#6078392 - 01/21/12 11:30 AM
Re: Another Progress Thread?
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H Street NW
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Pretty comparable to the last update in all honesty, but I figured why not.
As far as MyFitnessPal.com, I rarely use it as I eat the exact same thing 9 out of 10 days, but to the people that asked or anyone else, feel free to add me and I'll try to stay a bit more consistent. Username is BlkdOutSTI.
Still on Starting Strength 3x per week with cardio 2x, and as much as I wish I could do more lifting wise (4x per week), I'm sticking to the book and doing what's advised. At about 2,300 calories per day now, with a bigggg cut scheduled at the beginning of May.
Other than that, someone asked my height earlier, which is right about 6'2".
Anything else, whether it be feedback, questions, etc. let a ninja know. Thanks!
P.S. - Anyone have any recommendations for stretch marks? I've read around, and haven't really ever come across any one strong consensus for what has the highest regard. Thanks!
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#6078404 - 01/21/12 11:39 AM
Re: Another Progress Thread?
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Artvandelay
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Excellent work. Looking pretty diesel.
As for the stretch marks, cocoa butter or crack open a vitamin e pill and rub it on
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#6078644 - 01/21/12 02:32 PM
Re: Another Progress Thread?
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FireInTheWhole
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P.S. - Anyone have any recommendations for stretch marks? I've read around, and haven't really ever come across any one strong consensus for what has the highest regard. Thanks!
Mederma ($40) or Hydroxatone ($70).
Does this stuff really work after the marks are already there? I have a ton of them.
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#6078813 - 01/21/12 05:01 PM
Re: Another Progress Thread?
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Sharkticon
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P.S. - Anyone have any recommendations for stretch marks? I've read around, and haven't really ever come across any one strong consensus for what has the highest regard. Thanks!
Mederma ($40) or Hydroxatone ($70). Does this stuff really work after the marks are already there? I have a ton of them.
Mederma worked or me. Although it didn't totally get rid of my stretch marks, it made them less obvious/visible.
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#6081482 - 01/23/12 04:18 AM
Re: Another Progress Thread?
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Silock
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Kicking ass bro, awesome progress...
Just a note on the whole insulin thing... Silock can point to whatever study he wants, but eating a LOW or NO CARB diet certainly will cause insulin "spikes" but they are not sustained for 3-4 hours as they are when comsuming carbs... they are limited to an hour or so and then decline and get back to where they were prior to the spike, which allows you to burn more fat between feeds...
http://weightology.net/weightologyweekly/?page_id=319
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coUlGtAqmNg&feature=player_embedded
http://jn.nutrition.org/content/132/8/2174/F1.large.jpg
http://www.ajcn.org/content/66/5/1264.full.pdf+html
They absolutely are NOT limited to an hour or so. The rise in insulin is concomitant with the increase in caloric intake. There is plenty of scientific evidence showing this to be the case. Not so sure why you're so inclined to ignore solid scientific evidence. Is it because of anecdotal evidence? And it's not as though you cannot store fat when insulin levels are low, because you DEFINITELY can.
The key is controlling for calories. There's really NO reason at all to worry about insulin, or any other hormone, for that matter. If you control calories, the energy deficit will be covered by burning fat, no matter what you've eaten prior. Even IF insulin levels are higher, if you intake the same amount of carb calories as protein calories, the energy burned will be THE SAME, all else being equal.
Something that may be throwing your experience off is that there is a lot of new scientific evidence showing protein to have an actual caloric value of 3.2 kCal per gram, as opposed to the traditionally accepted value of 4, which happens to be the same as the value for carbohydrates. So, when people assume that they are eating the same amount of energy when comparing both foods, they are actually consuming 1/4 less calories when comparing the protein to carb intake. That is a very substantial difference. But again, that is just another way of controlling for calories. Your body will store fat if you give it enough energy to do so, no matter what form that energy comes. Likewise, your body will burn fat, no matter how the energy deficit is attained, and the amount burned will go hand-in-hand with the caloric deficit, and not just the food type.
I'm neither for nor against a low/no carb diet. Do what you want. I don't care. I do low-carb all the time. I like it. I like eggs. I like cow. So, I prefer to eat those things, especially when I can only eat a certain amount of it. However, I'm not deluding myself into thinking that manipulating insulin levels has anything to do with how I cut weight. It's all about the calories in vs. the calories out. I've lost just as much weight eating a "high" carb diet as I have with a low-carb diet.
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#6081898 - 01/23/12 10:31 AM
Re: Another Progress Thread?
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mrnismo
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When I first started messing with low carb diets (or really no carb diets other than vegetables and whatever miniscule amounts are in meats and some cheeses) I was highly confident that it was the 'magic pill' so to speak.
But after being educated by people like Drew and just general internet research I now know what was really going on.
In my case, an 1800-2000 calorie diet with a decent blend of protein carbs and fat left me freaking starving and cranky and fiending for more carbs. But on a 40 or less gram of carbs per day diet with a massive carb refeed on the weekends I still lost weight like a mad man but was extremely satisfied throughout the day and never felt like I was starving myself.
From now on, if I ever want to lose fat I'll go back to low/no carb diets but I do it because it's much easier for me not because I think hormone manipulation or insulin plays any role at all. I know now that those things are best left for those at the pro level that have everything else completely dialed in and are thus looking for any tiny edge they can get.
One other thing that I liked about doing a no carb diet was it was much easier to find out which carbs affected me in what ways. I now know that whole wheat products give me a slight allergic reaction. I still try to minimize wheat but now that I'm eating so much I don't totally avoid it. Thus I have a constant low level sinus thing going on but not bad enough for me to give up bread just yet ;-)
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#6082793 - 01/23/12 02:39 PM
Re: Another Progress Thread?
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who cares about stretch marks..? embrace the fact you are growing.
I figured he was talking about stretch marks from when he was overweight.
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#6083260 - 01/23/12 04:56 PM
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Fantastic job OP. You have killed the weight loss and looking strong. Let everyone realize the power of resolve and willpower.
OB1 as another shining example.
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#6083422 - 01/23/12 05:56 PM
Re: Another Progress Thread?
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Silock
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and Silock we'll just agree to disagree on the whole insulin thing... I personally have measured my insulin levels over weeks in the past to see how what foods affected my blood sugars...
With what? Do you have unfettered access to a medical lab? Because that's what it takes to measure insulin levels. Now, if you are talking about BLOOD SUGAR levels, that is completely different. It is possible to spike insulin and have low blood sugar. In fact, that's exactly what protein does, because *drum roll* IT DOESN'T CONTAIN ANY SUGAR! But it stimulates the release of insulin, again, because insulin is an anabolic hormone that is used for nutrient transport, uptake and storage.
and if you think that your body automatically goes to your fat stores to burn energy when there's a caloric deficiet you are mistaken as well... SORELY mistaken... your body will canibalize lean tissues more easily than it will attack and burn fat... you have to release fat into the bloodstream to burn it off, and if you do release it into the bloodstream if you don't burn it off, it can and will just redeposit itself elsewhere in your body...
Where are you getting this misinformation from? That is totally and completely false.
"In short-term fasting, some of the glucose required by the brain is provided by liver glycogen, the reserve being exhausted within 48 hours. If the human body is to withstand fasting, it must mobilize 1800 kcal/day and produce 186 g of glucose mainly for the central nervous system. Eighty percent of the energy requirements are provided by lipolysis of adipose tissue where 160 g of triglycerides are split into fatty acids and glycerol. Approximately 75 g of muscle proteins, i.e. nearly 300 g of muscle, per day are mobilized to provide the substrate for gluconeogenesis. If protein breakdown were to continue at the initial rate, roughly one-third of the total body proteins would be exhausted in 3 weeks, which is incompatible with survival."
http://www.nutrition-partner.com/index.cfm?C27B8FF7FABF494CAA480EF21E0D228D
Now, the second part of that quote is why it's EXTREMELY important, especially in a caloric deficit, to maintain adequate protein intake. You have to have it in order to maintain your muscle.
But, other things help out with muscle retention on extremely low-calorie diets. Namely, resistance exercise.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10204826
In this study, resistance exercise preserved lean body mass and actually increased their resting metabolic rate, despite being on an 800-calorie per day liquid diet. Exercise is a very powerful thing.
Las thing i will say is just to reiterate that a low carb diet is NOT a long term solution... doing so for an extended period of time can really fuck with your metabolism
Disagree, but that's seemingly a topic for another time, so I'll just leave it at the "agree to disagree" station.
i find fault in your argument that protien causes the same insulin response as carbs... if you're combinging carbs WITH protien then YES you STILL get an elevated and sustained insulin response... show me a study that shows the effects of a protien and fats meal and it's response on insulin...
Look at the last study from the post you're responding to. It includes insulin response to whole protein-rich foods and their associated fatty acids. There absolutely is an insulin spike.
We could go round and round on this for weeks, but in the end i'll just let my results or lack thereof speak for themselves...
There's no reason to take that kind of attitude. No one here is saying that your methods do not work. Hell, I'm telling you over and over again that I've USED those methods to get extremely ripped. It absolutely works. What I'm saying is that all that concern about hormones and carbs and all the other bullshit is completely unnecessary. I'm honestly not trying to be militant with my arguments, so please don't take them as such. I like hearing opposing viewpoints. But I'll stick with my scientific evidence. I've not seen any from your arguments.
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#6751343 - 12/04/12 12:40 PM
Re: Another Progress Thread?
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H Street NW
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Update at the top.
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#7732157 - 06/12/14 10:58 PM
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H Street NW
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Damn, I've made some progress looking back. As of today...
Edited by H Street NW (06/12/14 11:01 PM)
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#7732486 - 06/13/14 09:15 AM
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Nice dude. Congrats
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#7733864 - 06/14/14 12:47 AM
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gamby
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Damn. Great job, mein!!!
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#7734117 - 06/14/14 12:55 PM
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H Street NW
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And the OG picture that apparently isn't around anymore...
And now...
Edited by H Street NW (06/14/14 01:13 PM)
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#7744110 - 06/22/14 05:36 PM
Re: Another Progress Thread?
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H Street NW
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I want at least 25% credit for this transformation. #Iowa
I can deal with that.
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#7746853 - 06/24/14 10:43 AM
Re: Another Progress Thread?
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kaige
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Looking great. Just wondering, what are your lift #'s?
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