I am signing up for 3 races this year, the Keys100, Cremator 100 (back-to-back 50s Saturday/Sunday) and the Javelina Jundred. My goals will be simply to finish the Keys100 and not hate the idea of running 100 miles. Finishing the Cremator day 1 looking forward to day 2 and then finishing day 2 alive (lol). My "A" race will be the Javelina Jundred and my goal will be to go sub-24 hour.

I'm actually scared of ever doing a flat 100miler. I like having lots of excuses (hills) for walk breaks. A flat course would make me feel very guilty, lol.

I'm kinda surprised a coach would sign on with goals that ambitious.

But hell she works for Sharman, and we all know that guy makes horrible choices when it comes to his athletes.

I was expecting someone to come bust my balls at some point, haha.

I'm not exactly coming from no running background going into this. While not ridiculous I did run 1400 miles last year, and yeah I got 4 months to train for the 100. The course has a 30 hour cutoff and I am perfectly fine using up 29 hours and 59 minutes if that's what it takes to do this. My first one will certainly not be easy, lol. But I am fully confident I will be able to do it.

Also, these aren't the "hardest" ones, there is essentially no elevation on the Keys100, after all it is Florida. Not like I'm trying to run sub-24 on Hardrock with only a few months training.

I guess we'll find out if my goals are too aggressive or not. I already paid for the coaching, so I'm going to go full on into it, its all on me to do it or not do it.

Will make post later with my first couple of weeks of training, looked over it and there is some speed and hill workouts that I haven't done so that'll be interesting.

I talked to a couple people who have done flat loop 100 milers and they said it wrecked them for a long time. With trail 100's you are mixing up the terrain and using different muscles, with a flat 100 you are just pounding the same muscles over and over. You need to be in very, very good shape to do them.

what's it like DNF'ing when you're like 40+ miles from nowhere btw? just curl up in a ball and wait to die?

Again, this is just another reason I got a coach, experience is helpful.

I get the whole a flat 100 sounds tough because mentally you think you can run the whole thing. And that's something I'll have to work on, I don't train walking, I just go out and run. So I'll be taking a different approach with this.

I know it is ambitious, and possibly dumb. But that's life, I have these goals and I want to stick to them. I have no idea if I'll be able to finish, but I feel confident I can. Time will tell.

This is why I got a coach though, to get everything best for me and tailored to me. I'll be updating this with my runs and how everything goes.

I am fully expecting the race to be difficult and suck, lol. Again, this is just another reason I got a coach, experience is helpful.

Why not do a couple 50k's then a 50 miler and finally Javalina? These races aren't going anywhere.

I get the whole a flat 100 sounds tough because mentally you think you can run the whole thing. And that's something I'll have to work on, I don't train walking, I just go out and run. So I'll be taking a different approach with this.

I know it is ambitious, and possibly dumb. But that's life, I have these goals and I want to stick to them. I have no idea if I'll be able to finish, but I feel confident I can. Time will tell.

This is why I got a coach though, to get everything best for me and tailored to me. I'll be updating this with my runs and how everything goes.

I am fully expecting the race to be difficult and suck, lol. Again, this is just another reason I got a coach, experience is helpful.

I'm going to see Ian next weekend and I'm going to tell him Liza just took on a client with these goals and that he should have a good sit-down talk with her

Good luck, sir - I'll be following along with great interest!

The reason I'm doing the 100's is because I have a desire to do them. The 50k/50m versions of the races I'm doing don't interest me. I realize I may just be sealing my own fate, so to say, but, again, that's life. This is what I have my mind set to do and I'll be doing my best to achieve these goals.

I don't want to start doubting myself and second-guessing it. I plan to stay focused and stay positive.

Well plan on building your mileage slowly and doing a 100, then see if you like it and sign up for more then. You dont like marathons, dont have a desire to do 50k's or 50 milers but you think you will like 100's? I dont know man.

I feel really proud of how I’ve improved my times in just the matter of a year. I want to take at least a week off of running entirely, but not sure what I want to do next. I really want to scale back my mileage, as I was running so much for this 50k it became more of a chore and it wasn’t fun anymore. I got busy and skipped a few of my long (20+ mile) runs, partly from being away and busy and partly because I didn’t want to do them anymore. The only running goal I currently have is to do a sub-1:40 half, I just think it would be cool to do a half-marathon in under 100 minutes, no real other reason for this goal.

I get what all you guys are saying. And I appreciate the input and advice. The 50k I did was in October of 2013, so it was almost 16 months ago. Which is a long time and I'm a different person and runner since then.

I'm going to give it a few weeks to build up into. I'm not signed up for the Keys100 yet. And there is a 50 mile version of it. So I want to see if I feel over the next few weeks that I'm good with the mileage I'm doing and can build on it to be prepared for the 100, if not I can change my racing ideas. The 50 doesn't interest me very much, but the Cremator in July is 6 months of training and 2 months after the Keys100. I already had the thought of doing the Keys100 as a 50miler then the Cremator will be 100.

I decided I'd rather go after the race(s) that interest me more. But since I'm not signed up for Keys100 yet I can decide to re-evaluate that and go for the 50miler. They actually apparently are adding a 50km version as well this year.

And I also just started this coaching, literally first talk last night and doing first run of 5 miles today. I'll contact her and see what she thinks. She didn't say anything last night about it. My guess is because she figures she can get me through the race alive, which is what I want, and if I'm determined to do that race specifically then that's what we should aim for.

So that's why I don't think I'm being too insane with the idea of running a 100 miler in May.

Again, I do appreciate all the thoughts, ideas and feedback guys. Please keep it up.

First week of training:
So Friday was a slow 5 miles, Saturday is a slow 2 miles and Sunday is a half-marathon.

Second week of training:
Monday: Off
Tuesday: Goal is 5 miles - SPEED: Easy effort 1 mile, Ladder Intervals: 1min, 2min, 3min, 2min, 1min, hard effort, recover for equal time as interval between each, Remaining time easy effort
...

Hmmm...it says your last workout was back in July? Do we need to be friends for more recent stuff to show up?

And regarding the Cremator - I think I'd rather run 100 in one go than do 50s on consecutive days. Ugh. That's gonna be a fun one

I never did a whole lot of back to back long runs. The most was probably 17/12. What worked for me was pure volume every week...however I could get it. 6 or 7 runs a week and at my max I was around 80/wk. I did however use a progression of a fast marathon 6 months out, 50k 5 months out, 50 miler 4 months out, then my peak month (320 miles) two months out. That last month was still pretty high, but I was definitely worried that I peaked too soon. Turned out to be perfect for me since it gave my body a break from how hard I'd been pushing it.

Anyways, that doesnt really mean anything...other than to say there are multiple ways to skin a cat. You might as well rely on your coach since thats what youre paying her for.

I started doing my slow runs around 10:00/10:30 mile pace, I thought I started finally making some improvements in my aerobic system when I did that. No idea tho. Of course I'm not trying to run 100 miles lol

Yeah. Well the first couple weeks will be partially me figuring some stuff out, as I'd expect.

I did a slow 7 mile run last night, and was going almost too slow, was hitting 11-13 minute miles. I was pretty much just spacing out listening to an URP podcast. She said to go 60-90 seconds slower than HM pace, slower if it isn't easy. So I kind of overdid the "easy" part I think, lol. But, hey, feel good today! Going to be doing some hill repeats which should be fun.

Not sure? I upload all the time between biking and running. Send me a request and I'll accept it, have a couple of CSi guys on there.

I'm super proud of you OP and look forward to hearing how you do. Just finishing any of these things (or coming close) is a ginormo accomplishment IMHO. Kudos

Haha, cocky jackass gets what's coming to him is awesome. And man your buddy smashed that race! 7 hour PR? Wow... I'm sure that just makes him want to go sub 16 right?

It is going well and even did my hill speed work today in pouring rain, lol.

Yeah I was going to try out a man made hill that I've never run at, however, it is all just ground. So with the pouring rain, I decided that it would be a disaster there, lol.

You just do what you gotta do, right? Running up a bridge is far from the best, but it is what I have. I kind of wish it had a higher incline. The man made hill nearby does have a higher incline, but it also is really short.

Yeah I agree with what you're saying.

My longest run is the 50k I did and I had some stomach issues, so I don't want to just rely on what I did then.

I've never used S! Caps but looking them up I see they make sense. If I use them with Bloks will that be too much sodium? I know the Bloks have sodium in them as well.

I like how your plan is simple, just take some caps and some Bloks, then eat a shitload of whatever delicious stuff is in front of your face. :P

I actually bought a pack of Golden Oreo's to eat some during training, easy calories and they're tasty, get some energy and they're like a treat, sounds cool to me!

i mix it in a 100oz camelback in a ratio thats about 200calories an hour, i think i gotta put like 15 scoops in LOL then i just drink all my calories for the race haha im sure running is quite different though as i can go through 3 camelbacks in a race..im sure you cant drink that much running.

thats funny, def is a small world! what area of york? im literally right next to Heritage Hills

As long as you're hydrating like you should, you can't overdo the sodium...you'll just piss out anything your body doesn't need. It'll keep the cramps away though.

on a side note/dont want to make another thread:

is there any benefit to fore-going nutrition during a training run/ride to help train your fat-burning energy system?

I mean you want to experiment in training with your race nutrition so that you dont end up wearing it/cramping/etc right? But say for marathon-ish prep you need to kinda teach your body to burn fat and deal with zero nutrition in training or??

like I try to run for ~2 hrs on water only /noob, but in a race I'll GU it up

Yeah I need to try out the Tailwind again for sure. Thing is the nutrition stuff really only has merit on long runs, which I really only do 1 long enough a week, so its hard to test this stuff, lol.

Technically I moved to FL, but I still have a house that my Dad and Brother live in. It's in Dover off 74. Though I lived during college in York right off where 83/30 meet. I also went to college at Penn State York, which is right down the road from Heritage Hills basically, lol.

wewt good job, I hope against hope that I can see the 2:00:00 pacer next time for something other than the time we are stationary and in the corrals. That fucker takes off man! fuck that guy, seriously. He easily went out 8:45, 8:45, 8:45 just to be a dick to get out of the fray a bit I think

^update on being locked out of house on 24 miler not found^

Great to see you putting in the work man. If you keep it up like this, I think you'll have a great first hundo experience.

They were right on TRN. Those middle training weeks during a big block are hard. I remember having a rough time getting out of bed a few Saturday mornings to get up to the mountains...but I knew that by doing it it would make me stronger come race day.

The weekly mileage is dropping some due to the weekends going up so high. I've had a random issue here and there, like my hip abductor, so we don't want to stress the mileage too much, hitting 50s weekly seems ok, but 60-70 might be pretty rough on the body.

How do you powerhike when you dont have hills?

Are you doing anything about the hip? Having it look at or anything?

Also, can I ask a somewhat personal question regarding your choice of running routes? I looked at your 24 mile route on Garmin Connect and almost died just imagining it - surely there are other alternatives in your part of the world!!

How do you powerhike when you dont have hills?

I imagine 3-4 mph should be an easy pace to keep, even if feeling wrecked from the earlier week's mileage.

I might also be concerned about the absence of hills but I keep forgetting your 100 miler is a flat course. Loving the updates!

Is there any benefit to a runner in going for a long walk?

Just curious /noidea