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#7922474 - 10/20/14 02:20 PM Re: steroid use at your gym [Re: TexasSI]
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 Originally Posted By: TexasSI
Going back a bit...
So should I not waste my whole life trying to achieve traps/shoulders like that huge mf on page 9. Is it really a matter of juicing. I pound and work on shoulders HARD and have yet to get them any where close to my ears. Sad if no...but I definitely recognize the cheaters at the gym now lol. If no juice, genetics. I need them


trap insertions are genetic... and if they don't insert high on your neck you ain't gonna get that look bro...

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#7922510 - 10/20/14 02:43 PM Re: steroid use at your gym [Re: DieZel]
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oh drugs are bad kids, do not do them...

brb going to attempt 325 bench... #rip

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#7922741 - 10/20/14 05:15 PM Re: steroid use at your gym [Re: DieZel]
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Youre juicing now?
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#7922874 - 10/20/14 06:36 PM Re: steroid use at your gym [Re: It's Art]
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Yeah...

I'm old enough that trying to make any more gains naturally is futile... I've been plateaued at 295 for so long and was unable to hit 300 for months on end...

Just hit a 320 tonight...

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#7922903 - 10/20/14 07:03 PM Re: steroid use at your gym [Re: DieZel]
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Nice.

Whats your cycle like?

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#7923050 - 10/20/14 08:53 PM Re: steroid use at your gym [Re: It's Art]
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Ran 8 weeks of test-c 500mg

Added deca at week 9 600mg and upped test to 750mg cause running deca you should run higher test...

I'm in week 10, went from 212-232 over that period but have been hovering around 231-232 last 4 weeks and an likely recomping on my current intake around 4k cals...

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#7923059 - 10/20/14 09:00 PM Re: steroid use at your gym [Re: DieZel]
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 Originally Posted By: DieZel
Ran 8 weeks of test-c 500mg

Added deca at week 9 600mg and upped test to 750mg cause running deca you should run higher test...

I'm in week 10, went from 212-232 over that period but have been hovering around 231-232 last 4 weeks and an likely recomping on my current intake around 4k cals...
damn you must be large now thats almost 15 pounds more thsn me


Good stuff

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#7925231 - 10/22/14 09:28 AM Re: steroid use at your gym [Re: It's Art]
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Holy fuck Diezel, you must be a monster now! Pics.
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#7925573 - 10/22/14 12:11 PM Re: steroid use at your gym [Re: DieZel]
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 Originally Posted By: DieZel
Ran 8 weeks of test-c 500mg

Added deca at week 9 600mg and upped test to 750mg cause running deca you should run higher test...

I'm in week 10, went from 212-232 over that period but have been hovering around 231-232 last 4 weeks and an likely recomping on my current intake around 4k cals...


so, for someone who knows nothing about juicing, do you maintain the gains that you get if you get off of the sauce? that's a pretty serious change to your body composition in a short time. is it sustainable without the chemicals?

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#7925808 - 10/22/14 01:29 PM Re: steroid use at your gym [Re: BellRacer]
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Short answer: Not really. A little bit, but the majority goes away with the juice.
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#7925851 - 10/22/14 01:44 PM Re: steroid use at your gym [Re: Silock]
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 Originally Posted By: Silock
Short answer: Not really. A little bit, but the majority goes away with the juice.


Wouldn't it be more dependent on the type of weight gained and the speed it was gained? That is, if someone blows up on anadrol, high test, deca, and who knows what else, he would be more likely to lose a good bit of the weight than the guy that runs lower test, masteron, and anavar?

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#7925863 - 10/22/14 01:48 PM Re: steroid use at your gym [Re: DieZel]
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 Originally Posted By: DieZel
Ran 8 weeks of test-c 500mg

Added deca at week 9 600mg and upped test to 750mg cause running deca you should run higher test...

I'm in week 10, went from 212-232 over that period but have been hovering around 231-232 last 4 weeks and an likely recomping on my current intake around 4k cals...
hmm notbadobama.

in for update pics of treebeard diezel
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#7925868 - 10/22/14 01:49 PM Re: steroid use at your gym [Re: Silock]
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 Originally Posted By: Silock
Short answer: Not really. A little bit, but the majority goes away with the juice.
majority? eh... A lot of variables going on. cant conclusively say " majority" imo.
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#7925936 - 10/22/14 02:12 PM Re: steroid use at your gym [Re: Euphoricuck]
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Yes, wayy too many. Do it correctly (while on, then post cycle) and the losses will be minimal.

I've seen guys go off, lose the bloat, flatten out a little and look even more jacked when they were on. They did it correctly. Then you have the kids who swell up on orals, eat like shit, then slack off a ton post cycle because they can't move the weight they once did. This is the recipe for failure and major losses. It was all too common while I was in college.


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#7926046 - 10/22/14 03:04 PM Re: steroid use at your gym [Re: 98V-TeC]
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Yes, it's true there are lots of variables. Perhaps "most" was the wrong way to word it.

A better way would be that if you have already reached your potential as a natural, gains made beyond your natural limits will be increasingly difficult to maintain off-cycle.

I fully admit to not being a steroid expert. From the research I've done and guys I've talked to about it, you're going to keep more of the muscle if you train and eat smartly if you haven't yet reached your potential. Older guys that have been training for decades that decide to do a cycle have a much more difficult time keeping it when they're off, simply because they don't have the ability to train off cycle like they do on cycle and can't keep it.

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

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#7926768 - 10/22/14 10:36 PM Re: steroid use at your gym [Re: Silock]
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It's still an illegal drug though.
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#7926805 - 10/22/14 11:19 PM Re: steroid use at your gym [Re: BellRacer]
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 Originally Posted By: BellRacer
 Originally Posted By: DieZel
Ran 8 weeks of test-c 500mg

Added deca at week 9 600mg and upped test to 750mg cause running deca you should run higher test...

I'm in week 10, went from 212-232 over that period but have been hovering around 231-232 last 4 weeks and an likely recomping on my current intake around 4k cals...


so, for someone who knows nothing about juicing, do you maintain the gains that you get if you get off of the sauce? that's a pretty serious change to your body composition in a short time. Ois it sustainable without the chemicals?


You will lose some weight after a blast but if you "do it right" you're going to cruise on a low test dude and you can continue to make gains even while not "on cycle"...

The guys you see that blow the fuck up and then shrink back down likely did it with orals, never controlled their bloat and immediately lose 20 pounds after stopping and then not doing a PCT...

I don't plan to need any post cycle therapy cause I'll still be taking a small dose of test every week before I blast off again...

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#7926839 - 10/22/14 11:42 PM Re: steroid use at your gym [Re: DieZel]
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Aren't you worried about the long-term effects of never really coming off of the drugs? That's the kind of stuff that scares me enough to stay away. I'd feel nervous even if it were monitored by a doctor, though.
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#7926961 - 10/23/14 08:26 AM Re: steroid use at your gym [Re: Silock]
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 Originally Posted By: Silock
Aren't you worried about the long-term effects of never really coming off of the drugs? That's the kind of stuff that scares me enough to stay away. I'd feel nervous even if it were monitored by a doctor, though.


Not an expert on blast and cruise, but I did stay at a holiday inn express, studied chemistry, and just got prescribed TRT and have done a ton of research on it. Yes, my total T was low at 286 and 255 ng/dL on 2 different tests. If he cruises at 200 mg/week or less, that would put him at the upper high end of the "normal" range of 348-1197 ng/dL total T. Assuming he keeps E2 in check with an AI (if necessary) and monitors his hematocrit/hemoglobin, there really isn't much risk with TRT levels of test. If hematocrit gets too high then TRT patients can donate blood. As a "recreational" user he would have to either lie about that, pay for therapeutic phlebotomy, or drain it himself. He may need 250-500 IU of hCG 2x a week to prevent testicular atrophy, if that is an issue to him. The blasting part I don't really know how that will affect overall health, I would assume it depends on which compounds are used (e.g. 17-methylated steroids are hepatotoxic and will damage the liver if used in high dosages and/or for long periods).

Starting next week I will be on 160mg 1x a week, .5mg adex 2x a week, and 500IU hCG 2x a week. I'm under supervision of a licensed physician and will be doing routine bloodwork to monitor everything.

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#7926977 - 10/23/14 08:33 AM Re: steroid use at your gym [Re: 65_289]
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Starting next week I will be on 160mg 1x a week, .5mg adex 2x a week, and 500IU hCG 2x a week.
why...?

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#7927032 - 10/23/14 08:53 AM Re: steroid use at your gym [Re: It's Art]
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Starting next week I will be on 160mg 1x a week, .5mg adex 2x a week, and 500IU hCG 2x a week.
why...?


The testosterone is because I have total and free testosterone values below the normal range. Average for my age is 650-ish, I am mid to high 200's for total T. I have depression, low libido, and other issues that go along with low testosterone. I have tried Clomid and it boosted my T while on but it fell back after cessation. hCG monotherapy failed as well. The adex is to keep estrogen down and the hCG is to prevent testicular atrophy.

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#7927437 - 10/23/14 11:40 AM Re: steroid use at your gym [Re: 65_289]
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The issue I have with bridging is that T levels are highly interindividualized. What is low for person A may be normal for person B, and vice versa. I know a lot of AS guys are very careful, and I know Diezel will be. It still just seems freaky scary to me
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#7927470 - 10/23/14 11:56 AM Re: steroid use at your gym [Re: Silock]
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Arnold is 65, and jacked... Watch Sabotage and ask him if he's worried about long term effects. lol
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#7927535 - 10/23/14 12:27 PM Re: steroid use at your gym [Re: 137]
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Sly is jacked. Arnold is recovering but still a sloppy version of his old self.
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#7927577 - 10/23/14 12:40 PM Re: steroid use at your gym [Re: Silock]
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 Originally Posted By: Silock
Aren't you worried about the long-term effects of never really coming off of the drugs? That's the kind of stuff that scares me enough to stay away. I'd feel nervous even if it were monitored by a doctor, though.


As stated a TRT dose presents next to no health concerns aside from the possible need to donate blood from time to time... I did ALOT of research on this shit for a long time and shied away so many times but finally said fuck it and gave it a go...

I'll likely run 250mg a week for 8 weeks after I finish this blast and then add another compound I to the mix and see how I react to it... I'd say not to add multiple compounds together cause you won't know which one your body dies not like...

I didn't need any AI when I was on 500mg a week... I used it once out of sheer anxiety that I was gonna get gyno, but your mind will fuck with you... Since I've upped my dose I'm taking the AI just to control my water... Seems to be working as my weight stabilized and have actually started leaving out just a smidge while eating at maintenance cals...

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#7956966 - 11/10/14 06:00 PM Re: steroid use at your gym [Re: DieZel]
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Started working out again this weekend. It was crazy depressing. I've worked out here and there (couple times a month - every few months) but I haven't been dedicated for over two years now.

It felt good to be back. I just need to stick with it, gain momentum, and become addicted again.

Then... 2012...








Now... \:\(

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you guys are totally gonna be like "Oh chef can you make ME a coyote hoody?!" and I'm gonna be like
let me check that thread and see who called my nephew a hick

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#7956968 - 11/10/14 06:04 PM Re: steroid use at your gym [Re: Joeyballs]
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You did that LeBron diet.
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#7956983 - 11/10/14 06:16 PM Re: steroid use at your gym [Re: Joeyballs]
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Juicing in the first pic? (no offense intended)
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#7956988 - 11/10/14 06:17 PM Re: steroid use at your gym [Re: gamby]
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Yeah. Tren, Test, EQ.
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you guys are totally gonna be like "Oh chef can you make ME a coyote hoody?!" and I'm gonna be like
let me check that thread and see who called my nephew a hick

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#7957003 - 11/10/14 06:31 PM Re: steroid use at your gym [Re: Joeyballs]
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The results are super impressive, but if that (bulk) were that my goal, the pussy in me would be to afraid of side effects. With my luck, something would go hideously wrong.

Cyclists were/are about the discreet testosterone patch on the ol' scrotum to help post-race recovery.
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#7957515 - 11/11/14 12:11 AM Re: steroid use at your gym [Re: gamby]
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my favorite excuse was I was too pussy to make gains.
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#7960303 - 11/12/14 01:53 PM Re: steroid use at your gym [Re: 137]
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What kind of des age were you on in 2012...?

I take it you're just a small dude in general...?

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#7960379 - 11/12/14 02:32 PM Re: steroid use at your gym [Re: DieZel]
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Aren't you guys afraid of getting busted? It seems to me that would be worse than some of the potential side effects. Maybe they only go after the dealers and not the users but it seems really risky.
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#7960484 - 11/12/14 03:17 PM Re: steroid use at your gym [Re: DieZel]
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 Originally Posted By: DieZel
What kind of des age were you on in 2012...?

I take it you're just a small dude in general...?


Yeah I'm a small guy naturally. 5'8" 150 normally - 175 when lifting (top pic)

I was on 250 Test E, 400 Tren E, 400 EQ weekly.
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you guys are totally gonna be like "Oh chef can you make ME a coyote hoody?!" and I'm gonna be like
let me check that thread and see who called my nephew a hick

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#7961546 - 11/13/14 09:49 AM Re: steroid use at your gym [Re: Joeyballs]
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You ever use tren-ace vs e...?
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