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#6561937 - 09/01/12 01:43 PM Marathon training
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I guess I will try to keep track of my progress here. Training for the Walt Disney World marathon (same one Monkeydias is entered in) in January. I am doing the Hal Higdon novice program and that will "officially" start on September 11 (I've been running as time and the 100 degree temps have allowed). It has me running a half on November 4 which, coincidentally, is the same day as a half put on by the local track club so I will enter that as well. I've run three half marathons over the last few years so this should be doable.

Wife is running with me and this will be her third full. I would really like to get under 4:00, but I think that could be optimistic. We will see though. If I do that November half in less than 2:00 - and I think that I can - I might feel better about my odds.

Ran an easy 7 miles today at 9:14 pace. Leaving the jogging stroller at home shaved about 25-30 seconds/mile off my pace

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#6562064 - 09/01/12 04:16 PM Re: Marathon training [Re: Cheesegoggles]
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I did my 7 today at a 9:37 pace. It was pretty warm for 7:00 in the morning. What does your schedule look like? I'm running four days a week, monday, wednesday, thursday at Saturday. Right now I'm doing 3,4,4,7. I'll be doing the 3,4,4 for a few more weeks but slowly increasing my saturday run each week. I'm actually planning on doing a full 26 miles roughly 3-4 weeks before the Disney race.
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#6562182 - 09/01/12 07:20 PM Re: Marathon training [Re: MonkeyStillAlive]
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Good luck. I had exactly the same goals for my first half and full marathon earlier this year but only meet one.
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#6562690 - 09/02/12 09:16 AM Re: Marathon training [Re: slackereg6]
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good luck bro. might start HM training again in about two weeks
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#6563581 - 09/02/12 11:16 PM Re: Marathon training [Re: Duc]
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I wouldnt recommend doing a full 26 for training, especially that close to the race.
My recommendation would be do an extra 20 somewhere, not sure how many your plan has you doing but I would aim for 3.
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#6563649 - 09/03/12 12:23 AM Re: Marathon training [Re: Ampsman in Extremis]
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My thought? Running for an hour is enough.

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#6563904 - 09/03/12 08:17 AM Re: Marathon training [Re: MonkeyStillAlive]
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 Originally Posted By: Monkeydias
I did my 7 today at a 9:37 pace. It was pretty warm for 7:00 in the morning. What does your schedule look like? I'm running four days a week, monday, wednesday, thursday at Saturday. Right now I'm doing 3,4,4,7. I'll be doing the 3,4,4 for a few more weeks but slowly increasing my saturday run each week. I'm actually planning on doing a full 26 miles roughly 3-4 weeks before the Disney race.

I am doing the Hal Higdon novice training plan. Basically a long run every Saturday, a medium length run on Wednesday, and short runs on Tuesday and Thursday.

And I agree with the person who said not to do 26 ahead of time. My wife did a more advanced plan for her second and it had two 20 mile runs but nothing longer.

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#6564114 - 09/03/12 11:23 AM Re: Marathon training [Re: Cheesegoggles]
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CN of the program?

I doubt I'll be running a marathon anytime soon, but I typically only run 8-11k and I'd like to maybe stretch that further on occasion.
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#6564127 - 09/03/12 11:42 AM Re: Marathon training [Re: Impulsive]
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Here is the program: http://halhigdon.com/training/51137/Marathon-Novice-1-Training-Program

At halhigdon.com there is training for a variety of distances and different programs work in varying amounts of speed work if you want something more than just go out and run x miles. Worth checking out.

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#6564580 - 09/03/12 07:02 PM Re: Marathon training [Re: Cheesegoggles]
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Yeah....recovery from anything longer than 18 or 20 is going to really eat into your training time and give you a better chance of getting injured.
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#6565108 - 09/04/12 01:20 AM Re: Marathon training [Re: Impulsive]
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 Originally Posted By: Impetuous
My thought? Running for an hour is enough.

I'd like to be more badass, but I'm not.


I'm cool with running for half an hour or so.
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#6570238 - 09/06/12 10:29 AM Re: Marathon training [Re: Cheesegoggles]
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 Originally Posted By: CrayCrayCrayCrayCray
 Originally Posted By: Monkeydias
I did my 7 today at a 9:37 pace. It was pretty warm for 7:00 in the morning. What does your schedule look like? I'm running four days a week, monday, wednesday, thursday at Saturday. Right now I'm doing 3,4,4,7. I'll be doing the 3,4,4 for a few more weeks but slowly increasing my saturday run each week. I'm actually planning on doing a full 26 miles roughly 3-4 weeks before the Disney race.

I am doing the Hal Higdon novice training plan. Basically a long run every Saturday, a medium length run on Wednesday, and short runs on Tuesday and Thursday.

And I agree with the person who said not to do 26 ahead of time. My wife did a more advanced plan for her second and it had two 20 mile runs but nothing longer.


I was wondering if I should do one or not. I figured I should just do it to see if I can. I think i'll adjust my plan to not do it.

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#6620394 - 10/01/12 08:37 AM Re: Marathon training [Re: MonkeyStillAlive]
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3 weeks in for a total of about 40 miles. Since I've run a few half marathons this isn't especially challenging mileage for me. Biggest issue is running three days in a row on Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday. Even though they are short runs, my knees are always a little sore the day after a run. I usually avoided back to back days and had never run back to back to back until a few weeks ago. So far not bad. Overall pace has been about 9:15 which includes some runs with a jogging stroller and some intervals where the overall pace is higher than what we normally run. We would really like to finish in less than four hours which requires 9:10 or better. We have a half in a month to gauge how we are doing.

Next long run on Saturday is 9 miles. That will be the longest I have run since a half marathon summer of last year. Should not be a problem, though.

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#6621774 - 10/01/12 06:13 PM Re: Marathon training [Re: Cheesegoggles]
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Go get it buddy.


This may sound crazy, but one thing that I have done several times in the past and am doing again this month, is to do a month long stretch of running every day. Follow your plan, but even on your recovery days, still go out for at least a 3 mile run.

It's fantastic for getting your body used to the beating it will take during the race, not to mention you'll get faster. I found that after the first 5-7 days of soreness, it didn't bother me again.
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#6623588 - 10/02/12 02:12 PM Re: Marathon training [Re: Sir Ironpool]
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Go cray cray! I did a 15k last weekend at a 8:57 pace which I was really happy with. Last two weekends prior to that I was doing 9 miles at a 9:30-9:40 pace. Although the weekend after the 15k I tried to go out on a saturday morning after drinking a bit to much friday night. That was brutal!
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#6624000 - 10/02/12 04:44 PM Re: Marathon training [Re: MonkeyStillAlive]
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My gf just ran the tower of terror 10-mile run. She said it was horrible. 10k+ participants with most of them being walkers. There were choke points along the course where you could not pass the walkers and you'd literally have to walk yourself until you could pass.

I hope the Disney marathon races aren't the same.
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#6624016 - 10/02/12 04:47 PM Re: Marathon training [Re: Back 5]
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Thanks all.
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My gf just ran the tower of terror 10-mile run. She said it was horrible. 10k+ participants with most of them being walkers. There were choke points along the course where you could not pass the walkers and you'd literally have to walk yourself until you could pass.

I hope the Disney marathon races aren't the same.

I am a bit worried about this. They do stage you for the marathon and, if I understand correctly, require you to submit a prior 10k or longer time to support not being in the very last corral. We will see how all of this shakes out.

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#6624185 - 10/02/12 05:56 PM Re: Marathon training [Re: Cheesegoggles]
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Corralled races usually go pretty smoothly, but you still get a few tards in there who clearly overestimated their abilities. The wife and I passed a large number of people who were in our corral at the San Diego RnR marathon. They at least did a good job of separating the half runners from the full.
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#6624298 - 10/02/12 06:45 PM Re: Marathon training [Re: Sir Ironpool]
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The 10-mile race was corralled start. Gun went off every 5 minutes. There were still people who were walking the entire event and were in corral A.
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#6628128 - 10/04/12 12:26 PM Re: Marathon training [Re: Back 5]
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The 10-mile race was corralled start. Gun went off every 5 minutes. There were still people who were walking the entire event and were in corral A.


I have a feeling that is how it will be. There are going to be a shit ton of people there.

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#6632829 - 10/07/12 10:33 AM Re: Marathon training [Re: MonkeyStillAlive]
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I went out this morning and met up with a friend who runs with a tri training club. We did the longest run I've ever done. 18 miles! I'm pretty damn beat. We ran it pretty slow, 10-11 minute miles but it felt good to know that I can go that far.
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#6633043 - 10/07/12 01:23 PM Re: Marathon training [Re: MonkeyStillAlive]
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Nice job!

I had the cub scouts out on the Long Beach marathon course this morning handing out Otter Pops. People loved it! The wife ran the half in 1:45 on very little training, damn her!
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#6633291 - 10/07/12 04:17 PM Re: Marathon training [Re: Sir Ironpool]
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That's a great time your wife put up.
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#6635488 - 10/08/12 08:15 PM Re: Marathon training [Re: MonkeyStillAlive]
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That's a great time your wife put up.


Yeah...she was 22nd out of almost 1100 in her AG. That was being 3 minutes off her PR for that distance. Makes me sick how much natural talent she has.
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#6637185 - 10/09/12 02:50 PM Re: Marathon training [Re: Sir Ironpool]
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Here's some motivation or demotivation for y'all. This guy ran a 2:35 in a suit like it was no big deal. Funny video, dude seems like a typical super freakin' nice canadian guy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=jhTIhV33P-s

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#6637288 - 10/09/12 03:45 PM Re: Marathon training [Re: micah]
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Fuuuuu...
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#6643484 - 10/12/12 12:36 PM Re: Marathon training [Re: Sir Ironpool]
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#6645663 - 10/13/12 11:20 PM Re: Marathon training [Re: MonkeyStillAlive]
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Me and my g/f were hoping to enter this next year, but I just don't seem to have the heart for running like I did 10 years ago. I can do any type of cardio for over an hour. When I run, I'm ready to be done by the time I hit a mile. I just get bored, and tired. Granted I've mostly been running indoors since weather never co-operates when I can go out for a jog.

Best of luck with the marathon. Hopefully I get the motivation. Running a marathon has always been a life goal.
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#6655119 - 10/18/12 09:36 AM Re: Marathon training [Re: Shicken]
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 Originally Posted By: Shicken
Me and my g/f were hoping to enter this next year, but I just don't seem to have the heart for running like I did 10 years ago. I can do any type of cardio for over an hour. When I run, I'm ready to be done by the time I hit a mile. I just get bored, and tired. Granted I've mostly been running indoors since weather never co-operates when I can go out for a jog.

Best of luck with the marathon. Hopefully I get the motivation. Running a marathon has always been a life goal.


I've noticed that when running on a treadmill it's much harder to go further than it is to run outside. It's very boring on a treadmill.

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#6655161 - 10/18/12 09:49 AM Re: Marathon training [Re: MonkeyStillAlive]
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I find outdoor running harder in the physical sense, but treadmill running is much more mentally intensive. Time stands still and in most of the places (i.e. hotels) where I use them, they are in hot, poorly ventilated rooms.
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#6655184 - 10/18/12 10:01 AM Re: Marathon training [Re: MonkeyStillAlive]
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 Originally Posted By: Monkeydias
 Originally Posted By: Shicken
Me and my g/f were hoping to enter this next year, but I just don't seem to have the heart for running like I did 10 years ago. I can do any type of cardio for over an hour. When I run, I'm ready to be done by the time I hit a mile. I just get bored, and tired. Granted I've mostly been running indoors since weather never co-operates when I can go out for a jog.

Best of luck with the marathon. Hopefully I get the motivation. Running a marathon has always been a life goal.


I've noticed that when running on a treadmill it's much harder to go further than it is to run outside. It's very boring on a treadmill.

My limit on the treadmill is about 4 miles. Between it just being boring and the insufficient air movement, I hate it.

5 and a half weeks in with a total of 85 miles run. Also dropped about six pounds in that time. Would like to drop a few more before running a half on November 4.

12 mile run this weekend. Would like to average about 9:00/mile. Temp should be about 50 degrees when we go out Saturday morning, which should be plenty comfortable.

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#6655701 - 10/18/12 01:26 PM Re: Marathon training [Re: Cheesegoggles]
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Nice job man...sound like you're following that plan to a t.
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#6657983 - 10/19/12 12:16 PM Re: Marathon training [Re: Sir Ironpool]
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I'm going to do a half this tomorrow probably. I've pretty much forgotten about the plan since I did the 18 a few weeks ago. I'm just doing my own thing now. I have noticed i've been getting a pain in my right leg though. Starts at about my hip down to my knee on the front side of my leg.
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#6660951 - 10/21/12 08:07 AM Re: Marathon training [Re: MonkeyStillAlive]
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12 miles yesterday in 1:48. Wife and I were a little sick yesterday, too. I also skipped my three miler on Thursday which may have helped - my knees needed the break.

Next weekend's long run is only 7 miles (and will be run in Cancun ). Then we run a half in two weeks.

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#6665436 - 10/23/12 09:31 AM Re: Marathon training [Re: Cheesegoggles]
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Looks like I'm right there with you cray. I did 11.75 in 1:45 on Sunday. Also, I think I figured out my problem with my leg/knee. I was reading that if you have weak hips it can cause your form to break down as you run and lead to those injuries. I've started doing exercises to help with it and so far it seems to be working.
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