#8669404 - 05/24/16 01:54 PM
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As much as I love running, it seems I'm unable to maintain running.
So I guess I'm a cyclist and a "roadie" mostly. Turns out I'm not too bad and I do enjoy it. So with a grand total of 3 CX events and a century done. What should I try next?
My thoughts: actual track racing mid-distance fast paced events (30-50 mile "races" which will be slow at my output) Just more long distance touring events (lots of food and cheerleading going on). Just solo rides?
I sort of like going fast, I found the century challenging, but wouldn't have minded pushing myself more but that could be because I was so nervous about finishing I didn't lead much. That said, I'm still a little agro for tours?
I know for sure I"ll do CX this fall since I've got the tires.
So tell me cyclists, what type of riding do you find the most rewarding?
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#8669422 - 05/24/16 02:11 PM
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#8669432 - 05/24/16 02:16 PM
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Tires still too big (zwift only measures RPMs of rear tire) Video games suck you even complain about the lag I do this shit to get outside
should I go on?
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#8669446 - 05/24/16 02:24 PM
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I got a new vid card tho [ok it was free!] but dual /SLI /woot?
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#8669449 - 05/24/16 02:25 PM
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#8669450 - 05/24/16 02:25 PM
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#8669515 - 05/24/16 03:07 PM
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that sounds horrible lol vert/anuerisym
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#8671157 - 05/25/16 05:36 PM
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I have been off the bike for close to a month, it's brutal. Need to get back asap, but home obligations.
I am not sure what you are asking? What's next as in you want to ride competitive?
Have you looked at riding in groups? It's face paced, high adrenaline, etc.
The user 4age here (he is a regular, but doesn't post much) is who got me into riding, and riding groups. He is the equivalent to nato, but the Toronto version (he used to be semi pro) and he took up velodrome riding. He basically fully stopped riding road and is strictly doing velodrome, if you have one near you it might be worth checking out. I was thinking of doing it in the winters, but I am not willing to make the commitment.
CN: make the time and ride on your own. What's rewarding for me is going out on my own, at my own time, my own schedule, not have to drive to events and/or waste my weekends participating in form of organized riding. That is most rewarding (ocd about making the most of my days). So having said that, self discipline and set some personal goals and get out there no need over complicate it. To get better though, signing up for the odd race here/there is probably a much better motivator and the results will show.
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#8671165 - 05/25/16 05:49 PM
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yea I was just thinking to myself I am slightly less incompetent over shorter distances and the hellyer velodrome near me has a noob program [where the brakes at??!] I think I want to do it because I know I'm more competitive over shorter distances vs normal road racing and getting pwnd over and over sucks
just talked myself into trying it I guess: http://www.ridethetrack.com/
just like with my swimming, I need to go shorter imo
also were crits mentioned yet? while terrifying, those can be fun too if you're into that. they are literally everywhere
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#8671173 - 05/25/16 05:56 PM
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Yea i am thinking about it, but it's mostly because i am itching for a nice fixed gear bike than i am about riding in a circle
Also, my cycling fitness is the equivalent to your ability to push yourself, i barely/if ever push and just coast because not challenged. I am super competitive around other betas and it shows in group rides, but alone i just keep that 130 bpm and Fred up every weekend ride.
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#8671175 - 05/25/16 05:57 PM
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I do that though because thats how you get faster when you have a high-ish weekly cardio load.
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#8671176 - 05/25/16 05:58 PM
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ok, well you've put thought into it.
For me riding alone = no urgency, betas can't make you look bad, no fire under my ass, etc = 130 bpm effort
fuck all in gainz
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#8671181 - 05/25/16 06:01 PM
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intervals and zone 4/5 stuff should be a part of it too, but not required back in cat 5 land
I do it on the trainer/zwift lately and it's awesome tho
I assume the 80/20 rule applies to cycling also [80% bulk/zone 3 stuff] and 20% interval zone 4/5 stuff
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#8671512 - 05/26/16 12:27 AM
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It's all rewarding for me.
I generally feel pretty stoked at the end of most rides, be they road, MTB or CX. I just like being on a bike.
Keep doing what you're doing. I think the variety of it will keep you motivated.
I'm too slow to race much of anyone. The century I signed up for in September will probably take me 6.5 hours. I'm skipping the century on this year's MS150 because I want to get there on Day 1 at the peak of the fanfare.
Pretty stoked on more MTB this summer tho.
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#8671892 - 05/26/16 10:15 AM
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Oh yea IMO biking is the same as surfing or skating or snowboarding, whoever is having the most fun wins.
So that means pros wish they were like us (ok, maybe not lol)
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#8671938 - 05/26/16 10:30 AM
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It's all rewarding for me. I generally feel pretty stoked at the end of most rides, be they road, MTB or CX. I just like being on a bike. Keep doing what you're doing. I think the variety of it will keep you motivated. I'm too slow to race much of anyone. The century I signed up for in September will probably take me 6.5 hours. I'm skipping the century on this year's MS150 because I want to get there on Day 1 at the peak of the fanfare. Pretty stoked on more MTB this summer tho.
Good Points. Stokage is high.
I think I want to be a little bit "better' I felt like my century went well largely because I drafted stronger riders. I want to BE a stronger rider. I think ultimately that's a seat-time issue still. I'm pretty powerful for my experiences (~4k miles over the last 3-4 years).
I think I'll focus on "new" events: At least 1-2 race, even if I suck Lots of CX (I feel like every course/event is new) 1-2 more endurance ride (60-80 range) with an emphasis on smaller more focused events and at least one Roubaix/Gravel grind event (this is what I want to know)
I'm trying to figure out the best way to throw in a little actual "training" in the form of intervals to get better focus on output/ duration. Trainer in the summer months sounds miserable.
Can someone give me some good information on "zones"? I'm guessing I tend to spend all my time pushing too hard, even on fun rides. That's sort of my nature.
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#8671989 - 05/26/16 10:48 AM
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I think a MTN Bike next year is my most likely solution too. Rather than a Road or full CX. My bike does well enough at all things that I don't need to get TOO specialized for riding that an 8/10 on the stokage
A strong Trail/CX bike would provide me more stokage than any incremental gains on a CX course or long ride/race.
All that's out the window if I mange to destroy current gravel grinder.
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#8672175 - 05/26/16 12:10 PM
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Mountain is fun, that's all I used to do back in the day. My issue is that of all the riding available, from a time efficiency POV road is the best (depending on where you live).
I just can't bring myself to mounting my bike on a rack or taking it apart, loading it in the car, plus my gear, driving to a parking lot, put everything back together, ride, rinse repeat, come home. The time commitment for the amount of riding is hard to justify. But if you live close to trails and can ride there then that's epic.
Also why I stopped playing hockey, dumb reasoning, but a one hour game was literally 2.5 hour time commitment. Love the sport though.
Sign up for a few races nicely spaced out through the year and just look forward to those milestones. You will have a sense of urgency to get out there and put in the work and you will become a better rider while hopefully enjoying yourself.
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#8672189 - 05/26/16 12:16 PM
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dirtay since you dont HR train you arent really able to tell your zones. much as with running you might be assuming you are working harder than you really are, eg have a broken 'perceived effort' meter [true for me anyways]. As you get in better shape imo it gets HARDER not easier to hit the outer zones [4/5 and unobtanium 6]
you're probably fredding around at 130-ish HR for most things, even the donkey plomp 4 mile commute of yours with some sprint segments. Maybe little pushes to 140 HR or so
also dont forget bike HR zone is ~5-8 beats slower than the equivalent run HR zone for most people. But the FTP 20 minute test w/a HRM on zwift or trainerroad should help you identify your HR zones
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#8672194 - 05/26/16 12:19 PM
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wait he is telling us his efforts based on feel?
dafaq, before you do anything else at least get a garmin. You don't need to chart out your life and reconcile every individual beat with an algo like stickaz, but come on some basic data for baseline training is necessary.
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#8672206 - 05/26/16 12:25 PM
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RB: I agree on the PITA factor Mtn bike, especially given my primary love is snowboarding (90 minutes each way for 6-10 hour day, wtf). And given toddler and home ownership(so close to selling to move to the mountains, wtf). That said, I know what I love, it's being in the forests/mountains, the technical flow, etc. Road biking a mountain road is "close", but not the same. So sure, I won't get NEAR the miles/dollar out of a Mtn Bike, but Stokage/dollar will be high.
Stickaz: remember I achieved a 1/2 marathon in the same pace as you on my second try, and that's coming from 18 months after getting off the couch and my heaviest weight(not that heavy admittedly) and 5 years after quitting smoking. I'm pretty good at pushing. I agree my commute probably averages low 110, but on those 400w sprints I'm guessing that's more than 130. Also, my trainer sessions have a drip pattern that matches/exceeds yours(in my garage though, not inside the house you animal!!)
RB2: I use bike computer and/or strava. Not even Cadence. I do get Suunto at discount, but it's never seemed necessary for my weekend warrior bullshit. I was looking at BT sensor for Trainer-road.
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#8672223 - 05/26/16 12:32 PM
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#8672232 - 05/26/16 12:38 PM
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Really? Before any other shit for bike?
Shit, I just blew my load on: sporty helmet (lol) tires clothes
That said, I got some hand me down cleats (lol) to replace my mtn bike options.
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#8672583 - 05/26/16 03:06 PM
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I have a couple of routes where I know the time "checkpoints" that keep me apprised on how fast I'm going. Mapmyride tells me my average speed every 5 minutes and I get average speed/elevation out of that.
The most effective "training" I do is a 20 mile local loop that's decently hilly--875' of elevation gain. I do that on my cross bike (because crappy roads) or I make it harder by going on my singlespeed.
I don't feel like completely immersing myself in telemetry. At some point, I'd obsess too much over data and not enjoy the ride. Since I struggle to be a mid-packer anyway, that's a waste of a good time.
Heading to a group ride shortly. Beautiful 22 mile loop that weaves through RI beach country. Great group of people and a fun final sprint back to the shop. That's tonight's stoke.
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#8672740 - 05/26/16 04:36 PM
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I think much of my issue is I don't know the "good" rides in my area, I sort of google and try to use some common sense. With my century there were training rides. I didn't make any, but it got me thinking.
To stickaz point: Honestly, I don't know why you need HR for that. Like I expect segments to get faster every 6 months.
I thought HR wasn't about proving fitness (repeated times can show that), but more making sure you're not spending TOO much time in limbo and training effective. (obviously more of an issue for us weekend warriors ).
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#8672749 - 05/26/16 04:43 PM
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Also, it seems like Watts can be a decent proxy for HR for zone.
Now of course actual watts costs a fortune, but estimate watts are a strava segment or trainer ride with BT speed sensor away.
I'm not sure Perceived effort is that bad either. My limited HR measurement(hand sensor or self administered) suggests if anything I can DEFINITELY hit zone 5 and it's right where I thought.
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#8672751 - 05/26/16 04:45 PM
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theres plenty of ways to look at the data. heck sravastix chrome plugin I think is looking at aggregating a weeks training together and producing reports and all that
but yea HR zone based training is actually the end goal really imo of HRM training. If you aren't zone training you're probably not getting the maximum benefit. EG every week I go out and cry about not being able to hit zone 5 in a speed workout--at least I know I wasnt able to hit zone 5 I guess.
the problem with using watts is you'll get fitter over time [hopefully]
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#8672761 - 05/26/16 04:53 PM
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But I expect to get fitter.
So my expectations are those numbers get better.
I mean at the end of the day my training is still PE based, rather than watts, but just because you know you FTP doesn't mean you never move it. Just do a new test.
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#8672768 - 05/26/16 04:58 PM
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right. except a new FTP test is so hard tho lol. I havent done one in months although I sorta faked one yesterday. Looking at my data I can handle a solid 10-20 more watts easy right now /yiss
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#8672776 - 05/26/16 05:06 PM
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I get your argument that I'm not training smart. But I'm pretty sure my tolerable results demonstrate I can push myself. Like I've said, I don't need HR to tell me if I'm fitter, I can tell if an effort feels easier. I tend to expect times to go down every year, and if anything get dissapointed if they don't as fast as I expect.
I personally think it'll help me not push so hard all the time(too much zone3) (or push/train smarter).
CN: it's probably worth it, but not as much
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#8672817 - 05/26/16 05:45 PM
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I figure zone 2 is any mutli-hour or slow commutes Zone 3 is my 1 hour sweaty ass rides, most my commutes. Anything from 20-90 minutes where I'm gross afterwards, breathing is important, but not labored Zone 4 is 30-60 minutes of racing
i thought zone 3 "comfortably hard" was the worst spot to spent 80% of your time. You're better at Zone 2(70%), with sessions of zone 4 (20%) and zone 5/6(<10%). Zone 2 you can mostly talk in, by zone 3 you'd rather not.
Don't know, I've done both finger and treadmill measures and found my heart rates in the 180+ range. I know neither are the most reliable, but in aggregate it seems I CAN hit those zones.
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#8672850 - 05/26/16 05:59 PM
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yea I think I've got mine a little skewed
using LTHR is better than % of HRM or HHR [heart rate reserve] this chart I keep posting is heart rate reserved base. in practice my LTHR [lactate threshold] I believe is around 152-153 or so, implying my zone 3 actually starts at 136
so that 'not quite hard enough' zone is quite possibly the 125-135 range I always end up in lol cry hahaha
but there's no data behind my LTHR guess of 152-153, just race results, I like the idea of hitting these zones based on heart rate reserve as that at least is fact based. My personal lactate threshold testing I think leaves a lot to be desired lol
also kudos for hitting 180. My wife can hit 200 on the treadmill I'm like 'jesus H. christ!' when I see that stuff. Please dont stroke out heh
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#8673162 - 05/27/16 07:31 AM
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I figure zone 2 is any mutli-hour or slow commutes Zone 3 is my 1 hour sweaty ass rides, most my commutes. Anything from 20-90 minutes where I'm gross afterwards, breathing is important, but not labored Zone 4 is 30-60 minutes of racing
i thought zone 3 "comfortably hard" was the worst spot to spent 80% of your time. You're better at Zone 2(70%), with sessions of zone 4 (20%) and zone 5/6(<10%). Zone 2 you can mostly talk in, by zone 3 you'd rather not.
Don't know, I've done both finger and treadmill measures and found my heart rates in the 180+ range. I know neither are the most reliable, but in aggregate it seems I CAN hit those zones.
180 for how long?
Getting/holding 180 is easier running than cycling, imo.
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#8673450 - 05/27/16 10:50 AM
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Without a HRM, I'm guessing at time. But it's on 2 minute running intervals.
Admittedly I don't measure much on bike. So your point might be spot on. But if anything I've been more winded at the end of MY CX races than any run.
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#8674939 - 05/29/16 12:27 AM
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But if anything I've been more winded at the end of MY CX races than any run.
There's a permanent course near me that I'll do laps of for practice/conditioning (there are "group rides" of it in late summer) that has a long run-up that is the most difficult thing I'll do on or off of a bike. That shit is absolute threshold and anaerobic hell. And somehow it's fun.
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