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#8337595 - 08/23/15 03:44 PM Sony A7
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Does anyone have any personal experience with it? I'd like the A7R but I can't afford that right now.

I'm leaning towards the A7 and was just curious if anyone had some first hand experience with it.

Thanks
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#8337993 - 08/23/15 11:16 PM Re: Sony A7 [Re: Mx. sdoMorP]
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I have the A7R. I love the EVF, I love that you can use almost any lens ever on it. I will be getting the R2 for the AF performance. I don't think I have any use for the extra pickles, but I suppose that could be handy.

What's your price range? Do you need full frame? You might also consider micro four-thirds, the lens system is pretty fleshed out.

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#8338018 - 08/23/15 11:46 PM Re: Sony A7 [Re: Mx. sdoMorP]
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A7 or A7ii?

I've only played with them in my local camera shop so far. Amazingly lightweight and pretty compact, like a Olympus OMD EM1 and Nikon D810 had a baby. The Zeiss 24-70 f4 and 70-200 f4 are equally impressive in terms of weight and handling. Pretty sure the 70-200 weighs less than my DA* 50-135 f2.8, which is already lighter than a CaNikon 70-200 f2.8. Focus peaking in the EVF for manual focus is pretty pimp. The IQ from what I've seen online is as good as everyone else's frontline cameras if not better. The 5-axis IBIS has to work at least as well as it does in my Pentax, which is to say it's awesome.

I'd be tempted to get the three Zeiss zooms (16-35, 24-70, 70-200), the Alpha-FE adapter to use the Tamron 150-600 for long reach, and a K/m42 to FE adapter to play with good old MF primes.
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#8338047 - 08/24/15 12:05 AM Re: Sony A7 [Re: skierd]
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I use all my old Canon lenses, and I'm thinking about culling my bag quite a bit and just traveling with the Canon 16-35 (everything I've read puts it a bit ahead of the Zeiss), the 55 1.8, and the Batis 25 and 85. If they came out with a 1.4 TC and some extension tubes I think that's all I'd need.

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#8338414 - 08/24/15 10:25 AM Re: Sony A7 [Re: tylerdurden]
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 Originally Posted By: tylerdurden
I have the A7R. I love the EVF, I love that you can use almost any lens ever on it. I will be getting the R2 for the AF performance. I don't think I have any use for the extra pickles, but I suppose that could be handy.

What's your price range? Do you need full frame? You might also consider micro four-thirds, the lens system is pretty fleshed out.


I'd love to get the A7R but it's about $1,300 more and I just can't justify that right now for a hobby.

When's the R2 coming out? Maybe I'm confused!

I'm looking at around $1,500 price range with a lens. I will upgrade later. The one thing I didn't like about the A7 is the use of an adapter with other common lenses which I've heard is ok with some and not the best with others. I could be wrong about that as well.

I don't need a full frame, I just figured it would be better for lens options. I want to shoot a lot of wide angle photos.

Learn me on the micro four-thirds....I'm unfamiliar.

I have the Sony NEX-6 and my understand is FE lenses will work on that too so if I get the A7 that would be handy but it's not crucial.
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#8338424 - 08/24/15 10:31 AM Re: Sony A7 [Re: Mx. sdoMorP]
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Can't beat this price either.

http://americancameracompany.com/index.php?id_product=348&controller=product

http://americancameracompany.com/index.php?id_product=347&controller=product

I just can't make up my mind!!!

I was leaning towards the Canon 5D Mark III but that's really expensive!
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#8338449 - 08/24/15 10:40 AM Re: Sony A7 [Re: Mx. sdoMorP]
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The RX1 is pretty nice as well.

The A7R is better than the A7ii right?
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#8338535 - 08/24/15 11:26 AM Re: Sony A7 [Re: Mx. sdoMorP]
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If you want the 5DIII but it's too expensive, I'd suggest the 7DII. Get the Sony if you don't need fast AF. I'd go A7II over the A7R. But it all depends on what you're trying to do with it.
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#8338738 - 08/24/15 02:00 PM Re: Sony A7 [Re: busfare]
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The Sony A7 and A7R are the first generation FF mirrless cameras. The regular A7 (24mp) is $1200 ($1500 with the FE 28-70) and the A7R (36mp) is $1900 on B&H right now, body only.

The A7ii (same 24mp sensor?, new body) and A7Rii (new back lit 42mp sensor that's supposed to be amazing) are the second generation cameras with IBIS.. The A7ii is $1700 ($2000 with the FE 28-70) and the A7Rii is $3200 body only on B&H.


Pretty much every camera system has wide angle options. Aps-c, 35mm, m43, etc. As busfare said, what are you trying to do with it?
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#8338786 - 08/24/15 02:19 PM Re: Sony A7 [Re: skierd]
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Common complaint I've read is that they overheat with long exposures and video recording, which shuts them down and bricks the file it was in the process of making. Any first hand experience with those issues?
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#8339369 - 08/24/15 09:40 PM Re: Sony A7 [Re: trench301]
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 Originally Posted By: sdoMorP
 Originally Posted By: tylerdurden
I have the A7R. I love the EVF, I love that you can use almost any lens ever on it. I will be getting the R2 for the AF performance. I don't think I have any use for the extra pickles, but I suppose that could be handy.

What's your price range? Do you need full frame? You might also consider micro four-thirds, the lens system is pretty fleshed out.


I'd love to get the A7R but it's about $1,300 more and I just can't justify that right now for a hobby.

When's the R2 coming out? Maybe I'm confused!

I'm looking at around $1,500 price range with a lens. I will upgrade later. The one thing I didn't like about the A7 is the use of an adapter with other common lenses which I've heard is ok with some and not the best with others. I could be wrong about that as well.

I don't need a full frame, I just figured it would be better for lens options. I want to shoot a lot of wide angle photos.

Learn me on the micro four-thirds....I'm unfamiliar.

I have the Sony NEX-6 and my understand is FE lenses will work on that too so if I get the A7 that would be handy but it's not crucial.


The R2 is out now, but it's *way* over your budget, so who cares. $1,500 for body and a wide angle is really not going to get you anything good in full frame territory. Most of the good 16-35's are almost that much by themselves. I think you might want to really consider why you're looking at FF and see if you really *need* it. You have an APS-C body already. How do you feel you are limited by it? These days there are a ton of crop lenses, more than FF really since FF stuff is bigger, heavier, and more expensive so they're going to sell less of them.

M4/3 is a good system if you're looking to shed weight. I don't really like them just because the sensor is even smaller than your current Sony and it seems as though corner performance is dodgy on even the high quality lenses due to the sensor design. I hate soft corners.

Maybe take a look at Fuji, the XE-2 and their 10-24 would be a great combo, pretty light, and not too much over your budget. Fuji's lens line is really awesome, I'm jealous. I bought an XT-1 and a few lenses and rented the A7R (rented the Sony because I was convinced I'd like the Fuji more, based on a short time with both at my local camera shop), but to my surprise I loved the files coming out of the Sony and I thought the EVF and especially the focus aids were a lot more confidence inspiring on the Sony. Sometimes I'd be in magnified focus on the Fuji and still not be sure I'd nailed focus. That doesn't happen on the Sony.

So I'd really recommend spending a few hours in your LCS, or maybe even renting some shit and hitting the streets to see what you like best.

 Originally Posted By: sdoMorP
The RX1 is pretty nice as well.

The A7R is better than the A7ii right?


The R is better for pixel peepers like me due to the lack of an AA filter. Seriously, looking at files from this camera at 100% on a retina display makes me want to lick the screen. The 72 is better for . . . pretty much all else. Better AF, IBIS, better grip and ergonomics.

The RX1 is more of a moderate wide angle. It's a great camera and a great lens, but it's a niche product. Maybe look at the RX10?

 Originally Posted By: sdoMorP
Can't beat this price either.

http://americancameracompany.com/index.php?id_product=348&controller=product

http://americancameracompany.com/index.php?id_product=347&controller=product

I just can't make up my mind!!!

I was leaning towards the Canon 5D Mark III but that's really expensive!


Buyer beware man. I buy from B&H or my LCS basically exclusively. Really good deals are usually really not. There are tons of shady shops hawking gray market shit with no warranty and horrible return policies. This gear is hard to make, and if you get a dud you need to be able to get a new one with minimal fuss.

 Originally Posted By: trench301
Common complaint I've read is that they overheat with long exposures and video recording, which shuts them down and bricks the file it was in the process of making. Any first hand experience with those issues?


I have had the camera shut off once or maybe twice while doing 240 exposure time lapses when it was nearing exposure 200. Pretty frustrating, but it's definitely not something that happens every time. Never had it happen with video, but I don't shoot much video and if I do it's short clips. Never done a super long exposure either, I think two minutes is probably the longest I've done, no issues. YMMV.

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#8340057 - 08/25/15 12:28 PM Re: Sony A7 [Re: tylerdurden]
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I'm worried about my NEX quitting because, well long story short my dog threw up on it while I was driving him to the hospital and it's been a bit temperamental ever since. The LCD is flickering but I know I can change that.

I think it's only a matter of time before it dies and the cost to repair it, I don't know if it will be worth it.

I just take pictures as a hobby now, when I get better it would be nice to sell some locally or something but who knows. That's farther down the road and depends on whether or not I actually get better!

I love taking landscapes and wide angle shots. What would you recommend for the widest angle lens for the NEX?

Thanks again, this is all great information. I may just wait until it does completely.
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#8340102 - 08/25/15 12:49 PM Re: Sony A7 [Re: Mx. sdoMorP]
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This any good?

http://www.buydig.com/shop/product.aspx?sku=RODS14MNEX#tabs
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#8340386 - 08/25/15 03:32 PM Re: Sony A7 [Re: Mx. sdoMorP]
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That Rokinon is a T lens. It is specialized more for video use. You can still use it for stills, but you are probably paying for features that you don't need.

The aperture wheel on it is de-clicked, meaning that it is smooth rotating versus the audible "stops" on the regular version of that lens.

That isn't a bad brand, they are the same brand as Samyang. They have great prices and well reviewed lenses. They just don't have auto focus or camera controlled aperture.

I just got a Samyang 85mm F1.4 and love it. It is really sharp for the 239 dollars I paid for it.

If you care to stick with Sony brand, they have the 16mm F2.8 lens for the NEX series. They also have a fisheye and wide angle adapters for it. I have that combo with the fisheye adapter. I really like it, my favorite setup on my NEX-5R.

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#8340398 - 08/25/15 03:40 PM Re: Sony A7 [Re: ewraven]
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I'm not stuck on song brand but I've heard mixed reviews with other brands and the e mount adapter.

How's the fisheye? I'm worried about distortion.
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#8340403 - 08/25/15 03:45 PM Re: Sony A7 [Re: Mx. sdoMorP]
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That is something I did forget to mention, that fisheye adapter does have a lot of distortion. And there isn't a profile in Lightroom to fix it automatically. The equivalent of it is roughly 10mm.
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#8340747 - 08/25/15 08:04 PM Re: Sony A7 [Re: ewraven]
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Do you have a pic you could show me by any chance?
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#8340847 - 08/25/15 09:26 PM Re: Sony A7 [Re: Mx. sdoMorP]
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Here is one with the 16mm and the fisheye adapter taken with my NEX-5R. I don't have a wide angle adapter.

There is a lot of distortion. lol

St Mary Roman Catholic Church-00876 by Josh, on Flickr

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#8340977 - 08/25/15 11:39 PM Re: Sony A7 [Re: Mx. sdoMorP]
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 Originally Posted By: sdoMorP
I'm worried about my NEX quitting because, well long story short my dog threw up on it while I was driving him to the hospital and it's been a bit temperamental ever since. The LCD is flickering but I know I can change that.

I think it's only a matter of time before it dies and the cost to repair it, I don't know if it will be worth it.

I just take pictures as a hobby now, when I get better it would be nice to sell some locally or something but who knows. That's farther down the road and depends on whether or not I actually get better!

I love taking landscapes and wide angle shots. What would you recommend for the widest angle lens for the NEX?

Thanks again, this is all great information. I may just wait until it does completely.


You're in a tough situation. The Sony 10-18 is supposed to be decent, but if you're worrying about your body being shot, maybe you do want to start over. A Nikon D7200 and Tokina 11-16 would be a sweet combo IMO, it has a fantastic sensor. It's really about state of the art in APS-C, though the EVF on the Fuji XE-2 and the Sony A77II are pretty great. The main reason I love an EVF is being able to do critical focus confirmation in any light, the D7200 would be harder to do in bright light since it's limited to Live View on the rear LCD.

Seriously, go to your LCS and spend a few hours putting different stuff through its paces.

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#8341044 - 08/26/15 01:49 AM Re: Sony A7 [Re: tylerdurden]
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See I want a wider angle lens but not a fish eye.
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#8341620 - 08/26/15 10:56 AM Re: Sony A7 [Re: Mx. sdoMorP]
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I'm thinking this is the best I'm going to get.

http://www.buydig.com/shop/product.aspx?sku=SG19F28MAK
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#8341653 - 08/26/15 11:06 AM Re: Sony A7 [Re: Mx. sdoMorP]
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That's not really all that wide. This is wider and optically better, IMO.

http://www.amazon.com/Rokinon-Ultra-Angle-E-Mount-RK12M-E/dp/B00JD4TAWI

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#8341673 - 08/26/15 11:15 AM Re: Sony A7 [Re: tylerdurden]
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Thanks! I'm leaning more towards that.

Any recommendations on a good flash and wireless transmitter for my NEX?
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#8342301 - 08/26/15 04:00 PM Re: Sony A7 [Re: Mx. sdoMorP]
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Haven't played around with flash since I went Sony.
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#8342505 - 08/26/15 05:47 PM Re: Sony A7 [Re: tylerdurden]
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I have been reading good things about the Nissin brand flashes and remotes.

I have a now discontinued METZ 52 Af-1. I like it alot. The touchscreen is a nice touch on it.

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#8342834 - 08/27/15 01:08 AM Re: Sony A7 [Re: ewraven]
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Are any wireless transmitters good?
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#8343210 - 08/27/15 10:25 AM Re: Sony A7 [Re: Mx. sdoMorP]
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I've had good luck with my Yongnuos so far. And at $30-40 each there's not a lot of risk.
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#8343525 - 08/27/15 12:38 PM Re: Sony A7 [Re: trench301]
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I've had good luck with my Yongnuos so far. And at $30-40 each there's not a lot of risk.



Yep, I actually have a set of those myself. I've only used them once, but they did great.

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#8343605 - 08/27/15 01:21 PM Re: Sony A7 [Re: ewraven]
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Excuse my ignorance but any winning combo you might suggest for the NEX 6?

Should I get manual to start or spend the extra?
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#8343635 - 08/27/15 01:42 PM Re: Sony A7 [Re: Mx. sdoMorP]
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I have a Yongnuo 560iv flash and 560tx transmitter. Both have been reliable so far, only note that the flash eats batteries so get good rechargables.
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#8344181 - 08/27/15 06:34 PM Re: Sony A7 [Re: skierd]
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Thanks
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#8344511 - 08/27/15 11:22 PM Re: Sony A7 [Re: tylerdurden]
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 Originally Posted By: tylerdurden
That's not really all that wide. This is wider and optically better, IMO.

http://www.amazon.com/Rokinon-Ultra-Angle-E-Mount-RK12M-E/dp/B00JD4TAWI


I ordered this lens and it will be here Saturday. I haven't ordered a flash yet because I haven't found a well reviewed flash AND transmitter for the Sony. I'll keep digging.
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#8344528 - 08/27/15 11:53 PM Re: Sony A7 [Re: Mx. sdoMorP]
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It doesn't have to be for Sony unless you want/need a TTL flash. The 560tx I use on my Pentax And my YashicaMat is a "Nikon" version instead of the Canon version, something about differences at the hot shoe?
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#8344529 - 08/27/15 11:54 PM Re: Sony A7 [Re: skierd]
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I won't use it for the hot shoe but does the transmitter mount up properly onto my hot shoe or is that connected via cable? The 560tx

Edited by sdoMorP (08/28/15 12:01 AM)
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#8344534 - 08/28/15 12:06 AM Re: Sony A7 [Re: Mx. sdoMorP]
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I think that's what he's using here and according to him the Canon version of the transmitter should work on my hot shoe but not the actual flash.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HcAEDmko-c
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