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#57090 - 09/29/04 04:03 PM 99-00 si auto crossers...(newb question)
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.... (when auto crossing) do u guys have a problem with the civic's slow steering response? i have a 00 si and it takes about 3 full turns of the steering wheel just to make a U turn. i know the response is quicker the faster you go, but you dont really reach high speeds when you auto cross. thanks in advance
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#57091 - 09/29/04 04:38 PM Re: 99-00 si auto crossers...(newb question)
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I complain about the same problem. You have 3 options:
1. Deal with it. (this is what I do)
2. Use a different car.
3. Change the steering ratio (I don't know if there are aftermarket parts for this or not. You might have to fabricate parts).
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#57092 - 09/30/04 06:58 AM Re: 99-00 si auto crossers...(newb question)
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Are you talking about understeer? (plowing toward the outside of a turn) To counter that, you might want to stiffen up the rear with a strut barr or get stiffer shocks. As for quicker steering, you could only get that from a steering rack with a faster gear ratio. I don't know if there are any steering rack transplants that can be done on a 99 civic. Does anyone else know?
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#57093 - 09/30/04 09:06 AM Re: 99-00 si auto crossers...(newb question)
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Well also to counteract understeer just brake earlier
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#57094 - 09/30/04 04:08 PM Re: 99-00 si auto crossers...(newb question)
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He's not talking about understeer.

He's talking about the BUS-LIKE steering that the 99-00 Si rack gives us.

Response #2 is accurate. Faster rack, or deal with it. It sucks ass...trust me.
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#57095 - 09/30/04 08:54 PM Re: 99-00 si auto crossers...(newb question)
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Quote:

He's not talking about understeer.





I was answering Honda_bot's answer
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#57096 - 10/01/04 07:48 AM Re: 99-00 si auto crossers...(newb question)
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I am curious however, If there is a faster steering rack that could be transplanted into a 99-00 civic.
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#57097 - 10/01/04 09:29 AM Re: 99-00 si auto crossers...(newb question)
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The 01 Civic racks are faster, but I believe the suspension was changed to a MacPherson strut, so it most likely won't bolt up. It is possible to have one custom made, but it will cost you.

Anybody know what the steering ratio actually is on the 99-00 Si?

Maybe an Integra rack will work.

Edit - I posted a question about this in the Skidpad forum


Edited by PottyScotty (10/01/04 04:50 PM)
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#57098 - 10/13/04 09:39 AM Re: 99-00 si auto crossers...(newb question)
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I believe the 98-00 Civic Type-R Rack is quicker. but im not 100% But its a bolt on
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#57099 - 10/18/04 01:55 PM Re: 99-00 si auto crossers...(newb question)
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All Honda steering (sans S2000) sucks. I have trouble going from the quick steering in my VW to the Honda. It cannot be cured. You just need to really crank the wheel and take the line that requires least amount of streering input (aka the tight line).

No rack swaps in without losing power steering. Rumor has it that Quaife is making a replacement rack with much quicker ratios.
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#57100 - 01/22/05 10:23 AM Re: 99-00 si auto crossers...(newb question)
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I know from reading in SCC a few years ago that the Integra and I am pretty sure the Del Sol rack will not bolt up. I think the cross members are different. They did mention the possibilty of pulling the rack and swapping the internals. But that just sounds like a lot of work for a marginal improvement.
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#57101 - 01/22/05 05:22 PM Re: 99-00 si auto crossers...(newb question)
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There is no direct replacement for the 99-00 Si steering rack, the only thing you could possibly do is go to a non power steering DX rack, and i beleive it is very close to the same ratio and it would bump you into a bad class for hte mod.

No JDM part will bolt on as it is left hand drive vs right hand and they are different setups, the Integra's wont fit cause that is based off the 5'th gen civic while not bolt up to the EJ / EK chassis.

We are stuck, Quaife might make one like Sam said, they have started making replacements, but nothing yet.
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#57102 - 01/30/05 04:58 PM Re: 99-00 si auto crossers...(newb question)
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I just found Quaife quick ratio steering racks for 88-91 and 92-95 civics, but none for our cars yet... hopefully soon!! Theyre also relatively cheap as what i had expected from quaife, only about 230$!!
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#57103 - 04/03/05 10:59 AM Re: 99-00 si auto crossers...(newb question)
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power steering by "armstrong" just be faster , My friends got an EVO and I hate the steering in that, way to quick for my taste, I like the way the SI feels when I'm auto-xing it doesn't twicth around
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