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#8020525 - 12/26/14 12:12 PM Re: All I can say about drugs... [Re: Euphoricuck]
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 Originally Posted By: Euphoric
why oral?
id rather inject.


agreed...

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#8020934 - 12/26/14 10:42 PM Re: All I can say about drugs... [Re: DieZel]
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I'm sure its been discussed a million times but I've read injection is way better for your liver.
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#8023489 - 12/29/14 08:59 PM Re: All I can say about drugs... [Re: ScottStaypuff]
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There are some compounds that go through the liver via injection as well, but orals all do, and if you drink or take pain meds on the regular, you're asking for trouble...

If you're a healthy individual that doesn't drink doing oral cycles is not likely to cause you damage, unless you run them for too long...

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#8024516 - 12/30/14 03:47 PM Re: All I can say about drugs... [Re: DieZel]
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here's a little comparo from July to now... about 30lbs difference...


Edited by DieZel (12/30/14 03:50 PM)

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#8024526 - 12/30/14 03:50 PM Re: All I can say about drugs... [Re: DieZel]
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210 vs 240
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#8024665 - 12/30/14 05:18 PM Re: All I can say about drugs... [Re: DieZel]
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#8024803 - 12/30/14 07:25 PM Re: All I can say about drugs... [Re: WNDYCTYone]
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Fucking cannonball delts.
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#8024818 - 12/30/14 07:38 PM Re: All I can say about drugs... [Re: 65_289]
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and they should only get more stupid as i progress with the tren and i start losing bodyfat...
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#8024841 - 12/30/14 07:57 PM Re: All I can say about drugs... [Re: DieZel]
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shit ya
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#8032389 - 01/05/15 04:32 PM Re: All I can say about drugs... [Re: Euphoricuck]
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Did not try and 1RM on bench this week and decided to do some rep work...

Hit a PR of 275x8 which shocked the fuck outta me... 315 for reps will be had in 2015...

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#8034101 - 01/06/15 05:21 PM Re: All I can say about drugs... [Re: Euphoricuck]
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Hit that 230 OHP today which surprised me cause my 185 warmup set felt heavy...

Went up so well, I tried 235 but must have blown my load on the 230...

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#8037265 - 01/08/15 01:37 PM Re: All I can say about drugs... [Re: DieZel]
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Fucking went to the gym today for a push day, and had planned to attempt the 130's on incline press... goal was to hit 4, maybe 5...

ended up putting them up 8x... #fuckyeah

will upload a vid to Youtube, cause i never believe claims myself... lol

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#8037800 - 01/08/15 07:28 PM Re: All I can say about drugs... [Re: DieZel]
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Lol, this is awesome. Soon you're going to run out of weights to pick up that you're going to have to start lifting the actual racks.
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#8038142 - 01/09/15 12:50 AM Re: All I can say about drugs... [Re: WNDYCTYone]
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How many times can you rep 225 seated mil press?
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#8038766 - 01/09/15 12:07 PM Re: All I can say about drugs... [Re: It's Art]
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Art my OHP strength is not where it should be... And I never do seated, always standing... My left shoulder just doesn't have the overhead ROM it should...

Maxed out at 230 the other day but that was a full range of motion from chest to full extension... I don't half rep shit...

http://youtu.be/Yao54gOSYFA

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#8053038 - 01/20/15 01:09 PM Re: All I can say about drugs... [Re: DieZel]
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strong dude. I've always toyed with the idea of gear. Never pulled the trigger.
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#8055258 - 01/21/15 01:54 PM Re: All I can say about drugs... [Re: wolfsburg2]
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i debated it for YEARS before finally deciding to try it...

i ain't mad, aside from waiting so long... lol

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#8055297 - 01/21/15 02:08 PM Re: All I can say about drugs... [Re: DieZel]
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 Originally Posted By: DieZel


here's a little comparo from July to now... about 30lbs difference...


jesus.

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#8057181 - 01/22/15 04:47 PM Re: All I can say about drugs... [Re: 98V-TeC]
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 Originally Posted By: 98V-TeC
Pics?
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#8057615 - 01/22/15 10:09 PM Re: All I can say about drugs... [Re: ]
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Why did your head get so massive???
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#8058061 - 01/23/15 10:25 AM Re: All I can say about drugs... [Re: Sir Ironpool]
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Do chicks dig this physique?

/serious question

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#8058546 - 01/23/15 01:29 PM Re: All I can say about drugs... [Re: Sir Ironpool]
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 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Why did your head get so massive???


your face gains weight just as anywhere else... probably more of a water bloat sort of thing though as i'm down 7lbs and already look leaner in the face...

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#8058552 - 01/23/15 01:30 PM Re: All I can say about drugs... [Re: HotHB]
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 Originally Posted By: HotHB
Do chicks dig this physique?

/serious question


i still look fairly average as my height doesn't make me look hooooge... my girl likes it, but she said that she does not find the mass monster look attractive...

once i lean out i'll still have an aesthetic physique and not going to be all large and bulky...

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#8059962 - 01/24/15 05:11 PM Re: All I can say about drugs... [Re: DieZel]
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I think we have different definitions of average...lol.

Fair enough, just curious.

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#8060310 - 01/25/15 12:26 AM Re: All I can say about drugs... [Re: Sir Ironpool]
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 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Why did your head get so massive???

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#8061185 - 01/25/15 10:15 PM Re: All I can say about drugs... [Re: It's Art]
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Have you see gains in the wheels?
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#8062209 - 01/26/15 02:03 PM Re: All I can say about drugs... [Re: The Mighty BellRacer]
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I have, but not sure how much... I guess i'll see as I lean out... keep in mind my legs are somewhat hamstring dominant and I look much better from the side...


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#8062307 - 01/26/15 02:47 PM Re: All I can say about drugs... [Re: DieZel]
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#8062587 - 01/26/15 06:01 PM Re: All I can say about drugs... [Re: DieZel]
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Fucking hell.
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#8063538 - 01/27/15 11:12 AM Re: All I can say about drugs... [Re: WNDYCTYone]
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 Originally Posted By: WNDYCTYone
Fucking hell.


What he said. Holy moly.

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#8063703 - 01/27/15 12:27 PM Re: All I can say about drugs... [Re: HondaBilly]
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no shit, goddamn son.
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#8063805 - 01/27/15 01:02 PM Re: All I can say about drugs... [Re: The Mighty BellRacer]
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OP, no judgement here at all but I'm wondering...do you feel any guilt about using drugs to get your results? Is it like Lance Armstrong's stance of "everybody's doing it so I need to as well?" You've already stated that your okay with the health risks involved, so my question is more about the mental side of things.

Personally I like the fact that my results are based solely on hard work. I could take some EPO or something and be faster, or recover faster so I could train harder, but to me that would be cheating myself.


Like I said, Im not hating, Id just like to hear how you deal with those thoughts, or if you do at all.
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#8063871 - 01/27/15 01:26 PM Re: All I can say about drugs... [Re: Sir Ironpool]
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Using PED's does not automatically net you gains... you STILL have to work hard, keep diet in check etc... Taking PED's doesn't make things "easier" persay, they just allow you to push yourself beyond your non PED potential...

Look, A LOT of guys take steroids and never make any serious gains, because they are stupid about it, don't train their ass off, don't keep their nutrition in check, don't get enough rest, party too much or just genetically aren't suited for them...

Nah I don't feel guilty because I am not competing against guys that are natural... If I was "cheating" I would have a sense of guilt about it, but essentially this was just something I've considered doing for a long time, and at the end of the day the federation I plan to compete in the playing field will essentially be level...

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#8063927 - 01/27/15 01:53 PM Re: All I can say about drugs... [Re: DieZel]
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I get that they're not magic and you still have to put in the effort...but you are getting significantly larger gains on the same amount of work, right?

I appreciate the response. \:\)
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#8063952 - 01/27/15 02:09 PM Re: All I can say about drugs... [Re: Sir Ironpool]
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I've been able to probably train "harder" and with more frequency simply due to the ability to recover quicker between workouts than compared to being natty...

I'm not going to bullshit you, steroids simply make you stronger... but you have to push yourself to get the gains... I just was no longer able to put in as much effort as I used to as a natty lifter (almost 40 now)...

For a year i was unable to press over 295 essentially, and within 3 months i was pressing well over 340 with ease and was making linear gains for 2 months straight, which just does not happen as a natty...

i've somewhat leveled off with 1RM strength gains so have since switched up my training to allow for more strength gains in the 5-10 rep range which should lead to 1RM gains as well...

Now that I am cutting though I fully expect a drop off at some point (maybe week 10-12), but I'm still progressing on all lifts as if I was in a surplus...

Mind you my use is "tame"... I know guys that are taking high amounts of hgh, and upwards of 3g of steroids a week along with peptides like igf1 etc...

I use less than 1g a week, and really don't have the desire to go full retard on the stuff, and add hgh, insulin, etc...

1. because that shit is expensive, and i'm doing this for "fun"
2. at some point I have to imagine that putting ALL that stuff into your body will likely increase your risk of negative sides
3. I'm already starting to feel like people are really giving me the "eye", like "wtf is he taking"... I looked good as a natty in the gym when I was lean... adding 20lbs of muscle and being lean is an eye opener...
4. I always enjoyed the "he's on shit" comments, but now I guess that I am on shit, I worry about the legality of it from time to time and getting too big, too quickly is a red flag...

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