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#8341713 - 08/26/15 11:30 AM Re: Project 1:50 half marathon failure blog post--7 weeks to go [Re: stickaz_old]
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You can't have immediate DOMS
That's a cramp, or just fatigue.

The fact your legs gave out tell me your heart/cardio system wasn't the issue. More likely your legs weren't strong enough for the abuse, or your sodium/fluid were messed up.

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#8341729 - 08/26/15 11:34 AM Re: Project 1:50 half marathon failure blog post--7 weeks to go [Re: ]
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Oic, yea I was better the next day
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#8341961 - 08/26/15 01:21 PM Re: Project 1:50 half marathon failure blog post--7 weeks to go [Re: stickaz_old]
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#8358020 - 09/09/15 09:37 AM Re: Project 1:50 half marathon failure blog post--7 weeks to go [Re: Design]
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completely off the rails at this point:
long pace runs [6,7,8 miles] are but a memory replaced by pace-runs on the treadmill and brisk 5k's in the 90*F weather.

Skipped last weeks long run too. Ended last week at like 11-12 miles lol. [was on a 25-per pace prior 4 weeks], at 6.x so far this week. Got an Oly tri on sunday so long run is out this week too, out of town next week so possibly back to the treadmill then too

#skidding_into_it

with the race on the 27th I see only [2] actual quality workouts left

on the 15th, on a bus trip I'll see if I can run 8.0 at goal pace somewhere, and on the 19th I'll get my final long run in [13-14] at 10:30 pace or something relaxing. sigh
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#8358117 - 09/09/15 10:37 AM Re: Project 1:50 half marathon failure blog post--7 weeks to go [Re: stickaz_old]
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Well at least you've got your excuses well lined up 4 weeks in advance!
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#8358125 - 09/09/15 10:43 AM Re: Project 1:50 half marathon failure blog post--7 weeks to go [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: dirtyS13drifta
Well at least you've got your excuses well lined up 4 weeks in advance!

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#8358130 - 09/09/15 10:45 AM Re: Project 1:50 half marathon failure blog post--7 weeks to go [Re: Sir Ironpool]
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[it's 17 days away, but yes, retroactively I've been creating excuses for some time now]
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#8358526 - 09/09/15 01:17 PM Re: Project 1:50 half marathon failure blog post--7 weeks to go [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: dirtyS13drifta
Well at least you've got your excuses well lined up 4 weeks in advance!


Oh snap!
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#8370662 - 09/18/15 11:43 AM Re: Project 1:50 half marathon failure blog post--7 weeks to go [Re: Design]
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last long run complete [a ~12 miler] 2 days ago

this weekend doing a race-pace run [10 miler] at 8:20/mile [my goal pace for the half]. This will be a good final test.

seem to be clearing my cold/congestion/sore throat, feeling better in the mornings now.

Just got that final 10 miler test standing before me....

time to end the excuse(s) train \:D

either way a PR seems pretty obtainable, I went 2:00:39 in SF in march this year. At last years SJ 1/2 I went 2:05:35 [blew up during mile 10 and was running 10:30 miles from there till the finish heh]

so this represents a huge jump for me in time. I feel like I've sort of abritrarily picked 1:50:00 as my goal time so we'll see. This 10 miler may prompt me to make some slight course correction(s)

trying to watch my diet extra closely [I weighed 187.5# last weekend at my gym so I'm on target], just dont want to pudge out during taper like I normally do \:D
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#8370698 - 09/18/15 12:16 PM Re: Project 1:50 half marathon failure blog post--7 weeks to go [Re: stickaz_old]
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#8371991 - 09/20/15 01:18 PM Re: Project 1:50 half marathon failure blog post--7 weeks to go [Re: Cheesegoggles]
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my balbi is ready


hit PR's in the 10-mile and 15k just now, and blitzed like ~21 PR's on the segments of the los gatos creek trail I always run. has a little vert on it compared to the SJ half course so comparing GAP here I completely nailed the goal-pace 10-miler that my coach [Dirtay] has been telling me to run for like 2 months now [goal pace 10 miler]. I never stopped for water only carried 22 oz with me and it was getting hot [probably 85 ish towards the end] and I had a single cliff block shot [200 calories] for energy. Basically I simulated race conditions other than being a little dehydrated

so hopefully when those little feelings of self doubt creep in around mile 7 or so next sunday I can remember this run \:D

/stoked
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#8372035 - 09/20/15 01:50 PM Re: Project 1:50 half marathon failure blog post--7 weeks to go [Re: stickaz_old]
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Nice job!
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#8372490 - 09/20/15 10:23 PM Re: Project 1:50 half marathon failure blog post--7 weeks to go [Re: Cheesegoggles]
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Nice job dude....these confidence boosting test runs are fm fantastic when they go well.


I think as long as your vagina doesn't get swollen during the race, you'll PR by a good margin.
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#8373165 - 09/21/15 02:40 PM Re: Project 1:50 half marathon failure blog post--7 weeks to go [Re: Sir Ironpool]
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wewt thanks. trying not to get TOO positive. Still going to be a sufferfest to scratch at/around the 1:50:xx for me based on my experience yesterday [gut check on miles 8,9,10 and really 6 and 7 too lol]

I was in uncharted pacing territory for myself since the SF half 5 months ago... I had never been that far under a 8:30 pace or so for even longer than 5 miles let alone 10

If I'm not AT I'm right around my limit for sure. Maybe as I learn to embrace suffering I can speed up next year or something but this seems to be it for now
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#8373183 - 09/21/15 03:06 PM Re: Project 1:50 half marathon failure blog post--7 weeks to go [Re: stickaz_old]
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Good job man.
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#8380147 - 09/28/15 08:43 AM Re: Project 1:50 half marathon failure blog post--7 weeks to go [Re: Design]
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welp, blew it pretty solid. This is my first time under 2h in a half tho [hit 2:00:39 official in SF this year]


offical splits:
5km 26:08 [8:24 pace]
10km 52:56 [8:31 pace overall, 8:38 delta this 5k]
15km 1:20:45 [8:57 delta pace this 5k
10mi 1:27:06 [only like 20s faster than my test run last week on a much hillier course]
13.1 1:57:38 [final 5k was a sadpanda 9:49!--but not as bas as I thought it was lol]

although the wheels didn't come off quite as badly as I thought they did. I just didnt really have anything past about mile 9... not sure what my problem was. My test 10-miler exactly one week prior I held a faster/more aggressive when grade adjusted

I have a sneaking suspicion that the ~2.5 hrs or so I spent surfing the day before this kinda sucked the life out of me [I always feel a little drained after being out in the sun all day...] uggh. I hope that had nothing to do with it.

Anyways PR'd the half, felt the first feeling of "gee, I think I'd like to quit now' right around mile 4 which I knew was a bad omen.

Around mile 9 I had to start backing off. Both mile 12 and 13 were high-high 9 minute pace ugh.

Oh well, next up is the SF half in either late mar or early apr I forget. Shooting for 1:54 there [which I think is roughly 1:51 on a flat course]
On a + note was able to cheer on meb k (2014 Boston marathon winner and Olympian) as he was on mile 11 when I was on mile 6 lol, he was in the lead with some Kenyan on his shoulder. I know he heard me lol (GO MEB!!!) \:D
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#8380164 - 09/28/15 09:02 AM Re: Project 1:50 half marathon failure blog post--7 weeks to go [Re: stickaz_old]
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Even without hitting 1:50 you still came in sub-2 and got a PR, win! Good job man! Maybe you just didn't eat enough pasta the night before. ;\)
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#8380242 - 09/28/15 10:30 AM Re: Project 1:50 half marathon failure blog post--7 weeks to go [Re: Lividentity]
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Great job! 1:50 would have been a big jump from your prior PR - nothing to be ashamed of.
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#8380538 - 09/28/15 02:09 PM Re: Project 1:50 half marathon failure blog post--7 weeks to go [Re: Cheesegoggles]
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Failed means you didn't finish, sure you didn't hit some goal you set. But fuck man, just looking at that readout, props to you.
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#8380727 - 09/28/15 04:15 PM Re: Project 1:50 half marathon failure blog post--7 weeks to go [Re: 137]
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Nice work man. Keep at it!
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#8380802 - 09/28/15 04:55 PM Re: Project 1:50 half marathon failure blog post--7 weeks to go [Re: Design]
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thanks guys. I'm also probably thinking I get what I deserve for running ~15m weeks haha [I'm like 630 miles YTD]

I'm thinking maybe 1:55 is a better goal for my next half. Also I'll do my first 70.3 next year [which also has a half marathon at the end], just hoping for like 2:10 in that hehe

maybe next year if I can get to a ~25m/week avg I can do 1:49:59 this time next year \:D
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#8380806 - 09/28/15 04:57 PM Re: Project 1:50 half marathon failure blog post--7 weeks to go [Re: stickaz_old]
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I blame VW for not meeting your target.

But seriously, that's a pretty good time.
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#8380989 - 09/28/15 07:54 PM Re: Project 1:50 half marathon failure blog post--7 weeks to go [Re: Impulsive]
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Running 15 miles a week for sub 2 hours is no joke. Hit a solid 25 miles per week/100 per month and you'll sub 1:45 all day.
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#8381749 - 09/29/15 11:53 AM Re: Project 1:50 half marathon failure blog post--7 weeks to go [Re: Lividentity]
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Few things I look forward to more on this forum, than OPs fitness posts.
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#8383500 - 09/30/15 02:02 PM Re: Project 1:50 half marathon failure blog post--7 weeks to go [Re: The Mighty BellRacer]
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I think OP's coach is most the problem...

Seriously though, great job OP.
More weekly milage(we covered this)
Run pace runs, regularly. Once a week, get used to the suffer. (we covered this)
Quit surfing the day before a race, numbnuts. I guarantee you that cost you 5 minutes. (we covered taking it easy this week too!)


Edited by dirtyS13drifta (09/30/15 02:05 PM)

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#8383749 - 09/30/15 04:39 PM Re: Project 1:50 half marathon failure blog post--7 weeks to go [Re: ]
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what he said.
If you want to run limited miles then you need to be running smart, no junk miles.
Check out this article my coach wrote.
http://trailrunnermag.com/training/speed/1930-how-to-get-fast
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#8384096 - 10/01/15 12:46 AM Re: Project 1:50 half marathon failure blog post--7 weeks to go [Re: Ampsman in Extremis]
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I'm all about the junk miles...or maybe it's junk food? I like them both.
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#8384193 - 10/01/15 07:31 AM Re: Project 1:50 half marathon failure blog post--7 weeks to go [Re: Ampsman in Extremis]
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read that article, thanks!

so a few things to improve, also I want to start having a rest week here and there. Guess I shouldnt complain about being burnt out but I didnt really take any weeks off and I felt like I was perpetually sore every.single.monday for the entire year since my long-slow-run was always sunday. then I'd roll into a day for junk miles I think because of that...
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#8386278 - 10/02/15 11:06 AM Re: Project 1:50 half marathon failure blog post--7 weeks to go [Re: Ampsman in Extremis]
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 Originally Posted By: ampsman
what he said.
If you want to run limited miles then you need to be running smart, no junk miles.
Check out this article my coach wrote.
http://trailrunnermag.com/training/speed/1930-how-to-get-fast



To clarify?
No junk miles, but you still have a long slow run. It's deliberately long and slow. It's not junk though.

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#8605744 - 03/30/16 11:18 AM Re: Project 1:50 half marathon failure blog post--7 weeks to go [Re: ]
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update: 4 days out [apr 3]

RnR SF half attempt 2, last year 2:00:39. Earlier in this thread I see I was thinking of pegging 1:55:00 as my goal for the next SF RnR. Nah... :p, that's now plan 'B'

hopefully lessons learned/fitness improved and although my goal isn't sub 1:50:00 on this hilly course, it's pretty close. Shooting for 1:52:00

I've averaged only 21mpw this year which included [2] burnout weeks, a vacation or 2, and only a few times hitting 30mpw so this is probably a more realistic assesment of where I'm at. Compared to last year at this point though I was only at 16 mpw though, so I'm up a little bit anyways.

Hopefully some of the advice here I can put into action [run by feel], I think some of my pace runs [running at goal half pace for 8-ish miles] have taught me what running at/slightly above goal pace feels like. I also learned a good lesson on bonking when I blew up on one of these earlier.

Other than that I will pay attention to my HR--at least in the early goings, and I'm looking to avoid entering zone 5 before about mile 8 ideally. Whenever I've gotten in trouble in a race at this distance it seems I've entered zone 5 at/around mile 4 or even earlier.

So to placate my tender vagina my plan involves hitting the first 4-5 miles at roughly ~8:40 pace /effort wise [so on course even slower due to the biggest hill sitting at mile 1]. From there if its a good day to bring it down casually and try to finish strong over the final 5 which is something that historically I manage to fail at owing pacing problems or just having a bad day or who knows. My PR at this distance is just from an ordinary training run [1:53:nn] on a trail near me 3 months ago so I figure my goal pace is do-able I just have to be smart about the pacing and not a slave to my watch. Also got to buffer in nearly :60s for that final hill at mile 11 [another 200' er] and to pay attention to the delta at the mile 10 clock on course with what my watch is telling me my ET is --to account for non-shortest path on course overages and any GPS oddities--the big buildings do tend to screw things up.

So I've got this GAP-based mile split chart that I used to ballpark what proper pacing would look like for me based on altitude adjustment but I've thrown it out. The only one I'm remembering is I want to hit mile 1 at 9:40 [try not to laugh lol, it has a 200' hill on it, so thats about right for my goal if not a little fast still]. Other than that just want to make a mental note of where the hills are and to try and run it by feel while trying to take care to stay out of zone 5 HR until at least mile 7. Preferably 8 or even 9 though.
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#8605873 - 03/30/16 12:12 PM Re: Project 1:50 half marathon failure blog post--7 weeks to go [Re: schtickaz.ai]
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#8607501 - 03/31/16 01:03 PM Re: Project 1:50 half marathon failure blog post--7 weeks to go [Re: Design]
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jesus christ dude, just fucking run.
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#8607898 - 03/31/16 05:31 PM Re: Project 1:50 half marathon failure blog post--7 weeks to go [Re: Ampsman in Extremis]
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I'm so ashamed
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