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#7038265 - 04/27/13 03:40 PM Tips for first triathlon? **Update - Finished**
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I'm doing my first tri next weekend. I'm pretty pumped except for the fact that i'm feeling a bit sick this weekend. Hopefully it passes soon. In any case, what tips would you guys have for a first timer? Anything special I should put in my transition bag?

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#7038324 - 04/27/13 04:59 PM Re: Tips for first triathlon? [Re: MonkeyStillAlive]
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What distance?
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#7038371 - 04/27/13 05:47 PM Re: Tips for first triathlon? [Re: slackereg6]
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#7038451 - 04/27/13 07:04 PM Re: Tips for first triathlon? [Re: MonkeyStillAlive]
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I have only done one sprint and one oly so I am far from an expert. The biggest thing I learned at the first was not to push it on the bike. I like biking more than running so at the first one I went out on the bike and it cost me big during the run.

Also stay calm in the water. Not sure what your background is but I hit the water and all training went out the window. I think at the oly I had a 40+ minute swim. Open water swimming is just not my thing.
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#7038835 - 04/28/13 12:34 AM Re: Tips for first triathlon? [Re: MonkeyStillAlive]
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Second the stay calm in the water sentiment.

If it were further off than next weekend, I'd say focus on your weakest leg the most in training

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#7038959 - 04/28/13 07:56 AM Re: Tips for first triathlon? [Re: bt0]
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Swimming will definitely be my weakest link. I only started training for the swim about a month and a half ago and only in a pool. I'm comfortable with the distance now but swimming open water will definitely be a challenge I think. Being that it's salt water might help though. As far as the transition bag just shoes, towel, socks etc? I'm going to have some gels with me also.
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#7039049 - 04/28/13 10:15 AM Re: Tips for first triathlon? [Re: MonkeyStillAlive]
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In the water remember you can take a breather by backstroking. I didn't have anything special in my bag just what you mentioned towel, socks, shoes and 2-3 gels.
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#7039074 - 04/28/13 10:49 AM Re: Tips for first triathlon? [Re: slackereg6]
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Like they said just stay relaxed in the water. You transition area should be laid out simple and in order, so you won't fumble around. I don't bother with socks on the bike and rarely use them on the run.

Just a few pointer in transition:
Put your sunglasses in your helmet
Don't forget to clip your helmet before you unrack your bike
If your bike shoes aren't clipped in already leave the velco open
Bike shoes in front of your running shoes
Hat or visor on your running shoes

Here's what my area looked like at my last race.


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#7039163 - 04/28/13 12:38 PM Re: Tips for first triathlon? [Re: lessthanmike]
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Nice. Thanks for the tips. Did you have the water bottle for the ride or run?
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#7039177 - 04/28/13 01:04 PM Re: Tips for first triathlon? [Re: MonkeyStillAlive]
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I have one on the bike and the one on the ground is to grab a few quick sips before the run.
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#7039216 - 04/28/13 02:04 PM Re: Tips for first triathlon? [Re: MonkeyStillAlive]
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Swimming strength is far more technique & form based than fitness based. You can be a beast, but if you're inefficient it's all blown.
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#7039272 - 04/28/13 02:49 PM Re: Tips for first triathlon? [Re: bt0]
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Swimming strength is far more technique & form based than fitness based. You can be a beast, but if your inefficient it's all blown.

That's one thing I've been working on. When I first started swimming, I could barely do three laps in a row free style. One day at the pool I was talking with a guy in the lane next to me and he gave me some great tips which have helped tremendously. Now I can swim the entire mile free style non-stop. Granted i'm not fast, but my goal is to finish, not win.

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#7039284 - 04/28/13 02:55 PM Re: Tips for first triathlon? [Re: bt0]
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My setup looks very similar to Mikes. Keep it as simple as possible so you're not wasting time trying to remember stuff.
Scope out the transition areas to see where you come in, go out. Even after 3 dozen tris, I still tend to be a little disoriented after the swim.


If you can, get in the water and warm up for a good 10 minutes.... It will help greatly at getting you to relax and from freaking out at the start. If its a mass start, you may want to hang back and wait a few seconds for your wave to get in the water and then you'll get some clearer water.

All I can really say is to just try and relax and enjoy yourself. Soak it all in and learn from it.
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#7039286 - 04/28/13 02:56 PM Re: Tips for first triathlon? [Re: Sir Ironpool]
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Reach and glide on the swim. :). Imagine yourself straight as an arrow and slippery as snot. \:\)
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#7039520 - 04/28/13 05:48 PM Re: Tips for first triathlon? [Re: Sir Ironpool]
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 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Reach and glide on the swim. :). Imagine yourself straight as an arrow and slippery as snot. \:\)

Thats what the guy who gave the tips said also. Basically reach as far as you can and hold it longer than you think you should, then pull back.

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#7039653 - 04/28/13 07:51 PM Re: Tips for first triathlon? [Re: MonkeyStillAlive]
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Not only is a good technique, it also forces you to settle down and not get caught up in the chaos of the swim. Oh, qand if you can find a set of feet moving at roughly your pace, stay on them....the draft in a swim is real, and can be a serious benefit.
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#7040163 - 04/29/13 08:09 AM Re: Tips for first triathlon? [Re: bt0]
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 Originally Posted By: bt0
Swimming strength is far more technique & form based than fitness based.
heh you need both in order to be good. You are right in that all the fitness and strength doesnt do you any good if you technique sucks but the same can be said for just about anything.

If op's goal is to finish... just dont get kicked in the face.
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#7052336 - 05/06/13 08:21 AM Re: Tips for first triathlon? [Re: Euphoricuck]
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Well I survived! My goal was to finish in four hours and I finished in 3 hours and 56 minutes. The swim was a lot more difficult that I thought it would be. I had trouble staying on course. Swimming in the pool got me used to following the line to keep straight, where as in the river it was just brown. I found myself looking up a lot to see where I was going and being off course quite a bit. Even so, I finished the swim in 37 minutes and I was shooting for 40.

The bike ride was great for the first 17 miles except for the road being bumpy. I was able to average 21.9 mph for the first 17 miles. Right at mile 18 we hit the sea shore and the wind started howling right in our faces. My speed went down dramatically from there pretty much the whole way back. My avg speed ended up being 16 mph.

The run ended up being the hardest part for me. I got a stomach cramp right at the beginning that wouldn't go away. I stopped and pooped and hoped that would help but the pain continued for the rest of the race. I ended up having to walk quite a bit. I'm not sure where the pain came from as I've never experienced it during my training. I'm thinking it was probably something I ate the night before or maybe my breakfast.

Overall I had a great time. The course was really nice minus the bumpiness of the bike ride. But seeing the vehicle assembly building and the launch towers on cape canaveral were really cool. I hope that they'll be able to do this race again next year and it not be just a one time thing. Either way, I'll definitely be doing another tri. I have some friends doing Ironman Augusta which I think will be my next race. Thanks for all your tips before the race.

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#7052666 - 05/06/13 11:39 AM Re: Tips for first triathlon? [Re: MonkeyStillAlive]
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Nice job man....sounds like a solid performance for your first Tri under less than ideal conditions.

I remember I used to get side stitches off the bike in my first few races. I think it's just an overall lack of fitness. Even doing bricks in training, it's a new experience for your body. Just keep at it and it will get easier and easier.
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#7052811 - 05/06/13 12:20 PM Re: Tips for first triathlon? [Re: Sir Ironpool]
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 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Nice job man....sounds like a solid performance for your first Tri under less than ideal conditions.

I remember I used to get side stitches off the bike in my first few races. I think it's just an overall lack of fitness. Even doing bricks in training, it's a new experience for your body. Just keep at it and it will get easier and easier.


What does doing bricks mean?

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#7052853 - 05/06/13 12:30 PM Re: Tips for first triathlon? [Re: MonkeyStillAlive]
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back to back workouts. like, do a 20 mile bike ride, hop off and go run 5 miles. or swim a mile, then go bike 20 miles.
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#7052867 - 05/06/13 12:34 PM Re: Tips for first triathlon? [Re: nato2377]
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Yeah, it's to simulate getting off the bike and going straight into a run. Called a brick because that's how your legs feel when you start the run. \:D
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#7052893 - 05/06/13 12:44 PM Re: Tips for first triathlon? [Re: Sir Ironpool]
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I see. I'm definitely learning this stuff. I've only done those a few times prior to the race. Do you think that was what cause the cramping/pain and want to poop/throw up at the same time? haha. I was farting practically the whole run too.
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#7052909 - 05/06/13 12:51 PM Re: Tips for first triathlon? [Re: MonkeyStillAlive]
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Lol, farting is totally normal. I've never had to crap during a race, but my body is pretty well trained to go before the race. \:\)

You may have swallowed a bunch of water on the swim too.
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#7052957 - 05/06/13 01:11 PM Re: Tips for first triathlon? [Re: Sir Ironpool]
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 Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom
Lol, farting is totally normal. I've never had to crap during a race, but my body is pretty well trained to go before the race. \:\)

You may have swallowed a bunch of water on the swim too.

I did swallow some. I would have thought it would have hit me on the bike ride though. I took a nice crap before the race so I thought I would be good, guess not!

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#7053096 - 05/06/13 02:06 PM Re: Tips for first triathlon? [Re: MonkeyStillAlive]
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Congrats on the finish.

Salt water swim? Look up salt water flush may explain a little if you swallowed some. My fist tri I swallowed a ton of salt water and later that day sucked. Not sure if it was the salt water or the crappy pizza I ate afterwards.
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#7053168 - 05/06/13 02:37 PM Re: Tips for first triathlon? [Re: slackereg6]
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It was a salt water swim.
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#7053434 - 05/06/13 04:49 PM Re: Tips for first triathlon? [Re: MonkeyStillAlive]
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Congrats. \:\)
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#7053842 - 05/06/13 08:30 PM Re: Tips for first triathlon? [Re: gamby]
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Nice Job!! Especially because you jumped right in to international distance instead of doing a few sprints.
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#7054078 - 05/06/13 11:15 PM Re: Tips for first triathlon? [Re: lessthanmike]
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congrats. looking up in open water is normal part of the swim
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#7054330 - 05/07/13 08:03 AM Re: Tips for first triathlon? [Re: Euphoricuck]
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congrats. looking up in open water is normal part of the swim

I can understand that. It was hard because the only swim training I did was in the pool where I could follow the line on the bottom to stay straight. During the race, I kept finding myself a good 20 or 30 feet to the right of all the other swimmers. I had to have added a good 10th or more to my distance just because of all the back and forth I did trying to stay on course.

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#7054831 - 05/07/13 11:52 AM Re: Tips for first triathlon? [Re: Euphoricuck]
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congrats. looking up in open water is normal part of the swim


this

Having grown up swimming in the ocean, you lose course VERY quickly.

Pics of bike?
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#7054969 - 05/07/13 12:45 PM Re: Tips for first triathlon? [Re: gamby]
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It's nothing fancy, just a bike I bought off a friend. Bone stock Trek Alpha 1.1 or 1.2. Can't remember which model off the top of my head.

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#7055185 - 05/07/13 02:01 PM Re: Tips for first triathlon? [Re: MonkeyStillAlive]
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Hell of a job, OP!!
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#7055200 - 05/07/13 02:06 PM Re: Tips for first triathlon? [Re: MonkeyStillAlive]
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It's nothing fancy, just a bike I bought off a friend. Bone stock Trek Alpha 1.1 or 1.2. Can't remember which model off the top of my head.


Hey--it did the job for now. Beware the aero bug...
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#7055216 - 05/07/13 02:15 PM Re: Tips for first triathlon? [Re: gamby]
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Yeah, I won't be upgrading anytime soon. It costs enough to do these damn races. I won't have any money left to buy a new bike If I do all the races I want. The half Iron I want to do next is $300, plus whatever the hotel ends up costing.
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#7055492 - 05/07/13 03:44 PM Re: Tips for first triathlon? [Re: MonkeyStillAlive]
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#7594446 - 03/09/14 11:32 PM Re: Tips for first triathlon? [Re: Sir Ironpool]
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Epic bump. I figure ill do a tri or 2 this year. Not expecting much just to not die I guess. Haven't done one since college lol and I'm only in swimming shape heh. Anybody else doing one this year?
The Alcatraz duaathlon I'm looking at right now, 1.5 mile swim from the island to Chrissy field then a 7 mile run out and back over the golden gate to Sausalito . No bike heh.
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#7594532 - 03/10/14 01:16 AM Re: Tips for first triathlon? [Re: stickaz_old]
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The Santa Cruz Olympic is a fantastic race....it was my first and I loved it. Great swim, nice rolling bike, and a beautiful run along the cliffs. Donner Lake in July is really nice too.


No tris on the schedule this year (yet) because Leadville 100 in August.


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#7599939 - 03/12/14 06:29 PM Re: Tips for first triathlon? [Re: Sir Ironpool]
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found one lol!
http://www.usaproductions.org/events/Silicon-Valley-Sprint-Triathlon#about

.35 miles in pillar point harbor [Half Moon Bay]
ride down the coast [9.x miles] and finish with a 5k to another beach

april 20, I'll probably do it.
I sorta want to speedo the swim since it's that short, but standing out in my awesomeness would be lame
Cooldown with some surfing say at HMB beach or Pacifica further up

Yes a sprint because badass-in

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#7600057 - 03/12/14 07:57 PM Re: Tips for first triathlon? [Re: stickaz_old]
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Looks like a great race....but fuck that swim. Swimming around the SC pier gave me the heebie jeebies enough!
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#7601389 - 03/13/14 02:22 PM Re: Tips for first triathlon? [Re: Sir Ironpool]
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heh I know that feels. Sea lions will chase you out there. A couple years back I put my windsurfer in at Cowells [the beginner spot by the SC pier], and was just doing some slow tacks up and down and riding the mushburgers out there in the slop. The windshadow along the cliff was crimping my style so I decided to shoot out past the pier and say up to steamer lane and all and was flying on a nice reach. I wanted to run over the inner kelp forest thing to get into some clean water but completely went over the handlebars when my fin [duh] hit the kelp at full planing speed. Landed like 20 feet from the board and had a very "it feels sharky" moment. A sea lion had been following me of course [those fucks].

I scrambled onto my board and yanked the sail out of the water pretty quickly. I believe this exact scene is in Jaws 1 lol. I am definitely not used to being that far out.

I do like the #'s better though when theres say a few hundred people flailing all around with you out there at the same time.
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#7601498 - 03/13/14 03:05 PM Re: Tips for first triathlon? [Re: stickaz_old]
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heh I know that feels. Sea lions will chase you out there. A couple years back I put my windsurfer in at Cowells [the beginner spot by the SC pier], and was just doing some slow tacks up and down and riding the mushburgers out there in the slop. The windshadow along the cliff was crimping my style so I decided to shoot out past the pier and say up to steamer lane and all and was flying on a nice reach. I wanted to run over the inner kelp forest thing to get into some clean water but completely went over the handlebars when my fin [duh] hit the kelp at full planing speed. Landed like 20 feet from the board and had a very "it feels sharky" moment. A sea lion had been following me of course [those fucks].

I scrambled onto my board and yanked the sail out of the water pretty quickly. I believe this exact scene is in Jaws 1 lol. I am definitely not used to being that far out.

I do like the #'s better though when theres say a few hundred people flailing all around with you out there at the same time.


As long as you aint first, or last, your odds are much better, lol.
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#7605667 - 03/17/14 11:23 AM Re: Tips for first triathlon? [Re: Sir Ironpool]
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Wewt, alright I am officially doing the beginner sprint triathlon in April lol. Might change my mind after my first bike/run workout lol. Swam a 500 in under 7 minutes today--distance has never been my thing doe but should get me up near the front based on what I see in past results. Not much room to improve there as my personal best in college (when I was forced to do the 500 as punishment, or heck the 800) was only 5:30, time is much better spent jogging I'd imagine as I'm slow as fuck (8 min+ miles even at this distance)
A recent 100y free sprint is 50 flat from the blocks :flex: lol
I wish they'd take a 100y free sprint, scale it to 1/3 the total time, add a bike time trial (like 10 miles lol) and say a mid distance run like a 1 or 2 miler and equal weight them
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#7605953 - 03/17/14 02:13 PM Re: Tips for first triathlon? [Re: stickaz_old]
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Anybody else doing one this year?


I'm doing the Solana Beach Tri in July. It will be my first as well. I haven't spend much time swimming or biking but plan to do so after May. Thinking 10 weeks should be enough time to prep for a Sprint. But it's an ocean swim.
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#7609030 - 03/19/14 01:54 PM Re: Tips for first triathlon? [Re: Design]
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Congrats OP. I'll be doing another triathlon sometime soon myself, it can get addictive.
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#7609115 - 03/19/14 02:32 PM Re: Tips for first triathlon? [Re: Design]
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 Originally Posted By: stickaz
Anybody else doing one this year?


I'm doing the Solana Beach Tri in July. It will be my first as well. I haven't spend much time swimming or biking but plan to do so after May. Thinking 10 weeks should be enough time to prep for a Sprint. But it's an ocean swim.


Let me know if you want to do some open water training Kent. We have a great spot in the bay here that is perfect for getting used to it.
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#7609275 - 03/19/14 03:58 PM Re: Tips for first triathlon? [Re: Sir Ironpool]
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Thanks Chris. Might also look to you for some advice on renting the right equipment too.
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#7610827 - 03/20/14 02:50 PM Re: Tips for first triathlon? [Re: Design]
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how do they release the swimmers in the tris these days? like in bunches every 2 mins based on group or what? just wondering what level of thrashing/elbows/aeration/heads up waterpolo swimming I'll have to be doing. Hope to find somebody on a good pace and just draft just like swim practice lol

I'm going to do my first 'brick' workout today [scared], just a bike/jog. my normal commute is 9.x miles, then I'll just quickly swap shoes and drop backback and do a 5k. I suspect it will suck, greatly
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#7610872 - 03/20/14 03:06 PM Re: Tips for first triathlon? [Re: stickaz_old]
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Most of the starts for smaller races are on the beach and go off in waves based on age groups.

Some of Ironman starts are in the water every male goes at once then the females go.

There's a lot of thrashing and elbows at all the races. Just remember to put your goggles on first then the swim cap. I learned the hard way, got kicked in the head and lost my goggles in a race.

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#7611400 - 03/20/14 09:51 PM Re: Tips for first triathlon? [Re: lessthanmike]
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K thks!
Did my first brick lol
9.3m commute/bike in 31:30 or so, avg 17.8 mph for the whole thing. The segments away from traffic/lights/pedestrians I avgd over 20
Had about a 2 minute t2 lol
Then did a 8:47 pace 5k, 27:23. I was working hard and cramped a little around mile 2 but touched it out.thought about giving up lol wuss. HR at the end was around 150 so I was working hard

Turns out I am not fast lol shocker.
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#7611538 - 03/20/14 11:44 PM Re: Tips for first triathlon? [Re: stickaz_old]
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The cap over goggles is great advice. I've done it in every race and have never lost my goggles.


Stickaz....you've got the speed/technique to go out hard to get away from the washing machine. Like Mike said, you'll likely go off with your age group, so I'd just lay on the speed for the first 50 or so, then cruise at whatever pace is comfortable. Dont discount the benefit of a good draft too. If you can stay on the feet of someone going your speed...you can just get pulled along.

Dont hammer the bike too hard...it will be hard to resist when you see all the uber-bikers you crushed in the swim go flying by...but you'll have a better overall race if you can have some gas in the tank for a good run.
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#7614818 - 03/23/14 10:38 PM Re: Tips for first triathlon? [Re: Sir Ironpool]
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Wonder if ~2 hrs a day of surfing fri/sat/sun counts as any yardage
Got a bunch of time in the water tho lol! I didn't even feel like getting any actual swimming in
Good jog just now. I'm not sure I've run this far in 20 years.decided to run for an hour


I call this a decent tri weekend workout \:\) [i get mostly biking in during the week]
Strava thinks the 10k was 56:16
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#7614898 - 03/24/14 12:50 AM Re: Tips for first triathlon? [Re: stickaz_old]
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#7619265 - 03/26/14 01:52 PM Re: Tips for first triathlon? [Re: Sir Ironpool]
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I'm also thinking about doing the Santa Cruz tri late in the year. Based on last years times I'm a solid shot at a top-3 in my age group in the swim [21-22m for 1500m for anyone keeping track, aka holding 1m24s 100m pace--believe me I'm no distance swimmer] but everything else solid bottom third in my age group \:\)
sounds like super torture tho [olympic distance]
not only am I a slow jogger but apparently I'm an equally slow biker compared to these guys lol cry and lol shocker not
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#7619330 - 03/26/14 02:28 PM Re: Tips for first triathlon? [Re: stickaz_old]
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That's a great race! It was my first Oly race in 2010. I swam a 26:44 and was top 10 in my AG I think. Oh, and keep in mind that the swim time includes the run up the beach as well as a long run up a big hill to T1. Lots of uber bikers at that race though, so be prepared to have your dreams crushed. The run is pretty much flat and a nice out and back on the bluffs.

Good times for sure though.
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#7619654 - 03/26/14 05:15 PM Re: Tips for first triathlon? [Re: Sir Ironpool]
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oh that sucks then lol
yea for me it would be a big accomplishment to simply not pull a DNF somewhere on the bike ride

I see my tri career coming to an abrupt end rather soon I knew there was a reason I've only kept up with swimming for the last couple decades \:o

tried to run a 'quick' 5k just now lol sad
depressing headwind the entire way lol doesntmatteratthisspeed
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#7622818 - 03/28/14 02:13 PM Re: Tips for first triathlon? [Re: stickaz_old]
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I have arbitrarily decided to shoot for the median time in my age group at the upcoming santa cruz tri [olympic distance]. My "find the median guy" methodology was 4-fold.
I looked for the median overall ET, then I looked for the median overall time in each discipline.

So I have a 30:00 or so 1.5km swim to shoot for [say running up/down the beach is 2 mins] that leaves a 1m50s or so 100m pace to shoot for.

The bike the median ET was 1:13:00 or thereabouts for 25 miles, or a 20.55 mph avg to shoot for.

The run the median ET was ~49:00 or thereabouts for the 10k, or a 7m54s avg pace.

The overall ET to shoot for including transitions is then around 2:36

Needless to say these are all fairly aggressive goals except for the swim which I can already do pretty easily. Well I've got about 6 months so we'll see :scared:
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#7622930 - 03/28/14 03:08 PM Re: Tips for first triathlon? [Re: stickaz_old]
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I ended up exactly midway in the 35-39 AG when I did it in 2010:

http://raceresults.eternaltiming.com/ind...Results&Bib=187


I should go back and do it again. Pretty sure I could shave 25 minutes off that time.
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#7622939 - 03/28/14 03:14 PM Re: Tips for first triathlon? [Re: Sir Ironpool]
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notbadobama, I'd be stoked with that result! not a bad swim either!
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#7622984 - 03/28/14 03:48 PM Re: Tips for first triathlon? [Re: stickaz_old]
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Its funny to think back. It was may 1st of that year that I decided I was going to become a triathlete and I signed up for that race that very same day. I weighed 210 (Im 5'7) and wasn't doing anything active. I did two sprints leading up to the race, and lost about 25 pounds of the eventual 60 I'd lose. Finishing that race was a huge thing for me.
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#7626896 - 03/31/14 01:50 PM Re: Tips for first triathlon? [Re: Sir Ironpool]
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how does this sound for a training program?

bike: 4x a week or so [commuting heh, (2x) 9.x miles
jog : 3x a week or so [wed 5k/30 minutes, fri brick w/bike/5k or 30 mins, sun long slow jog [1 hr or 10k or so right now]
swim: sat/sun surf 2-3 hrs or pool workout (2-4k yards)
lift: 2x/week

doesnt really leave a 'rest' day but my bike commute doesnt seem to tire me unless I push it.
adding up the hours thats like:
bike: 5 hrs
jog : 2-2.5 hrs
swim: 4-6 hrs
lift: 1 hr heh

curious to see how my first sprint tri goes and I figure I should remain a bike commuter but I'm not doing any bike training outside of that. I found a way to extend my return bike-commute to 14.x miles on a nice flat smooth trail also which I had been throwing in when I had the time to do it.

Otherwise slow and steady? As a reminder: I am a brand new jogger. No idea what I am doing there other than trying to build some endurance. I'm not sure I could add much more mileage/time/week at this point even if I wanted to. I believe it was about 6 weeks ago or so the first time I had run further than a 5k in like 20 years hehe.

I think I'm being aggressive w/jogging when I look at the hours but maybe not. Also surfing is not equivalent to pool workouts but it's probably like putting in a solid 1500-2k yards/session especially like if it's a day like yesterday [3 ft overhead, choppy, howling wind, big current, non stop paddling]

also I should mention I don't have any crazy goals or desire to be faster than everybody or any of that just to gain fitness and be more well rounded [and less obese heh]
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#7627042 - 03/31/14 02:47 PM Re: Tips for first triathlon? [Re: stickaz_old]
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My thinking is to always train hardest on your weakest leg. You are very similar to where I was when I started...I could hold my own in the water without much effort (I rarely ever swam more than 2 days a week, even when training for Ironmans) and I found that I could comfortably cruise at a pace I was happy with on the bike with just doing workouts on the trainer. Running was where I saw the most improvement and overall results. No better way to train the cardio engine than by running...and that fitness transfers pretty well over to the bike and really well over to swimming if you have your technique dialed in (like we do.)

I'd definitely try and fit in at least one or two bike rides that aren't part of your commute. Even throw your bike on a cheap mag trainer and do a solid effort hour of intervals and I think that would go a long way.

Just take the run stuff easy to start. While it is the best way to improve cardio-wise, its also the easiest to screw up and injure yourself.
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#7627049 - 03/31/14 02:50 PM Re: Tips for first triathlon? [Re: Sir Ironpool]
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Oh, and if you can, get in some open water swims too. Work on sighting and breathing. Even now...in the pool I breathe every 4 strokes, but in the water, every other stroke.

I believe there are group swims around the pier leading up to the SC Olympic.
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#7627250 - 03/31/14 04:58 PM Re: Tips for first triathlon? [Re: Sir Ironpool]
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cool, I'm not to worried about that as I've done a bit of ocean swimming but yea, I'm sure it's important to be used to it. I'm still going to do one of the alcatraz swims this summer that's going to be a riot I bet

like first 100y.... fuck all of the things! let's sprint. 200y in. OK, I am breathing every stroke. Fuck. All right, what did they say about the current again...
1 mile in or whatever. Is the golden gate getting closer? That can't be good...
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#7656999 - 04/20/14 09:04 PM Re: Tips for first triathlon? [Re: stickaz_old]
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Update: Silicon Valley sprint tri results (half moon bay, ca)

1:18:14

Swim: 12:10 age rank: 1, est pace 1:25 100y (swim includes a 2 block jog) #18 overall weee
T1: 6:23 lol
Bike: 29:30 age rank: 7, 19.9x mph avg
T2: 2:35 dude where's my shoes
Run: 27:27 age rank: 7, 8m 50s pace
Overall age rank :7/16
Missed a podium spot by 3m9s ugh heh (#3)

Overall rank (male+ female): 50/246

My random notes: swim was the best part, I snuck to the front of my wave and just cruised, hugged the first 2 buoys and was leading the entire way. I only had to swim over 1 dude who passed me heh. I was really surprised that I probably only had to go out on a 1:15 or so 100y pace to hit the clear water in front of my wave and keep everybody behind me. I was a little surprised that I was feeling rather quick/buoyant in the calm harbor water as most of my open water swims in various famous surf spots in santa cruz [I always stay basically inside the break because terrified of slapping around by myself out there past the surfers nom nom nom] was always some kind of a failboat effort. Say in 4-5' waves theres a ton of water moving around inside the break and it's pretty hard to measure progress. Feels like I'm going nowhere half the time which is certainly true based on current and wave motion heh. I had a feeling similar to a pool workout but my body position was a bit higher naturally and I felt the 'planing' effort occured easier. I'm sure that can be optimized but I'll be honest: if I'm in my wetsuit in the ocean I'm going to be surfing.

I was figuring some other swimmer would challenge for the 'pole' shot/shortest distance to the first buoy. I know I wanted it but apparently the wave I was in they were pretty chill or just stoked to follow my feet heh. I was sort of hoping to find somebody that would race me to the first buoy and beat me there, then just follow his feet. Hmm maybe I should try that next time. It was sort of my plan then I decided at the last minute to say "nah, fuck it, lets just see what it takes to stay in front...". Apparently not all that much. Had I not really opened it up the last 200y or so when I noticed I was well of course it would have been pretty relaxing.

Had my surfing 4/3 on which probably didn't do me any favors. Casually trotted up to the t1 for 2 blocks which counts as your swim time. Spent an eternity in t1 , 6:23, and managed to drown my cell phone is with my wetsuit, it's still dead. Oops.
On to the bike.
Cruised down by the HMB airport, at the first hard turn I lost my water bottle lol. Managed to drink most of the second one and I was having trouble drinking but I forced myself to do it. I wasn't sure if I was pushing it hard or what but I only got passed by a couple people and I did a bunch of passing.
Really crazy crossing highway 1 but whatever. Almost blew the transition as the Olympic distance was just past my transition so slammed the brakes and came back, lost a little time. I pushed it but didn't want to kill myself. The swim had left me strangely tired as I don't think my body appreciated the effort I put in after I noticed I was about 100 yards wide of the swim exit and just wandering in nowhere ville. But whatever.
The run
T2 was kind of a clusterfkuc. I couldnt find my area. First thing that happened was a dude called out my bib number and said "hey your stuff is over here. So i go look. Duh, it's not there. I had dropped it off in the morning at like 6:30a when I was still half asleep. Got confused on which end my stuff was at as when I entered the transition area to drop off my shoes it was backwards from where the bike-in was. I never did quite figure out that that was my issue and ended up doing a full battleship-style up/down left/right search with (4) full sweeps of the transition area. Oops.

Just a 5k. For some reason real early my body was telling me I was tired, plus I was afraid of my right knee which I had injured Monday of last week-- I was scared to push it so I just settled into my 10k jog pace and hoped for the best. I passed nobody and yet I was hanging in there, a huge improvement I'm sure from where I was just 2 months ago when I decided for no reason really to start jogging again. I'm sure more than a few people were pumped to easily pass me on the jog, and a few that passed me offered encouragement which was cool--I kinda needed it ;\) including the bunch of chicks that passed me AND the 74 year old dude that passed me heh. I looked him up: he ran a 26:24 [63 seconds under me heh]. I was thinking when he passed me that I could easily hold that pace but I was just doing my own thing which was probably a good idea.
Was pretty pumped to see my wife at the bike/run crossing three times, also had no idea where my brother was on the course and wasn't sure if he was in front or behind me. Turns out he had a shitty swim as he was only wearing a wetsuit top (56* water) so he was pretty much cooked for the rest of the day. My theory was if he was able to hang on to his age-wave gap over me (4 mins), I'm sure he had a better transition [he did], I know for certain he's a faster biker [he beat my time by like 4 mins heh and was just barely 2nd in his age group], that there was a beyond solid chance I was only going to see him on the 'run-back' coming back my way. Never did see him there which means either he won the whole race by like 10 mins [I saw the winner of the sprint coming back my way on the 5k out, and a few people called out thats who it was] that he had to be behind me unfortunately. I was kinda hoping to try and catch up to my bro on the jog because I'm a marginally better jogger than he his [well, really probably because he goes too hard on the bike... but he has similar reasoning to me on the swim leg for why he pushes it there... I'm cool with that]. He was saying something kinda funny regarding the 'pass line' and the 'die line'... I pretty much hung the 'die' line the whole time and he was non-stop passing people. I told him 'dont swim so slow and that wont be a problem lol!' ;\)

The end. Now on to the Alcatraz swim/run (the tri always fills up, it's already sold out)
I'm on the left/left. 6'1/190# of epic fatness ;\)

edit:
so my conclusion is I'm probably wasting my time @ masters swim weekly if the goal was to improve the swim leg [thats not why I do it tho fortunately], and I guess I'm a mix between the bike or the run being my weakest leg. Based not so much on the ranking(s) but where people were smoking by me I still have the furthest to go on the run. If anything I just sat in the drops and was conservative on the bike leg if I remember correctly. I didn't pass anyone unless they were sub 20mph and I had been on their tail for a bit. I was abundantly fearful of both bonking and cramping on the run which had happened to me many times recently.

FWIW my pre-race plan was to:
a) hold 1:30s 100y pace in the swim [which is a decent mid-workout pace for me], so I slightly exceeded this
b) hold 20mph which is pretty arbitrary I know [winds/terrain], but came up just a hair short. good enough
c) was guessing 28:30 5k would be about where I'd end up after these 2 efforts. Beat this by a little over a minute.
so other than blowing the transitions, a solid effort based on my estimations from my workouts.
I calculated my 5k speed from some kind of moving avg/trend from my recent bike/run bricks and looking only at the run part. my PR 5k is like 24:50 or something so I just added a minute/mile to that pace which also seemed to agree with the end result.

So perhaps I was properly pushing/pacing myself and I'm just not that fast ;\)
perhaps if I can get my 5k PR down around 22: something [dreaming?] I could do a 25:00 or something and pretty much keep up with everybody on the run at least not get passed every 30s or so ;\)

Standing around looking sexy in my oneill-52




More sexiness, 19.9 mph of pure slowness ;\)
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#7657172 - 04/21/14 04:20 AM Re: Tips for first triathlon? [Re: stickaz_old]
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Congrats! Sounds like you killed it out there.
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#7657187 - 04/21/14 05:51 AM Re: Tips for first triathlon? [Re: Design]
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Nice job dude...that's a super solid first outing...and eerily similar to my first sprint. : laugh1:


I bet if you ditched the surf suit and bought a $149 XTerra wetsuit, you'd shave some time off the swim and have some extra stuff in the tank on the bike. I know from experience.


Either way....excellent job. Post up the pics when you get them.
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#7663632 - 04/24/14 04:20 PM Re: Tips for first triathlon? [Re: gamby]
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ok next sprint is signed-up-for woot
pleasanton sprint tri
1/2 mile swim [reservoir]
13m bike [some hills, tight turns, a turn w/vehicle traffic]
5k run [trail, some elevation, not much]
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14:30 swim [1:30 100y pace aka workout/cruise stuff] #8/35 pace from last year
2:00 T1 [no wetsuit woo, it's warm]
34:00 bike [hilly I guess, tight turns, and traffic xing] #9/35 pace from last year
1:00 T2 [running shoes]
26:00 5k got a little work to do here, my recent PR isn't much more than a minute under this ;\) #14/35 pace from last year hehehe

so shooting for around 1:17:30--->#8/35 if equivalent to last year
a 'podium' spot or #3 required 1:10:xx last year. Kinda far from this. Although I have a minute to play with on the swim and possibly a couple(?) on the bike..


*oh who am I kidding, I'll go too fast on the swim, too fast on the bike, my transitions will suck and I'll probably mail it in on the run ;\)

edit 2: so basically I'm just hoping to slow down a hair on the swim leg, improve transitions tremendously [no wetsuit should make this super simple], basically have the same bike performance although that hill should make it a bit higher effort, and the run I need to drop about a minute and a half from last time. I get all competitive on the swim and I have to relax a bit. Worst case is I run into somebody pushing it [1:15 100y or better] and I nuke myself to stay in front of him. Hopefully I can find somebody around my pace to draft that would be awesome. Also supposedly you can do the same thing on the bike [just 3 lengths back--the draft still works a little they say]. That way I can save a bunch of energy for the run I guess.
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#7705295 - 05/23/14 10:10 PM Re: Tips for first triathlon? [Re: stickaz_old]
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Met up with Ironmom and swam over at Belmont Shore. First time in over a decade I've swam farther than 20 feet.

Let's just say I have some training to do.
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#7706000 - 05/24/14 11:43 PM Re: Tips for first triathlon? [Re: Design]
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Wewt join a masters swim class

Also do catalina nov 1 (sprint) should be fun. The hills on that course... Not so much lol
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#7706148 - 05/25/14 11:32 AM Re: Tips for first triathlon? [Re: stickaz_old]
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Kent did great for his first time in open water. A couple days a week in the pool and he'll nail the swim in his race.
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#7708121 - 05/27/14 11:46 AM Re: Tips for first triathlon? [Re: Sir Ironpool]
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Thanks - definitely need practice. I guess I'll use this thread to update progress. As I mentioned in the cardio thread I've been struggling with some soreness in the left knee. So switching gears for the Tri will be a welcomed change. My plan:

Mon - Run
Tue - Strength & Elliptical
Wed - Run
Thu - Strength & Elliptical
Fri - Swim (& run if feeling OK)
Sat - Rest or easy run
Sun - Strength & Ellyptical

Kids will be with me every day except Friday.
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#7753195 - 06/28/14 02:54 PM Re: Tips for first triathlon? [Re: Design]
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Pleasanton sprint triathlon results:

17:11 swim #8/39 @I don't even /100y pace [~900y course]
2:48 T1
34:30 bike #11/39 19.5mph
1:07 T2
26:55 run #19/39 8:40s/mi pace
1h22:31 total overall: #13/39 in AG

notes: bonked on the swim by going out too fast. This time includes the entire back half (~nearly 500 yards) being swum at warmdown breastroke pace lol. I did hit the 1st and 2nd buoys with a bit of a lead on the wave heh. oops

bike was good for me, left aerobar loosened up with about 3 miles to go in a headwind probably didn't help much but whatever. 19.5mph is good for me with some hills (250' of elevation on this course, so basically I'm at my goal speed. This is about a minute faster than any of the 3 laps I took last weekend trying to learn the course). In hindsight perhaps a little too fast. I set a PR by at least a minute on the category 4 climb here but I couldnt help myself as there was quite a 'die line' going up it.

And then the run. 26:55 ugh, with a few hills. Faster than last time tho there's that. Not passed by everybody and their brother, but quite a few tho and still slow. Ugh. I tried pretty hard at least. Did not feel good at the end heh. About 200' of elevation on this course which i know is nothing but yea

So still slow, 13/39 in AG which I guess is in the top half at least heh. I wonder if I paced myself better on the swim I probably would have had a much better day overall. No idea though. I felt like I did a good job pushing myself. Was playing cat-mouse on the run with a guy that ended up beating me by 5 seconds, lol cry. [back-of-the-pack racers!] I quietly went over to the grass and felt dizzy/exhausted but I was in line for a burrito 10 mins later.

So still slow ;\) I'm a little frustrated but I guess I learned something today.

^Fred in his outfit. Notice how nobody else is around lol [this is the beginning of the bike leg]
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#7753448 - 06/28/14 08:37 PM Re: Tips for first triathlon? [Re: stickaz_old]
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13/39 is top third, id say thats pretty good for just starting out. nice work!
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#7753572 - 06/28/14 11:48 PM Re: Tips for first triathlon? [Re: nato2377]
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Agreed. Nicely done.
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#7753716 - 06/29/14 10:11 AM Re: Tips for first triathlon? [Re: stickaz_old]
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13/39 is a fine effort, IMHO. You're well ahead of that "just happy to finish" crowd. Nice job.

Dumb question--how do you get the splits and the transition times?
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#7753861 - 06/29/14 01:27 PM Re: Tips for first triathlon? [Re: gamby]
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You wear ankle RFID chip/timer thingy and each area you pass through stops/starts the timer on that segment. Thanks for the kudos btw... I was just bummed I blew up on the swim lol. I already know im a slow biker and jogger hah. I guess that's the nature of this 'sport', I don't take the swim leg seriously since I expect to win my wave. I think I will slow the fuck down now on this leg. My next one is alcatraz July 20 which is at least (depending on current) 3x as far. But the risk of me going out on a ~1:00 100y pace is going to be roughly zero.

But after that I have a sprint again in Santa Cruz (sandman/ocean swim) in aug followed by my first olympic tri also in Santa Cruz in sept.
So a few more opportunities to get the pacing right. I tried a HR monitor for this one and it slowed me down a little in transition but whatever, was just curious. Averaged 150 for the bike+run together... Bike around 145 and run around 155, was just trying to evaluate my HR zones for training purposes. 150 is a nice round number to use but I'm thinking 155 is my anaerobic threshold based on avging 150 HR for 62 minutes including T2. Not really sure tho
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#7753939 - 06/29/14 03:40 PM Re: Tips for first triathlon? [Re: stickaz_old]
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I love the Stickaz self deprecating style. Keep working man.

Edited by BellRacer (06/29/14 03:41 PM)

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#7754082 - 06/29/14 06:34 PM Re: Tips for first triathlon? [Re: The Mighty BellRacer]
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Nice job Stickaz....that's a solid placing for sure. Santa Cruz area is chock full of fast dudes our age, so that placing is pretty damn nice.
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#7755807 - 06/30/14 09:47 PM Re: Tips for first triathlon? [Re: Sir Ironpool]
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Shaka bra. From this angle my zipps don't scream 'trying too hard' lol 19.5 mph
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#7755893 - 06/30/14 11:09 PM Re: Tips for first triathlon? [Re: stickaz_old]
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#7756031 - 07/01/14 07:53 AM Re: Tips for first triathlon? [Re: gamby]
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Are those clip ins?
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#7756202 - 07/01/14 10:19 AM Re: Tips for first triathlon? [Re: nato2377]
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HYea my mtb stuff
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