more people working on her, once she was normalised they transferred her to Sick Kids by ambulance where we waited for hours.

For the most part I am good with the service we get in Canada but I am also happy and thankful that I haven't had to deal with anything worse than the relatively minor situations we have had so far.



So much this. Too many people use the ER as a walk in, though. I went in with a gash on my leg, bleeding was under control and I wasn't going to die.. Visit took almost 5 hours. Went in with my kid who couldn't breath, was in and our in under an hour.
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#8772536 - 08/25/16 02:23 PM Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game. [Re: markw]
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You guys are all fd in the head.. go assume one thing (when there are multiple ways that a statement can be read) and run like the wind with it till you are all beating a dead horse that wasn't even the main point.
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#8772626 - 08/25/16 03:28 PM Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game. [Re: markw]
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Went in with my kid who couldn't breath, was in and our in under an hour.
lies.

And I know op knows what's up. I guess I fell victim to porschetr trolling. No one is that dumb. Or are they ?
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#8772715 - 08/25/16 05:03 PM Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game. [Re: Euphoricuck]
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i fully agree with euphoric (wait wut?). if you have a real emergency (example, big tasty's kid having a seizure) you will get seen fast. cut your hand off? you won't be waiting, chest pain and your ecg looks like hill and gully? you'll be seen.

cat scratch? mosquito bite? itchy crotch? your ass is waiting, and that's the way it should be and that's what walk in clinics are ment for; however, you can thank these people for occupying the dr's time and hospital facilities, a doctor won't stop mid sentence and go see someone with abdo pain while he's telling you why your cat scratch is itchy.

see what alot of people don't realize is that there's a little something called VITALS that let the trained triage nurses who do this day in and day out see through your bull shit and can also know when shit needs to get real.

Wayne, i'm glad that you're sister got the care she needed, but you're comparing apples to oranges. our healthcare system, while good, won't be accessible like private hospitals in the states.

in america they have huge dedicated hospitals to cancer care. you're talking like 600 bed hospitals specifically for cancer care/treatment. these massive centres are basically built and funded from over-charging private insurance companies available to people who can pay for them. great if you can afford a good health plan or pay for your own private care, however it's un-realistic to expect that from a solely provincial funded health care system.

like anything in life yes, there are ways to bypass the system. i'll share someting, my aunt was diagnosed with a blood cancer with mets to her ribs. another aunt works at scarb grace and she was able to get her diagnostic imaging done right away, it wasn't that we asked for it, it's not fair to other people, but the staff there had put the request in without us knowing. there are ALOT of people who think (and receive) faster and preferred service based on their donations to the hospital(s). my aunt has been from scarb grace, to princess margaret, to NYGH, to sunny brook but after all her treatment and running around the end result is that the cancer is gone hopefully and she's on the path to recovery taking just a maintence pill medication. what i'm getting at is that even tho it's not perfect, the system DOES work.

but back to the topic at hand, people have unreasonable expectations of the emergency department and it was abused way too much. you have grown ass people complaining about wait time, yelling & screaming that they arn't being seen, being dramatic throwing themselves on the floor for attention, when they say that they have a fever yet their temp says a different story; not to mention that you get a fever approx once a year, so they've been through this at least 20 times before, and they haven't even tried to take any advil or tylenol or nyquil to fight this fever.

edit: let's face it, the only way that this is going to change is if they tax more and/or these fucking greedy politicians stop stuffing their own pockets and direct money into proper venues. when it comes to health care, they throw just enough money to keep people quiet then spend the rest on pizza parties and limos to work.


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#8772749 - 08/25/16 05:42 PM Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game. [Re: titty sprinkles]
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The issue is the wait time in general.
I don't expect doctors run out of the emergency room to look at someone with sore muscle. But those with sore muscle shouldn't wait months to get taken care of.

You know how I waited weeks to get my MRI date.
My mom waited 3-4 hours to be seen by a doctor when she was ambulanced to an emergency.
I waited a month to see a stomach specialist, again a month to see the ear specialist.
Where other countries with good medical care, it would be a next day visit.

What if someone with cancer or other serious disease had to wait a month or two to see the specialist, then find out it's too late?
Should they suck it up and go out because they have lived long enough?


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#8772794 - 08/25/16 07:02 PM Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game. [Re: porschetr]
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again, it depends on your emergency. yes, you had to wait weeks for your MRI, but if someone came in with a bad head injury or something and the doc ordered a MRI, it would be done right then and there.

about 90% of people have the misconception that because you come in with an ambulance that you will get seen faster or that it's more of a priority than walking through the door when that is not true. every ambulance that comes through the hospital is triaged just the same as any person coming in. If anything it would take longer (not my hospital because we have the fastest triage ems offload times in the province) because there is only 1 dedicated triage nurse specifically for EMS patients while there can be up to 3 for non EMS patients.

again, saying this country has this and this country has that holds no merit. look, cuba has the best health care system yet most of the country lives in poverty.

If someone gets diagnosed with a major disease like a brain tumor or something then that person will get priority, i'm not saying that things are super fast and i'm not saying that things can change and or worsen while in that waiting time or that doctors misdiagnose, what i'm saying is that there is an acuity system in place. also don't forget the people who demand a MRI or CT scan because their sister in law back home is a "doctor" and says they need one.


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#8772808 - 08/25/16 07:46 PM Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game. [Re: titty sprinkles]
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Cuba has a better health care system than Canada. Thats fucking sad. You think rich people are waiting weeks for an MRI? They just cross the border and get it done the same day.

Decrease taxes, insitute a copay an see all the moochers disappear

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#8772813 - 08/25/16 07:56 PM Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game. [Re: Choco 'Nuck]
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i am fully in favor of a co-pay.

I was talking with my uncle from my dads side who lives in new york, he is a diabetic who's had a heart attack. he was saying how the co-pay cuts out the riff raft however there are still people there on welfare and social security who are exempt from the co-pay that plug up the system.

yes cuba has one if not the best health care system in the world, also they pay for everyone's university tuition, however the country lives dirt poor. tic for tac.


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#8772866 - 08/25/16 09:31 PM Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game. [Re: titty sprinkles]
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Co-pay will for sure help.

People tend to be wasteful when it is unlimited/free.

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#8772988 - 08/26/16 07:14 AM Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game. [Re: titty sprinkles]
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Waiting for Canuck to move to Cuba

They have some pretty good cancer drug there. Treat cancer like a chronic condition. Not something that can be 'cured'. The whole us embargo forced them to have to innovate.
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#8773004 - 08/26/16 07:40 AM Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game. [Re: Euphoricuck]
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I know all the rave is about Cuba's healthcare system, but I don't see it.

Their doctors all have part time jobs as vendors selling t shirts in Havana, not sure how good they really can be when practicing medicine isn't their first priority (surviving is).

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#8773103 - 08/26/16 09:13 AM Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game. [Re: Risky Business]
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Take off the blinders then.
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#8773107 - 08/26/16 09:15 AM Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game. [Re: Choco 'Nuck]
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https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2016/08...lth-system.html

Oh snap....

I remember when I used to be a strong supporter of the 'free' healthcare in Canada. I got into a discussion with my manager in Chicago who told me about a condition that his neice had. The drug would not be covered by any province in Canada due to the cost, but it was covered in the US by her private insurance. Because of that drug, she was live. Seems like the same thing here.

What good is free healthcare when it allows you to die....

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#8773211 - 08/26/16 10:50 AM Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game. [Re: porschetr]
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What if someone with cancer or other serious disease had to wait a month or two to see the specialist, then find out it's too late?


This happened in BC. Some guy with a really aggressive from of cancer had to wait 6 weeks for a specialist. His Korean wife took him to Korea for treatment instead and it was all done in a matter of days. The Korean Doctors said that he'd be dead in 3 weeks if it weren't for the treatment.

Read that on the Star some time last year... I think.
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#8773212 - 08/26/16 10:51 AM Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game. [Re: Just A Troll]
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 Originally Posted By: porschetr

What if someone with cancer or other serious disease had to wait a month or two to see the specialist, then find out it's too late?


This happened in BC. Some guy with a really aggressive from of cancer had to wait 6 weeks for a specialist. His Korean wife took him to Korea for treatment instead and it was all done in a matter of days. The Korean Doctors said that he'd be dead in 3 weeks if it weren't for the treatment.



That's so sad in a first world country, really makes you think.

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#8773213 - 08/26/16 10:51 AM Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game. [Re: Euphoricuck]
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 Originally Posted By: Euphoricuck
Waiting for Canuck to move to Cuba


To a socialist country? That Plutocrat? You've got to be kidding!
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#8773217 - 08/26/16 10:53 AM Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game. [Re: Just A Troll]
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He is like "the rest of us" tho
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#8773221 - 08/26/16 10:56 AM Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game. [Re: Risky Business]
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 Originally Posted By: Just A Troll
 Originally Posted By: porschetr

What if someone with cancer or other serious disease had to wait a month or two to see the specialist, then find out it's too late?


This happened in BC. Some guy with a really aggressive from of cancer had to wait 6 weeks for a specialist. His Korean wife took him to Korea for treatment instead and it was all done in a matter of days. The Korean Doctors said that he'd be dead in 3 weeks if it weren't for the treatment.



That's so sad in a first world country, really makes you think.


Ok... my facts were a bit off. But the gist of the story is: Korean doctors saved his life while BC doctors made him wait.

CBC Article May 20 2015:
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Gerd Trubenbach says flying to Korea for cancer surgery was his only hope
Cancer patient, 71, says Canada's health-care system failed him, while Korea's saved him
By Natalie Clancy, CBC News Posted: May 20, 2015 2:00 AM PT Last Updated: May 20, 2015 7:20 PM PT


http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-co...-hope-1.3079619
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#8773363 - 08/26/16 12:22 PM Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game. [Re: Risky Business]
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 Originally Posted By: Risky Business
 Originally Posted By: Just A Troll
 Originally Posted By: porschetr

What if someone with cancer or other serious disease had to wait a month or two to see the specialist, then find out it's too late?


This happened in BC. Some guy with a really aggressive from of cancer had to wait 6 weeks for a specialist. His Korean wife took him to Korea for treatment instead and it was all done in a matter of days. The Korean Doctors said that he'd be dead in 3 weeks if it weren't for the treatment.



That's so sad in a first world country, really makes you think.
that drug I mentioned...not available here (yet) or in the USA. ...some guy with cancer from the magical US had to fly to Canada and then Cuba once a yr and pay $12k for this drug. Then smuggle it back into Canada and then the US.

Such amaze.

Now he can skip the flight through Toronto...but the drug still isn't approved yet.
Doctors had given him months to live. It's been years on this stuff and he's still alive.


You can find examples everywhere. There are pros and cons to every system out there.
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#8773375 - 08/26/16 12:34 PM Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game. [Re: titty sprinkles]
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I'm not dead yet. Our system is fine.

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#8773394 - 08/26/16 12:49 PM Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game. [Re: Senor Eduardo_82]
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I'm not dead yet. Our system is fine.

*head back in the sand*


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#8773542 - 08/26/16 02:39 PM Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game. [Re: Just A Troll]
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 Originally Posted By: Just A Troll
 Originally Posted By: porschetr

What if someone with cancer or other serious disease had to wait a month or two to see the specialist, then find out it's too late?


This happened in BC. Some guy with a really aggressive from of cancer had to wait 6 weeks for a specialist. His Korean wife took him to Korea for treatment instead and it was all done in a matter of days. The Korean Doctors said that he'd be dead in 3 weeks if it weren't for the treatment.

Read that on the Star some time last year... I think.


I'm sorry, but that's complete dog shit.

of course the treating physicians in korea will knock the other docs because they want to look all high and mighty, but the fact of the matter is that they are not God, they can not tell exactly when a person is going to kick. the korean doctors could also say that the sky is orange doesn't mean that they are right, they sound more ignorant than anything. every person reacts differently to the medication and treatment of cancer, one medicine may have better effects than the other, at the end of the day it's a matter of educated opinions when it comes to timelines; that patient's tumor could have ruptured a bowel and he could have died from sepsis in a day, you never know.


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#8773578 - 08/26/16 03:01 PM Re: Damn hospital, played the long wait game. [Re: titty sprinkles]
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^ didn't read properly! It's about wait times!
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