#8543071 - 02/04/16 10:55 AM
Rich drunk dude actually pleads guilty
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http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/muzzo-plea-expected-1.3432991
Marco Muzzo has pleaded guilty to four counts of impaired driving causing death and two counts of impaired driving causing bodily harm in the September crash in Vaughan, Ont., that killed three children and their grandfather. ■Marco Muzzo to plead guilty in Vaughan crash ■Family who lost 3 kids, granddad 'utterly decimated'
Muzzo entered his plea this morning in a Newmarket, Ont., court.
Muzzo was driving an SUV that collided with a minivan carrying six members of the Neville-Lake family on Sept. 27. Daniel, 9, Harrison, 5, Milly, 2, and 65-year-old Gary Neville died.
The children's grandmother and great-grandmother were also seriously injured in the crash.
In entering his plea this morning, Muzzo agreed to a statement of the following facts that was read in court: ■The SUV Muzzo was driving was travelling 85 kilometres an hour when it drove through a stop sign and struck the Neville-Lakes's minivan. ■His blood-alcohol content at the time of crash ranged from 0.19 to 0.25 per cent, which is two to three times the legal limit in Ontario. ■Police officers who interviewed Muzzo at the scene said he smelled of alcohol, his eyes were glassy, and he tried to use the car to keep his balance. He was also unable to understand instructions from the officers. ■Traffic and weather conditions were not a factor in the crash.
Bail conditions
Muzzo's lawyer Brian Greenspan argued that his client should be released on "strict terms" until sentencing takes place on Feb. 23 and possibly Feb. 24. The Crown agreed to the following bail conditions, but they still must be approved by the judge. They include: ■Payment of $1 million in bail. ■No contact with any member of the Neville-Lake family. ■He must not apply for travel documents. ■He's not allowed to operate a motor vehicle. ■He must abstain from alcohol and live with his mother. ■Curfew between 7 p.m. and 6 a.m. ET
Greenspan said earlier that Muzzo "has accepted full responsibility and accountability for his conduct and the devastating consequences of that conduct."
Jennifer Neville-Lake and her husband, Edward Lake, parents of the three children who died in the crash, were at the courthouse this morning.
Muzzo's mother Dawn was also in court.
Muzzo appeared in court in handcuffs and wore a black suit. He did not look at his family as he sat in the prisoner's box
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#8543740 - 02/04/16 04:30 PM
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ya thats exactly what I said.
what kind of mommyblog bullshit is "in this day and age there is absolutely no reason for this to happen". wtf does that even mean. Last I checked people are still free to make their own choices in life. Sometimes not very good ones. Nowhere am I defending his actions. He thought he could manage and it turned out very bad for another family(and even him). Now he has to live with that forever regardless of where that is. In jail(on our dime) or on some trust fund estate.
Just tired of everyone thinking we need to drastically increase our sentencing to US style levels like that is the answer to any of these potential issues. Its not an answer and it will just increase the tax payers burden.
This isnt saudi where we have an eye for an eye. Nor should we ever turn into that. A civilized society is educated enough to clue in that most of these people need a combination of things. Which imo includes some jail time, loss of some privileges(depending on what happened),education and most of all rehabilitation. Not just toss them in prison for 60 yrs.
Of course there are huge variances depending on what example you want to talk about. But in this case it was an accident. He made poor choices that led to it. He didnt wake up that morning intending to kill anybody.
Without infringing more on our "freedoms" people are still left to make their own choices. If they were serious about preventing this, they would put in breathalyzer lock outs on every car manufactured. But they won't do that. So yes, in this day and age there is still a possibility of this happening. And it sucks. Increasing fines or jail time won't magically get the last percentages of compliance. There are going to be people who push the limits. Fact of life. Stay awake out there. it means exactly that, in this day and age there are more than enough resources to get home when your drinking than driving yourself. it shouldn't be a question of how you can manage it should be a yes or no to drive if you've been drinking. i agree on being a burden on tax payers money but shit, what isn't a burden on tax payer's money? (see 1 million spent on pizza ) some may argue that drunk driving in an extreme case like this could premeditated. i'm sure that at some point he knew that he was drinking hard, got sloshy and decided to keep drinking. If he ment to get behind the wheel or not who knows, but accident? i wouldn't call it that.
Exactly what I meant. Calling this an accident is just wrong. He was impaired, plain and simple.
You can't tell me that if practically your entire immediate family is wiped out by a drunk driver you're just going to say meh, it was an accident so don't be too harsh on him. He knew he was drunk when he got behind the wheel, he knew what could happen and he did it anyway.
There are so many fucking options aside from driving drunk. Uber, cab, friend, train...no excuse.
Maybe drastically increasing the punishment for drinking and driving might help decrease how often if happens. I'm sorry but if something like this happens and I know I'm getting 25 years for it, you're fucking right that I'm finding another way home.
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#8543963 - 02/04/16 07:16 PM
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I'm sorry but if something like this happens and I know I'm getting 25 years for it, you're fucking right that I'm finding another way home. oh, so because sentences are "too low" right now, you are ok with pushing the limits? But make it 25 yrs and that would finally convince you not to drink and drive?
it's true doe. you have to admit, it kinda worked with the entire 50km/h street racing bullshit they brought. i know a lot more people who stopped street racing and doing hwy pulls because they are fucked if they get caught; instead of a wreckless driving that you can plead down to a speeding ticket like back in the day.
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#8544025 - 02/04/16 08:23 PM
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In this day and age there is absolutely no reason for this to happen.
HERE HERE!
We have education. We have alternatives. We have social networks, that you can use when you need a ride. The only people who still drive drunk are sociopathic douchebags!
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#8544061 - 02/04/16 09:00 PM
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I'm sorry but if something like this happens and I know I'm getting 25 years for it, you're fucking right that I'm finding another way home. oh, so because sentences are "too low" right now, you are ok with pushing the limits? But make it 25 yrs and that would finally convince you not to drink and drive?
Actually you're right on this. Studies have shown that a bigger sentence is not a deterent. People don't actualyl think: "Hmmm... the sentence is too much if I drink and drive." Last time I got drunk, I called Uber and had my friend drive me back to the sports bar to get my car the next day. Not once did the drunk driving penalty cross my mind.
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#8544063 - 02/04/16 09:06 PM
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I'm sorry but if something like this happens and I know I'm getting 25 years for it, you're fucking right that I'm finding another way home. oh, so because sentences are "too low" right now, you are ok with pushing the limits? But make it 25 yrs and that would finally convince you not to drink and drive? it's true doe. you have to admit, it kinda worked with the entire 50km/h street racing bullshit they brought. i know a lot more people who stopped street racing and doing hwy pulls because they are fucked if they get caught; instead of a wreckless driving that you can plead down to a speeding ticket like back in the day.
Actually, that's a generational thing. My generation doesn't really street race. Not as much as you guys in your 30s and 40s did. I remember the news reports of hundreds of cars in some strip mall that went out to do some street racing in some Industrial sector. But now that most of you guys have kids, jobs, wives and houses; you've got better things to do on a Saturday night than hang out and street race.
50 over penalty didn't do a thing against street racing. More non street racers got caught than actual street racers.
I see cars fly by me on the 407 everyday that are probably going 150 or more. No street racing, just lead foot!
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#8544247 - 02/05/16 05:05 AM
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Euphoric, -> Guys kills 4 people, its okay, he just had a lapse in judgement, don't treat him too harshly. Here's the thing, he knew, or ought to have known that getting behind the wheel after drinking could result in killing 4 people. Thats why people say "in this day and age, this should not happen". Not only that, there are no mitigating factors, he could afford a cab, hell, he could afford a helicopter to come and pick him up. Calling it pushing the boundaries is a cop out.
Okay, you don't want to pay for him in a jail for the rest of your life, bring back the death penalty. Its appropriate in a case like this. This ain't no making of a murderer, there is 100% absolute certainty he did it.
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#8544512 - 02/05/16 10:00 AM
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In this day and age there is absolutely no reason for this to happen. So you're ok with drunk drivers then?
he endorses people breaking the law or above the law. ignore the troll.
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#8544634 - 02/05/16 10:47 AM
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Also, lol @ the idea of him riding home in an uber car. His family is worth 1.8 BILLION, and he was driving home from the airport, where he had just landed in a private jet from Miami. Dude should have just had a driver.
EDIT: here's the rest of the article:
"This is not only routine, this would have happened with virtually anyone who had any roots in the community regardless of status, regardless of any other issue," Greenspan told reporters shortly after Muzzo left the court with his fiancée. Muzzo's mother, Dawn, was also in court.
Greenspan said Muzzo "has accepted full responsibility and accountability for his conduct and the devastating consequences of that conduct."
He did not say what sentence he would be seeking for his client.
Muzzo appeared in court in handcuffs and wore a black suit. He didn't look at his family as he sat in the prisoner's box.
He nodded and murmured in agreement when asked if he understood the consequences of his plea.
Muzzo family wealthy
The Muzzo family, one of Canada's wealthiest, released a statement after their son's arrest saying they were "greatly saddened" by the tragedy and expressed their "deepest sympathy" to the Neville-Lake family.
The family owns the drywall company Marel Contractors and is worth almost $1.8 billion, according to Canadian Business magazine.
Muzzo had returned from a trip to Miami on a private jet on the day of the crash, landing at Toronto's Pearson airport around 3:15 p.m., according to an agreed statement of fact read in court.
He picked up his Jeep from the airport parking lot and drove off, court heard.
Shortly afterward, he drove through a stop sign, hitting the driver's side of the minivan carrying the Neville-Lake family.
It was only after he arrived at the police station that Muzzo learned the four had died, court heard.
Edited by ru4real (02/05/16 10:48 AM)
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#8544957 - 02/05/16 01:10 PM
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Where did I say to not treat him harshly ? Please quote me.
Well with overwhelming evidence it's no surprise. Now let's see what the actual sentencing is. He made a deal with crown so it will probably be a slap on the wrist sadly. Unfortunately I agree. He'll get some bullshit sentence. What's bullshit? Why are you so set on an American style justice system? That shit doesn't work and costs way to much.
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#8545109 - 02/05/16 02:13 PM
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I think multiple convictions/sentences are served concurrently here in Canada, so he would still do a minimal amount of time compared to rotting in jail forever for multiple sentences.
In reality, will this guy losing his licenece, job, some years in jail really effect him like a normal person anyway? Nope. He'd grow old sitting around the house on the familys money. This happened to any of us normal people, we would be fucked after we got out. Hell, Id lose my job if I even had my licenece taken away, nevermind going to jail.
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#8545629 - 02/05/16 09:01 PM
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I honestly feel this guy should just end his life for the sake of everyone. A few good points mentioned, he will never be the same, more jail time won't do shit for him, but he will still exist within us regardless.
Drinking and driving will never go away regardless of penalties simply for the fact that when you make the decision to drive you are already intoxicated and cannot reason as you would when you were sober, sure we can argue you should've figured it out before you got drunk, but i am not one to dig deep down the rabbit hole for stupidity. We need a new strategy to deal with this shit because any drunk coming out of a bar/club/friend house/private jet will not be thinking about drunk driving or its consequences because you are already fucked up. We need a different approach that's more proactive than reactive to stop this.
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#8545684 - 02/05/16 09:48 PM
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This guy is a victim of circumstance, while I don't think drinking and driving should lead to death...the way things happened this guy still killed 4 people (worst part being 3 were children) he doesn't deserve to live another day imo.
It wasn't premeditated it was careless and many of us have been careless but the outcome of his actions really should be the end of his life regardless. I don't see how you give peace to the family that's holding the short end of this stick. Sure he will be miserable forever, a bit of jail time and some house arrest, but given the grief he has caused I hope for the victim's family this guy gets taken away (death - how he is dead is irrelevant as long as he is dead). Maybe I am old fashioned, but that little bit of peace ti gives the parents will be well worth it over the long haul.
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#8604364 - 03/29/16 10:39 AM
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We need to put $$$ on if the fiancé will be around after he gets out.
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#8604391 - 03/29/16 11:07 AM
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Probably worth it for her to stick around...and also have a Tinder account for those cold winters nights.
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#8604427 - 03/29/16 11:28 AM
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Sentenced to 10 years in prison.
Also banned for driving for 12 years once he gets out.
I wonder how much time he will actually serve.
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#8604542 - 03/29/16 12:50 PM
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Will he be in PC his entire sentence? I'm sure he'll get murdered at some point. Well I hope anyways...
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#8604608 - 03/29/16 01:27 PM
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As I said before:
The best we can hope for is that Bubba will make him his bitch on day one.
After a year of that, he'll probably want to hang himself.
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#8605081 - 03/29/16 07:54 PM
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We need to put $$$ on if the fiancé will be around after he gets out.
Getting married into a family worth billions which she'll become an heiress to that mountain of gold? 10 years' wait is worth it.
What other job can you pull to get that much $ in 10 years?
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#8605082 - 03/29/16 07:54 PM
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As I said before: The best we can hope for is that Bubba will make him his bitch on day one. After a year of that, he'll probably want to hang himself.
Probably spend 3 years or less.
There will be no bubba, with the amount of money this guy has, he will probably get sent to a white collar prison. And i'm sure he can buy his way out of Bubba's rage.
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#8605152 - 03/29/16 08:40 PM
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I'd like to stay home and order hookers, just sayin'
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#8605187 - 03/29/16 09:05 PM
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#8605375 - 03/30/16 07:30 AM
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As I said before: The best we can hope for is that Bubba will make him his bitch on day one. After a year of that, he'll probably want to hang himself. There will be no bubba, with the amount of money this guy has, he will probably get sent to a white collar prison. And i'm sure he can buy his way out of Bubba's rage.
FUCK!
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#8605380 - 03/30/16 07:39 AM
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Wtf is a white collar prison?
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#8605382 - 03/30/16 07:40 AM
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Wtf is a white collar prison?
forced to be on CSI everyday in an office environment....oh wait....
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#8605391 - 03/30/16 07:52 AM
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Wtf is a white collar prison? Beavercreek in Gravenhurst. Lots of impaired drivers, dealers, theives, etc.
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#8608438 - 04/01/16 09:06 AM
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