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#8106548 - 02/25/15 08:57 AM 5 Myths and Facts About Ontario's Updated Sex Education
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5 Myths and Facts About Ontario's Updated Sex Education Curriculum

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/karyn-pickles/ontario-sex-education-curriculum-update_b_6746012.html

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Yesterday I spent the day going over the newly released 2015 Ontario Health and Physical Education Curriculum (Elementary) with a fine-toothed comb to generate a comprehensive précis made up of every single quote that had anything to do with the "sex ed" parts.

Unfortunately, misconceptions and misinformation about this curriculum are continuing to make their way around the Internet, mostly because people seem bound and determined to willfully ignore the actual facts before forming an opinion.

So today I'm going to address the most common myths about the new curriculum.

Myth #1

Explicit sexual content, including oral and anal sex, consent, and rape will be taught to children as young as six.

Key words/phrases:
"graphic content," "young ages," "desensitizing," "innocent minds," "putting thoughts into young minds," "too young to learn about sex," "age-inappropriate content," "explicit content," "children will be taught to consent to sex," "protect our children's innocence."

Truth:

In grade one, children will be taught to identify body parts, including genitalia, using their correct terms (penis, testicles, vagina, vulva) and to recognize exploitative behaviours such as inappropriate touching. In grade two, the concept of "consent" will be introduced very broadly as the right to say "no" in threatening situations. This has been misrepresented by many critics as "teaching children the concept of consent," which is then in turn further misrepresented as "teaching children to consent to sex."

The concept of human and animal reproduction -- presented broadly as the union of the egg and sperm -- has actually been pushed back a grade, moving from grade three to grade four, and the first discussion of sexual intercourse occurs in grade five, the same as in the previous curriculum.

Masturbation is defined in grade six and characterized as normal and not harmful, but students are not "taught masturbation." A 1950s-era sex-ed video that I found in my research describes masturbation more graphically than the 2015 curriculum. Oral-genital contact and anal intercourse are discussed in grade seven. They are listed as potential sexual activities that one should consider abstaining from or delaying -- not described graphically, "taught" or offered up as alternatives to delaying vaginal intercourse. They are described as part of a comprehensive sex education curriculum, which is the only type of sex education curriculum that is proven to reduce teen pregnancy and STI infection rates and raise the age of onset of first sexual activity.

Myth #2

Children will be taught graphic information about homosexuality and gender fluidity and forced to view them as normal, accepted practice.

Key words/phrases:
"gay premier of Ontario," "homosexuality," "homosexual activities," "sick," "homosexual agenda," "Kathleen Wynne, a practicing lesbian," "family values," "personal beliefs," "neo-liberal beliefs," "lifestyle choices," "impressionable children," "gay sex acts," "gender fluidity," "gender expression," "gender is determined by your sex organs," "gender identity," "choose to change gender."

Truth:

In the 2015 curriculum, children will be taught to respect people's differences. Starting in grade three, they will be introduced to the concepts of gender identity and sexual orientation as invisible characteristics; other examples include learning abilities, allergies, and cultural values. The teacher prompt for this topic includes "Give me some examples or things that make each person unique," to which an example student response is "We all come from different families. Some students live with two parents. Some live with one parent. Some have two mothers or two fathers. Some live with grandparents or with caregivers. We may come from different cultures. We also have different talents and abilities and different things that we find difficult to do."

Yes, the fact that we must treat everyone with respect regardless of their personal characteristics is emphasized throughout the curriculum. Yes, the concept of same-sex relationships and gender identity are introduced in grade three and treated as normal. That's because, under the laws of this country in which we live, we must treat everyone with respect regardless of their personal characteristics, and same-sex relationships are normal and gender expression is protected by law (here and here). It really doesn't get any more cut and dry than that.

Entrenching the pretense that LGBTQ people simply don't exist in our public school system is discriminatory. Saying that it's not the statistical norm to be in a same-sex relationship and therefore we don't have to talk about it a curriculum that covers human relationships would be akin to saying, "Well, 80 per cent of our school's population identifies as Canadian, so what's the point in learning world geography? Consider the risk that students will be influenced by it and want to become Japanese."

If your personal values do not line up with the laws of Canada, it is your right to impart those beliefs to your children at home, but your children will be required to be versed in and abide by those laws while in the public school system.

Myth #3

This curriculum was designed by a pedophile.

Key words/phrases:
"Ben Levin," "Benjamin Levin," "child pornographer," "should want to distance themselves," "alleged child molester."

Truth:

It is very unfortunate that a man charged with multiple counts relating to child pornography had a hand in developing the failed 2010 curriculum. This does not change the fact that the current curriculum is outdated by almost two decades and in dire need of updating. It probably would have been the easier choice for the government to leave the curriculum issue alone for a few more years to let people forget about Ben Levin before quietly reintroducing it (or not bothering at all), but they chose to persevere with the new curriculum.

Many other people, including education, child development, and policy experts, as well as 4,000 heads of school parent councils across Ontario, were involved in developing the 2015 curriculum, Levin NOT included. The proposed changes are research-supported and intended to make children less vulnerable to exploitation, including over the Internet.

Pedophiles, child pornographers, and child molesters, in fact, are the ones who would benefit MOST from the older curriculum remaining in place.

Myth #4

Parents are being forced to accept a curriculum they had no say in.

Key words/phrases:
"force-fed," "police state," "not comfortable," "opt out," "not in agreement," "forced upon us," "right to our beliefs," "freedom of speech," "should have a democratic poll," "majority disagree," "catering to the minority."

Truth:

Parents can choose to remove their children from all or part of the Physical and Health Education curriculum. Children whose parents make this choice are usually kept home or supervised in the library or another part of the school while the class takes place. In fact, the public education system is not mandatory. While the United Nation Convention on the Rights of a Child recognizes a child's right to an education, the Ontario Education Act states that a child is excused from attendance at school if they are receiving satisfactory instruction at home or elsewhere. This means that you are free to withdraw your child from the public school system provided you are committed to educating them at home or within the private school system.

As to the second point, having no say, a) this curriculum is being implemented by the Ontario Ministry of Education, a Ministry of the democratically elected Government of Ontario; and b) the process of creating this curriculum included consultation with 4,000 chairs of parent councils (i.e. parents who were democratically elected to chair parent councils in each of 4,000 schools across Ontario).

Myth #5

It's up to parents to teach their children these concepts, not the schools.

Key words/phrases:
"why aren't they teaching math," "what happened to the 3 Rs," "when did this become the school's responsibility," "underfunded and understaffed school," "these kids can't read or write but they know about sex," "this is the parent's job," "my child should learn about this from me."

Truth:

Sexual education has been taught in schools FOREVER. Seriously -- here's a direct quote from this 1950s sex-ed film: "You can cause an ejaculation by yourself too, by masturbating -- rubbing the penis. Sometimes you hear that masturbation affects your mind or your manhood. It isn't true. For kids your age, it's just something normal." We're talking Wally and the Beave here. This is nothing new. Depending on how old you are, it might have been putting condoms on bananas, or a filmstrip in a dark classroom. Maybe the boys and girls were split up, maybe they stayed together? But you learned it.

Very little has actually changed from the previous curriculum in terms of what is actually being taught. There have been major, necessary updates in keeping with law and technology -- changes to marriage equality, social media and digital safety. The main difference between this and the 1998 curriculum is that the 2015 curriculum includes much more detail. Where the 1998 curriculum provided broad topics and left it to the discretion of the individual teacher to interpret them, the 2015 curriculum actually makes it EASIER for parents to see and understand exactly what their children will be learning in school. By providing the detailed concepts and teaching prompts, the curriculum makes it clear what information teachers are expected to provide and makes the curriculum less susceptible to the teacher's intentional or unintentional biases.

The curriculum (both 2015 and 1998) also indicates that students should seek guidance from trusted adults in their lives, such as parents, doctors, elders, or religious leaders, when considering sexual choices, supporting the rights of parents to influence their children's values and beliefs when it comes to making decisions. Just as ever before, the 2015 curriculum provides the basic facts, at developmentally appropriate ages, leaving moral judgments at home.

I don't really know how many more ways I can say it. Educate yourself. Get the facts. Don't be influenced by hyperbole.

And then support the 2015 Ontario Health and Physical Education Curriculum.

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#8106574 - 02/25/15 09:14 AM Re: 5 Myths and Facts About Ontario's Updated Sex Education [Re: Wildout]
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Myth #6

People like Kathleen Wynne.

Truth:

Nobody likes Kathleen Wynne.
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#8106663 - 02/25/15 10:11 AM Re: 5 Myths and Facts About Ontario's Updated Sex Education [Re: 4Three]
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#8106667 - 02/25/15 10:16 AM Re: 5 Myths and Facts About Ontario's Updated Sex Education [Re: SuPeR-MaRiO]
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just put the kid on CSI OT to learn, they'll be fine....

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#8106831 - 02/25/15 11:29 AM Re: 5 Myths and Facts About Ontario's Updated Sex Education [Re: Screamin Type ARGH!]
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i have no kid, so maybe it's due to lack of emotional attachment.
but i have no issues with the new sex ed curriculum. There isn't anything wrong with having a more progressive education. Education needs to advance, as accessibility to everything else becomes so much easier. Different world mang.
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#8106947 - 02/25/15 12:15 PM Re: 5 Myths and Facts About Ontario's Updated Sex Education [Re: 4age]
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 Originally Posted By: 4age
i have no kid, so maybe it's due to lack of emotional attachment.
but i have no issues with the new sex ed curriculum. There isn't anything wrong with having a more progressive education. Education needs to advance, as accessibility to everything else becomes so much easier. Different world mang.


damn, all this from a virgin? not bad! XP
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#8106969 - 02/25/15 12:23 PM Re: 5 Myths and Facts About Ontario's Updated Sex Education [Re: 4age]
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imagine if someone was elected to be your cycling coach proceeds to tell you that it's fine to pedal in squares or down stroke only, hunched over at the mid-back and elbows locked straight, with positive 17degree 100mm stem, 65 rpm cadence and rocking hips. gasp! hey, we all understand that these things happen, and we accept it, but we don't necessarily want it for ourselves, nor do we want people preaching to us that it's good form. \:D

teaching children to be accepting of differences doesn't have to be limited to differences in sexual orientation. it's a general lesson in morality and values. i'd much rather we have a curriculum focused on that. maybe we'd raise kids to actually be respectful again. teaching about anal or sexting or whatever is really a band-aid fix for a systemic problem where today's kids are generally assholes.
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#8106990 - 02/25/15 12:36 PM Re: 5 Myths and Facts About Ontario's Updated Sex Education [Re: 4Three]
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 Originally Posted By: 4Three
imagine if someone was elected to be your cycling coach proceeds to tell you that it's fine to pedal in squares or down stroke only, hunched over at the mid-back and elbows locked straight, with positive 17degree 100mm stem, 65 rpm cadence and rocking hips. gasp! hey, we all understand that these things happen, and we accept it, but we don't necessarily want it for ourselves, nor do we want people preaching to us that it's good form. \:D

teaching children to be accepting of differences doesn't have to be limited to differences in sexual orientation. it's a general lesson in morality and values. i'd much rather we have a curriculum focused on that. maybe we'd raise kids to actually be respectful again. teaching about anal or sexting or whatever is really a band-aid fix for a systemic problem where today's kids are generally assholes.


ZOMG DAT CONTEXT!
I VEHEMENTlY DISAGREE WITH THIS NEW CURRICULUM.

But wait - the values thing aside, education on sex in general is the right thing to do. Sooo why is it bad to teach like, names of body parts in gr1? Or like, talking openly about orientation and the like? That is an ok thing to do if we want to move away from heavily biased judgement calls based on little known info/experiences.

Are we talking about the same thing here? @_@
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#8107132 - 02/25/15 02:11 PM Re: 5 Myths and Facts About Ontario's Updated Sex Education [Re: 4age]
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as far as orientation goes, there's still a heavy tie to values. i don't think that we can make that separation. i feel it's a matter for the parents to talk to their kids about. as for the proper name of body parts, have at it. i don't care what names kids use, it still makes me laugh when i hear them say it.

personally, i feel there is a big emotional component to a lot of these sex issues, and that's something kids can't grasp at such a young age. if we treat the issues too callously, without proper emotional context, then there's a chance that down the road, they'll make some poor choices that they can't retract. and it's doubly dangerous if the world is going in a direction where people have less respect for one another, and themselves; while everyone is so focused on instant gratification, so they're rushing decisions without proper consideration.
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#8107272 - 02/25/15 03:39 PM Re: 5 Myths and Facts About Ontario's Updated Sex Education [Re: 4Three]
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You can opt out if it's that horrible to your kid
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#8107298 - 02/25/15 03:52 PM Re: 5 Myths and Facts About Ontario's Updated Sex Education [Re: Euphoricuck]
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they should revamp the school system to include financial planning and grammar before dicking around with sex ed.

priorities are fucked.

/no pun intended
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#8107767 - 02/25/15 09:11 PM Re: 5 Myths and Facts About Ontario's Updated Sex Education [Re: Euphoricuck]
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i just might opt out. but before it gets to that, i'd prefer a referendum or at least a poll of parents to suggest whether or not these changes are wanted in the first place. none of the parents I know are excited for it. most are opposed while the rest are indifferent. if the government is so confident that this is what the people want, take it to a vote.

and while i respect that everyone has an opinion, IMHO, if you don't have a kid, you don't really have any skin in the game, and it really shouldn't concern you.
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#8107820 - 02/25/15 09:34 PM Re: 5 Myths and Facts About Ontario's Updated Sex Education [Re: 4Three]
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#8107824 - 02/25/15 09:36 PM Re: 5 Myths and Facts About Ontario's Updated Sex Education [Re: 355-Si]
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It's my Wynne-like diversion tactic.

Bribe scandal? Lets refocus everybody on the controversial sex-ed thingie.
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#8107886 - 02/25/15 10:31 PM Re: 5 Myths and Facts About Ontario's Updated Sex Education [Re: 4Three]
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 Originally Posted By: 4Three
and it really shouldn't concern you.
thats asinine
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#8108200 - 02/26/15 08:55 AM Re: 5 Myths and Facts About Ontario's Updated Sex Education [Re: Euphoricuck]
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I think it's a good idea, but grade 3 for some of this shit? Really?
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#8108315 - 02/26/15 10:00 AM Re: 5 Myths and Facts About Ontario's Updated Sex Education [Re: Euphoricuck]
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 Originally Posted By: 4Three
and it really shouldn't concern you.
thats asinine


please elaborate. please tell me how what other people's kids are learning will impact your life more than it does theirs ...
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#8108337 - 02/26/15 10:10 AM Re: 5 Myths and Facts About Ontario's Updated Sex Education [Re: 4Three]
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are you trolling or have you gone full mommy brain?
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#8108342 - 02/26/15 10:11 AM Re: 5 Myths and Facts About Ontario's Updated Sex Education [Re: 4Three]
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how many parents do we have on CSi? and how many DINKs are on CSi-ON? IMO, DINKs or SINKs really have no input on this manner bc it doesnt really affect them.
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#8108416 - 02/26/15 10:47 AM Re: 5 Myths and Facts About Ontario's Updated Sex Education [Re: c2k]
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 Originally Posted By: c2k
how many parents do we have on CSi? and how many DINKs are on CSi-ON? IMO, DINKs or SINKs really have no input on this manner bc it doesnt really affect them.


I believe 4three's point is different from this statement.
He is saying parents will be affected most greatly by this change. But he did not say that if you do not have a kid, you will not be affected.

Just because you are a DINK doesn't mean you don't live in a world without kids. Relatives(niece, nephew, cousin etc), friends (new babies etc). It would be completely ignorant to say that the curriculum has no affect on singles and/or couples who do not have kids. The affect is less, but the affect is still relevant.
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#8108445 - 02/26/15 11:02 AM Re: 5 Myths and Facts About Ontario's Updated Sex Education [Re: 4age]
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I'll admit, I had to lookup "DINK".
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#8108471 - 02/26/15 11:12 AM Re: 5 Myths and Facts About Ontario's Updated Sex Education [Re: 4age]
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 Originally Posted By: 4age
But he did not say that if you do not have a kid, you will not be affected.

thats exactly what he said.

it affects everyone. To suggest you shouldnt care is beyond stupid... Its akin to the "if you have nothing to hide..." bullshit imo.

it takes a village...
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#8108528 - 02/26/15 11:48 AM Re: 5 Myths and Facts About Ontario's Updated Sex Education [Re: Euphoricuck]
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 Originally Posted By: Euphoric
 Originally Posted By: 4age
But he did not say that if you do not have a kid, you will not be affected.

thats exactly what he said.
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That's what I thought too. But he clarified after you challenged him with the "that's asinine" comment XD

His response:

 Originally Posted By: 4Three

please tell me how what other people's kids are learning will impact your life more than it does theirs ...


*more than it does theirs*
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#8108529 - 02/26/15 11:49 AM Re: 5 Myths and Facts About Ontario's Updated Sex Education [Re: Euphoricuck]
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4age is correct. that's why i said everyone should be allowed their opinion. euphoric, you took the last bit of my statement but if you read the whole sentence objectively, you'll see. today's kids are tomorrow's adults. so at some point, they'll be everyone's concern. but when they are kids, obviously it's the parents duty to deal with 90% of the stuff that happens. in that sense, the parents have the most at stake. other can come up with all sorts of theories and ideas and if it doesn't work out, they can casually wipe their hands clean and move on. parents don't have that option.
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#8108538 - 02/26/15 11:57 AM Re: 5 Myths and Facts About Ontario's Updated Sex Education [Re: 4Three]
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Thanks for clarification.

Though for all the active parents involved in their kids learning and development, there are that many more who leave it to the school/take minimal part in it. You may see no excuse for it and I agree, but its just how it is. Better the kids learn these things in a structured school environment compared to redtube and chatroulette.

The masses do need hand holding. And as it has been pointed out already, you can OPT OUT if you want to leave that education between you and your kid(s).
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#8108544 - 02/26/15 12:01 PM Re: 5 Myths and Facts About Ontario's Updated Sex Education [Re: 4Three]
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While I understand that parents are the primary group whose opinions should be considered over those without kids I think it's a pretty short sighted view. I'd rather consider the opinions of those who are actually well educated and understand the implications of these changes regardless if they are parents or not..because we all know there are a ton of idiot parents that have no idea what they are doing...

This legislation is in part on the table because of the lack of education FROM parents.

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#8108560 - 02/26/15 12:09 PM Re: 5 Myths and Facts About Ontario's Updated Sex Education [Re: Risky Business]
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This legislation is in part on the table because of the lack of education FROM parents.


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#8108587 - 02/26/15 12:26 PM Re: 5 Myths and Facts About Ontario's Updated Sex Education [Re: Risky Business]
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It's not on the table for discussion. They are bringing it thru with a majority government when they previously had to shelve it during the minority government. Obviously it's a contentious issue. I'm sure there are some well meaning egg heads putting all this stuff together, but it's politics. Don't pretend that there isn't a hidden agenda. I only wish it was an open discussion.

well, whatever. we eventually all learn to take it anally from the government anyway. might as well start 'em early.
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#8109026 - 02/26/15 03:46 PM Re: 5 Myths and Facts About Ontario's Updated Sex Education [Re: 4age]
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 Originally Posted By: 4age
 Originally Posted By: Rinky Business

This legislation is in part on the table because of the lack of education FROM parents.


#nailedit

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