#7969334 - 11/18/14 08:04 PM
Re: All I can say about drugs...
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stickaz_old
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And then
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#7969418 - 11/18/14 09:23 PM
Re: All I can say about drugs...
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65_289
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What's your cycle like again?
[edit] Think I found it. 500mg test for 8 weeks, added Deca and upped test to 750 in week 9?
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#7970694 - 11/19/14 02:45 PM
Re: All I can say about drugs...
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DieZel
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Good feedback. I really don't have much urge to play in the game of trying this, balancing that, injections or finding some sort of stack etc.
I know Joey had mentioned an oral that seemed like a no compromise option. If that was truly the case, that would be something I'd consider. Pop a pill, workout, eat right and see some gains.
When I was around 230, I felt like a beefcake - thick/fat, but I hit the same numbers you are. I'd like to see similar/better numbers 30 pounds lighter myself.
it's truly very simple and you can make quality long term gains on 2 injections a week for a long time... I personally would not fuck with orals until later in the game...
some people don't even need to manage their estrogen on 500mg test, but then others certainly will have to... i seem to be in the group that hasn't had an issue... i started adding my AI just ton control water bloat (only estrogenic side effect i've seen)... but i'm vain and don't like to be too fat... lol
adding Deca to my stack has given me joint benefits, so the added strength has not been an issue for me to date... i have yet to use any drying agents which is what in turn may cause joint problems...
after my cruise i plan to add EQ and then later add the almighty tren, but i only add one thing at a time so i know if i get negative sides I can narrow it down much easier quicker vs having to decide between 2 compounds...
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#7970709 - 11/19/14 02:50 PM
Re: All I can say about drugs...
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I'm just having trouble understanding the risk vs reward here. Putting your health at risk to be able to say you lifted a certain number?
Not hating....just something I'll never understand. There's very little health risk unless you go full retard... I decided to give it a try cause I just wanted more size to compete, it wasn't about hitting a number for me... That was just a bonus...
Gotcha...didn't realize you were competing. Good luck, but please...stay safe! 
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#7970873 - 11/19/14 04:12 PM
Re: All I can say about drugs...
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65_289
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I guess it could be simple, but I don't even know all the terms being thrown around and what they do. Let alone correct dosage, how to be safe, how to monitor health and how to spot bad side effects.
Then, I'd have to find needles and a dealer for this and I'm already not comfortable. I'm not competing and never knew anyone who did, so I don't really have a circle of connected people.
I guess I'm a pussy as I don't really care to try this. If it was dead simple like order x and y on the web, then take 2/day or something, sure.
All of that information can be learned by spending time on reputable (e.g. not bodybuilding.com) forums. Syringes and needles are legal to purchase and can be bought in bulk online. Steroids can be bought online, but obviously you run the risk of seizure, arrest, or bunk gear. Sample beginner cycles are also posted on those websites.
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#7970888 - 11/19/14 04:26 PM
Re: All I can say about drugs...
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latank
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eh probably not the smartest thing to post here.
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#7970980 - 11/19/14 05:50 PM
Re: All I can say about drugs...
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I'm just having trouble understanding the risk vs reward here. Putting your health at risk to be able to say you lifted a certain number?
Not hating....just something I'll never understand. There's very little health risk unless you go full retard... I decided to give it a try cause I just wanted more size to compete, it wasn't about hitting a number for me... That was just a bonus... Gotcha...didn't realize you were competing. Good luck, but please...stay safe!
Lets do it dude! Good excuse to inject stuff in each others butts. 
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#7970989 - 11/19/14 05:55 PM
Re: All I can say about drugs...
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gamby
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While obviously sprinters were/are notorious for doping, are distance runners known for it as well (like cyclists are)?
Back in the day (like 20-25 years ago), I remember reading about all of the ligament issues as a side effect. While I'm assuming more is known about doping more "safely", that's a scary side effect for a runner.
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#7971256 - 11/19/14 09:13 PM
Re: All I can say about drugs...
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How much has it cost you the past 12 weeks? cost was about $180 over the 12 weeks... includes gear, AI, pins...
Obviously it depends on what you are taking, but I always thought in general that it cost much more than that.
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#7971319 - 11/19/14 09:49 PM
Re: All I can say about drugs...
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Steroids can be bought online, but obviously you run the risk of seizure, arrest, or bunk gear. Sample beginner cycles are also posted on those websites.
I can't even get beer shipped here, so seizure, arrest and bad drugs. Seems high risk to me.
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#7979445 - 11/24/14 05:17 PM
Re: All I can say about drugs...
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I guess it could be simple, but I don't even know all the terms being thrown around and what they do. Let alone correct dosage, how to be safe, how to monitor health and how to spot bad side effects.
Then, I'd have to find needles and a dealer for this and I'm already not comfortable. I'm not competing and never knew anyone who did, so I don't really have a circle of connected people.
I guess I'm a pussy as I don't really care to try this. If it was dead simple like order x and y on the web, then take 2/day or something, sure.
Needles are easy. You can get them at any pharmacy. My wife sold them all the time to the steroid crew when she worked community. You just need to know what guage you want and it's the same as if you were buying for your beetus.
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#7981099 - 11/25/14 01:25 PM
Re: All I can say about drugs...
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Joeyballs
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25g for pinning
23g for drawing
Yeah, though, some product takes forever to push through a 25g pin. So you have to step it up and inject with a 23g. feelsgoodman
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#7981159 - 11/25/14 02:07 PM
Re: All I can say about drugs...
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I guess it could be simple, but I don't even know all the terms being thrown around and what they do. Let alone correct dosage, how to be safe, how to monitor health and how to spot bad side effects.
Then, I'd have to find needles and a dealer for this and I'm already not comfortable. I'm not competing and never knew anyone who did, so I don't really have a circle of connected people.
I guess I'm a pussy as I don't really care to try this. If it was dead simple like order x and y on the web, then take 2/day or something, sure.
Its just an easy excuse to say "I dont know", which is fine. You have no interest in it, so its easy to say that and to avoid the whole thing. In reality a few nights(if even that) of reading up on the subject you would have a pretty good idea of whats going on.
Very easy to source locally too. Its literally everywhere. Granted you do work out at home, but Im sure your wife knows a few people who could easily hook it up.
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#7981173 - 11/25/14 02:15 PM
Re: All I can say about drugs...
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stickaz_old
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is "reed up gud on it bruh " from various swole users apparently performing their own personal uncontrolled clinical trial(s) equivalent to peer reviewed studies with randomized controlled trials demonstrating safety/efficacy? Where is the data proving the safety?
I believe the OP knows far more than I do on this topic, so am curious. [I bailed out of chem as an undergrad]
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#7981315 - 11/25/14 03:38 PM
Re: All I can say about drugs...
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Euphoricuck
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[I bailed out of chem as an undergrad]
If you really wanted to do it, the information is out there and easily understood. You dont need a PHD in chem or physiology to figure this out.
You arent synthesizing this shit in your basement.
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#7981322 - 11/25/14 03:41 PM
Re: All I can say about drugs...
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stickaz_old
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I get that it's illegal, but to prove safety you really should follow standard protocol. The person making the claims towards safety/efficacy should have abundant data to point towards. Hopefully something beyond anecdotes and selfies
FDA generally requires sample sizes for a randomized study of around ~300-500 users. 50% will be a control group. Scientific method ensues. Data is used to back up claims. Safety is paramount. Trials get cancelled when bad shit happens, participant selection across demographics is crucial as well.
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#7981364 - 11/25/14 04:22 PM
Re: All I can say about drugs...
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I get that it's illegal, but to prove safety you really should follow standard protocol. The person making the claims towards safety/efficacy should have abundant data to point towards. Hopefully something beyond anecdotes and selfies
FDA generally requires sample sizes for a randomized study of around ~300-500 users. 50% will be a control group. Scientific method ensues. Data is used to back up claims. Safety is paramount. Trials get cancelled when bad shit happens, participant selection across demographics is crucial as well.
If someone is concerned about "what" they're putting in their body, they could always buy pharmaceutical grade gear. For example, testosterone, made by actual pharma companies, not underground labs.
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#7981647 - 11/25/14 07:37 PM
Re: All I can say about drugs...
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What are you doing for blood work? I've been reading up on it and it seems PrivateMDLabs.com is the most ideal route to go, but I'm always curious to see what other people are doing/using.
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#7989756 - 12/02/14 06:28 PM
Re: All I can say about drugs...
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65_289
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Hit a couple new PR's already this week...
335 Bench
225 OHP
Fuuuuuuuuck. Nice!
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#7989862 - 12/02/14 08:00 PM
Re: All I can say about drugs...
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Jesus. You have 50 pounds on me 
That's a big boy.
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#8015196 - 12/20/14 11:41 PM
Re: All I can say about drugs...
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If I was going down a different career path, I'd definitely try some of the oral supps.
I've been stuck at the same max bench for 6 months and I just can't break that plateau. It's frustrating.
How many times a week do you bench?
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#8024516 - 12/30/14 03:47 PM
Re: All I can say about drugs...
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DieZel
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here's a little comparo from July to now... about 30lbs difference...
Edited by DieZel (12/30/14 03:50 PM)
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#8024803 - 12/30/14 07:25 PM
Re: All I can say about drugs...
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65_289
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Fucking cannonball delts. 
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#8038766 - 01/09/15 12:07 PM
Re: All I can say about drugs...
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DieZel
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Art my OHP strength is not where it should be... And I never do seated, always standing... My left shoulder just doesn't have the overhead ROM it should...
Maxed out at 230 the other day but that was a full range of motion from chest to full extension... I don't half rep shit...
http://youtu.be/Yao54gOSYFA
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#8053038 - 01/20/15 01:09 PM
Re: All I can say about drugs...
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strong dude. I've always toyed with the idea of gear. Never pulled the trigger.
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#8058061 - 01/23/15 10:25 AM
Re: All I can say about drugs...
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Do chicks dig this physique?
/serious question
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#8059962 - 01/24/15 05:11 PM
Re: All I can say about drugs...
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I think we have different definitions of average...lol.
Fair enough, just curious.
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#8060310 - 01/25/15 12:26 AM
Re: All I can say about drugs...
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It's Art
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#8061185 - 01/25/15 10:15 PM
Re: All I can say about drugs...
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Have you see gains in the wheels?
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#8062209 - 01/26/15 02:03 PM
Re: All I can say about drugs...
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DieZel
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I have, but not sure how much... I guess i'll see as I lean out... keep in mind my legs are somewhat hamstring dominant and I look much better from the side...
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#8062307 - 01/26/15 02:47 PM
Re: All I can say about drugs...
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#8063538 - 01/27/15 11:12 AM
Re: All I can say about drugs...
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#8063703 - 01/27/15 12:27 PM
Re: All I can say about drugs...
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no shit, goddamn son.
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#8063871 - 01/27/15 01:26 PM
Re: All I can say about drugs...
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DieZel
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Using PED's does not automatically net you gains... you STILL have to work hard, keep diet in check etc... Taking PED's doesn't make things "easier" persay, they just allow you to push yourself beyond your non PED potential...
Look, A LOT of guys take steroids and never make any serious gains, because they are stupid about it, don't train their ass off, don't keep their nutrition in check, don't get enough rest, party too much or just genetically aren't suited for them...
Nah I don't feel guilty because I am not competing against guys that are natural... If I was "cheating" I would have a sense of guilt about it, but essentially this was just something I've considered doing for a long time, and at the end of the day the federation I plan to compete in the playing field will essentially be level...
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#8063952 - 01/27/15 02:09 PM
Re: All I can say about drugs...
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I've been able to probably train "harder" and with more frequency simply due to the ability to recover quicker between workouts than compared to being natty...
I'm not going to bullshit you, steroids simply make you stronger... but you have to push yourself to get the gains... I just was no longer able to put in as much effort as I used to as a natty lifter (almost 40 now)...
For a year i was unable to press over 295 essentially, and within 3 months i was pressing well over 340 with ease and was making linear gains for 2 months straight, which just does not happen as a natty...
i've somewhat leveled off with 1RM strength gains so have since switched up my training to allow for more strength gains in the 5-10 rep range which should lead to 1RM gains as well...
Now that I am cutting though I fully expect a drop off at some point (maybe week 10-12), but I'm still progressing on all lifts as if I was in a surplus...
Mind you my use is "tame"... I know guys that are taking high amounts of hgh, and upwards of 3g of steroids a week along with peptides like igf1 etc...
I use less than 1g a week, and really don't have the desire to go full retard on the stuff, and add hgh, insulin, etc...
1. because that shit is expensive, and i'm doing this for "fun"
2. at some point I have to imagine that putting ALL that stuff into your body will likely increase your risk of negative sides
3. I'm already starting to feel like people are really giving me the "eye", like "wtf is he taking"... I looked good as a natty in the gym when I was lean... adding 20lbs of muscle and being lean is an eye opener...
4. I always enjoyed the "he's on shit" comments, but now I guess that I am on shit, I worry about the legality of it from time to time and getting too big, too quickly is a red flag...
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#8064516 - 01/27/15 07:42 PM
Re: All I can say about drugs...
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Once you're off the cycle, how long can/will you go before needing/wanting to use again?
Do you keep the gains from being on the cycle as long as you keep working in the gym, or will you eventually lose them and become long-term dependent if you want to retain your current peak?
If it's the latter, have you thought about your long-term (years) plan? No judgement from me, I'm curious what the usual approach is, and how you plan on tackling it.
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#8077472 - 02/04/15 02:04 PM
Re: All I can say about drugs...
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DieZel
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updated pic from this morning... hanging around 233 this week, but i think i'm looking leaner, so i'm most likely recomping which is why my scale isn't really moving this week... DRUGS... lol
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#8092316 - 02/13/15 10:49 PM
Re: All I can say about drugs...
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hit 280x8 today on bench, another PR... really wanted 9 to match the 275x9 I had on my last 5+ cycle of the 531, but I ain't mad at 8 reps...
Shooting for 315 for at least a triple in like 5 weeks... Would be great as I would think i should be at a bodyweight of about 225ish or less by then...
Not a gargantuan strength feat, but easily a huge PR for me, and my monkey arms...
Man looking at you I would have guessed you were a 400lb bencher easy but I know you've said that you struggle with that lift.
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#8099803 - 02/19/15 03:09 PM
Re: All I can say about drugs...
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Oh and Joeyballs you might be interested to know i'm up to 700mgs of tren now... pinning 1cc ed... lol
either i got some bunk tren or my body loves it, cause i'm getting like zero negative sides...
Holy shit man... At 700mg I'd have some crazy side effects.
Is your urine rust colored? Night sweats?
With almost every Tren cycle I've been on I've had night sweats, darker urine, shortness of breath (sometimes), and a irritability. Is yours from a homemade lab or an actual brand?
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#8100431 - 02/19/15 11:03 PM
Re: All I can say about drugs...
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The Mighty BellRacer
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Gotta pump blood to feed all that muscle, right? The resistance to the blood flow is low because vascular.
I'm being serious, btw.
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#8100486 - 02/20/15 12:38 AM
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Only side i think i'm getting is an increased resting heart rate in the 90's
That would literally keep me awake at night (my resting is high 50s/low 60s)
The results are amazing tho. 
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#8111916 - 02/28/15 06:31 PM
Re: All I can say about drugs...
[Re: DieZel]
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stickaz_old
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Registered: 02/04/01
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Loc: Nor Cal, Hella hurr durr
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still have liver function?
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that doesn't sound good. 
