#53557 - 08/25/04 02:03 PM
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shivers
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Hondas don't have camber adjustment from the factory. Toe kills tires, not camber. Have your toe set to 0 degrees.
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#53558 - 08/25/04 06:28 PM
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ShaneSestito
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Toe kills tires, not camber.
That is bullshit, that is a rumor. I had neg 2.8 in the back and 1.6 in the front after lowering my car on teins. The tires went out in 15,000 with an acceptable factory spec alignment. The outside of the tires has what looks to be another 10-15,000 miles available. I just bought a skunk 2 camber kit with my tires 7 days ago.
I see the camber wear, you look like you have some bad neg camber in the pictures. As far as the rear goes, you can use washers and guess, but rear camber kits are very cheap. The install on the kit is very easy, minus having to take out my front suspension to be able to get t othe upper control arm bolts with enough torque to break the factory torque-down.
They are all about the same, the factory controll arms aren't going to be any stronger than replacements. Just think about getting a full UCA assembly, as opposed to the slide in shit.
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#53559 - 08/25/04 07:09 PM
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#53560 - 08/25/04 07:23 PM
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anotherznguy
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1 run 3 degreed negative camber up front and .5 rear.. and my front tires doesnt look bad at all... just gotta rotate often.. =) dont hate for my wierd suspension setup... i like the feel of the car.
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#53562 - 08/25/04 10:13 PM
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CivicRacerExR
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I've run -2.5 front and -2.0 rear camber BUT 0 toe front and rear and my tires have lasted well over a year (15,000 miles). Think about it this way. Camber you are just rolling on the edges of the tire. While toe is like pushing an eraser on sandpaper.
If both of them are really out of whack then you'll get accelerated sidewall wear.
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#53563 - 08/27/04 11:35 AM
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ShaneSestito
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Since when is cutting your tire life in half considered ok? 15,000 miles for a set of tires is NOT ok. lol. step off the track guys, tires last 30-40,000 miles. My stock michilens went to 42,xxx. I got the yoko's, added suspension, and 15,000miles later i was on belts. I was never on belts with the michelines. That is ALL camber right there. CAMBER AFFECTS YOUR TIRES. just because you feel that toe (rightfully) affects your tires more than camber, do not go spinning words to the nubs about how camber isn't bad for your tires, it cost me 400 and then a camber kit!!!
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#53564 - 08/27/04 06:40 PM
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#53566 - 08/27/04 07:51 PM
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CivicRacerExR
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Surprise, factory all season tires last 40,000 miles.
High performance summer tires do not.
Thank you, come again.
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Hahaha  Azenis are MAX Performace or Ultra High Performance just lilke the Kumho MXs. They are not designed to last over 20,000 miles. What did you expect for a sticky street tire? Even my wife's Dunlop SP5000s have only lasted about 25-30,000 miles. And those are considered performance all seasons.
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#53567 - 08/30/04 02:26 AM
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ShaneSestito
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the yokohama's were supposed to last 35,000. they lasted less than half that. I dont understand why my experience is not valid?
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#53568 - 08/30/04 08:36 AM
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CivicRacerExR
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the yokohama's were supposed to last 35,000. they lasted less than half that. I dont understand why my experience is not valid?
And where are you getting this info?
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#53569 - 08/30/04 10:46 AM
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ShaneSestito
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That is what i was told when i bought them, and here, eopinions.com has some reviews of em. They are NOT high preformance summer tires, and they were on belts after 15,000miles.
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#53571 - 08/30/04 02:49 PM
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shivers
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That is what i was told when i bought them, and here, eopinions.com has some reviews of em. They are NOT high preformance summer tires, and they were on belts after 15,000miles.
epinions.com
You CAN'T compare traction, temperature, and treadwear ratings ACROSS different manufacturers ... you can only use them for reference between different models from the same manufacturer (e.g., RE730 vs. RE92).
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the yokohama's were supposed to last 35,000. they lasted less than half that. I dont understand why my experience is not valid?
Because you're arguing with people that have more aggressive camber than you, yet all of our tires are wearing just fine. Tires are a freaking WEAR item, get over it.
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#53572 - 08/30/04 04:36 PM
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ShaneSestito
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At 30,000 miles on these Yokohama's, they are about 90% worn
That is from the review.
Mine lasted 15,000 to belts. The outside of the tire had 10,000+ miles on it. Maybe i had some super freak tires that respond to camber unlike your high preformance dry-season race tires  , but the idea is he had the tires for at least 30,000 miles. He said he drove the car hard. There is no more information to be had in this post.
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#53573 - 08/30/04 06:13 PM
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CivicRacerExR
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You CAN'T compare traction, temperature, and treadwear ratings ACROSS different manufacturers ... you can only use them for reference between different models from the same manufacturer (e.g., RE730 vs. RE92).
Because you're arguing with people that have more aggressive camber than you, yet all of our tires are wearing just fine. Tires are a freaking WEAR item, get over it.
Right you cannot compare tread wear between companies. Each company has a different set of standards for tread wear. One company's 140 tread wear might be another company's 300 tread wear.
Some people say Falken Azenis is not really 200. I had Yokohama A520s that lasted me over 2 years with about 40,000 miles and that tread wear was 180.
Also realize alignment has a BIG impact on how your tires wear, as well as how you drive, what you drive, and what wheels you put your tires on.
Put a 225 wide tire on a 6" wide wheel and you are going to have some crazy wear issues. Put a 195 wide tire on the same 6" wheel and wear should be more even.
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#53574 - 08/30/04 10:47 PM
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ShaneSestito
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read all of my posts once again
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#53576 - 09/08/04 12:15 PM
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RyCeRoCkEtZ
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Hondas don't have camber adjustment from the factory. Toe kills tires, not camber. Have your toe set to 0 degrees.
In the order of the most wire tear - Toe, Camber, then Caster. Toe indeed will rape your tires in no time, as for camber, rotate tires more often (or just do the rear washer trick and get front camber kit).
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#53578 - 09/09/04 12:27 PM
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fontanes
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the yokohama's were supposed to last 35,000. they lasted less than half that. I dont understand why my experience is not valid?
weird...
My 17" Yoko Paradas have 42K miles on them and still have about 4/32 tread left on them...I must have had a bad batch... 
No camber tho... 0deg
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#53579 - 09/12/04 11:29 AM
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nawoj
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Since when is cutting your tire life in half considered ok? 15,000 miles for a set of tires is NOT ok. lol. step off the track guys, tires last 30-40,000 miles. My stock michilens went to 42,xxx. I got the yoko's, added suspension, and 15,000miles later i was on belts. I was never on belts with the michelines. That is ALL camber right there. CAMBER AFFECTS YOUR TIRES. just because you feel that toe (rightfully) affects your tires more than camber, do not go spinning words to the nubs about how camber isn't bad for your tires, it cost me 400 and then a camber kit!!!
did you get an alignment after your suspension install... because when you drop... you not only add negative camber, but your toe also changes...
speaking from experience TOE FUCKS A TIRE UP HARDCORE..... / \ going down the road is going to eat up your tires | | isnt [thats a top view BTW]
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#9158597 - 10/13/17 08:20 PM
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