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#4991342 - 08/26/10 03:21 PM Behind the scenes HPF 1000 hp M3 engines
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Cross post from OT. figured some of you may enjoy it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRAnBgQ_B7M

just follow the links at the end of the videos. There are 4 parts.

just giving some back round info on what they do(and if youve never taken a motor apart or assembled one) you will learn a few things.
Its nothing earth shattering or anything but still a decent watch(even with the annoying hoist ;\) )
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#4991547 - 08/26/10 04:26 PM Re: Behind the scenes HPF 1000 hp M3 engines [Re: ]
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I'm currently reading this:

http://www.amazon.com/Stock-Car-Racing-Engine-TechnologyHP1506/dp/1557885060

So far it is a very good book with a lot of quality information. I'd recommend it to anybody who wants to know more about making engines work better for an intended purpose.
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#4991744 - 08/26/10 06:17 PM Re: Behind the scenes HPF 1000 hp M3 engines [Re: Euphoricuck]
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Like I said in the OT thread: $44k for 1000hp. I dunno.
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#4991984 - 08/26/10 08:03 PM Re: Behind the scenes HPF 1000 hp M3 engines [Re: progressi]
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Instead of buying a M3 and spending 44K I would buy a 2011 ford mustang. Then I would modify the stang to make well in excess of 1000whp and actually have a usable torque band. With the left over cash I would then by a SVT Raptor and a new enclosed trailor to tow the mustang where I wanted. With the left over money I would buy euphoric some blow and a weekend in vegas.
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#4991994 - 08/26/10 08:07 PM Re: Behind the scenes HPF 1000 hp M3 engines [Re: danl]
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Just found this:

http://www.bimmerboost.com/content.php?383-HPF-Stage-2-M3-137-139-mph-traps-disproved
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#4992044 - 08/26/10 08:40 PM Re: Behind the scenes HPF 1000 hp M3 engines [Re: danl]
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 Originally Posted By: danl
With the left over money I would buy euphoric some blow and a weekend in vegas.


Huh?

Euphoric blows plenty... Of dudes and hot air.
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#4992094 - 08/26/10 09:04 PM Re: Behind the scenes HPF 1000 hp M3 engines [Re: GB]
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When I first saw the title I thought "HFP", like Honda Factory Performance.... but then the "1000 HP" had me do a double-take lol more like 100hp
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#4992288 - 08/26/10 10:36 PM Re: Behind the scenes HPF 1000 hp M3 engines [Re: NOT spotch...]
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heres to hoping danl gets that mustang! \:D

and yes 44k is a joke. but its still interesting to see some of the stuff they do, especially if you have never seen anything like that before.

thanks for the link to the book too
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#4992489 - 08/27/10 12:01 AM Re: Behind the scenes HPF 1000 hp M3 engines [Re: danl]
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 Originally Posted By: danl
Just found this:

http://www.bimmerboost.com/content.php?383-HPF-Stage-2-M3-137-139-mph-traps-disproved
Yikes! So I saw that they say the car trapped 126 mph later.

 Quote:
1----10.981 @ 128.90--1.77---jamie furman ------'06. -----Details
2----11.138 @ 127.20--1.76---Ranger------'06. -----Details
3----11.177 @ 127.08--1.79---walterm32 -----'08-----Details
4----11.242 @ 122.38--1.68---Dr.Ron------'06. ----------Details
5----11.311 @ 122.89--1.80---BLU-BY-U------'06. -----Details ******** Top 10 avg: 11.291 @ 125.320
6----11.349 @ 124.97--1.75---zosix427-----'06. -------Details
7----11.392 @ 124.84--1.92--- C5 Frank------'06-------Details
8----11.429 @ 124.88--1.86---dgdoc------'06. -----Details
9----11.443 @ 125.93--1.95---O7zeeO6------'07----Details
10---11.458 @ 124.13--1.80--- layjzay----- '06 -------Details
**************************************** *****************
11---11.488 @ 123.86--1.80---Z06kait-----'07-------Details
12---11.545 @ 123.16--1.83---dpracing-----'07 -------Details
13---11.554 @ 124.13--1.86---jtfx-----'07 ------Details
14---11.557 @ 126.68--1.95---Incon306-----'07 -------Details
15---11.560 @ 124.53--1.85---Zlicious-----'06. -------Details *****Top 20 avg 11.435@ 124.369
16---11.592 @ 125.94--1.95---Goatts-----'09 -------Details


Top 16 stock Zs from Corvetteforum. Just sayin' ;\)
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#4992554 - 08/27/10 01:01 AM Re: Behind the scenes HPF 1000 hp M3 engines [Re: progressi]
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you be trollin...

lol thats for a stage 2

 Quote:

91 Octane (518hp)
91 Oct + Alc (670hp)
110 Octane (731hp)
110 Oct + Alc (762hp)


heres a stg 2 vs a 427ci c5 z06(so hawt)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_vHB3MsU00
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#4992569 - 08/27/10 01:28 AM Re: Behind the scenes HPF 1000 hp M3 engines [Re: Euphoricuck]
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and heres a stage..i dunno what on the track

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zW5tEedhIGM

its pretty..quick
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#4992605 - 08/27/10 02:21 AM Re: Behind the scenes HPF 1000 hp M3 engines [Re: Euphoricuck]
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 Originally Posted By: Euphoric
heres a stg 2 vs a 427ci c5 z06(so hawt)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_vHB3MsU00


Excellent video.
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#4994766 - 08/27/10 05:24 PM Re: Behind the scenes HPF 1000 hp M3 engines [Re: Euphoricuck]
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 Originally Posted By: Euphoric


thanks for the link to the book too


Get the book and you will see why what they are doing to that engine that is so "special" is 20-30 year old technology.

The problem is, by the time it is in book form, it is still 10 years old technology and you are still behind the curve of a successful modern day race program.
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#4996747 - 08/28/10 10:19 PM Re: Behind the scenes HPF 1000 hp M3 engines [Re: danl]
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the only thing I learned from that video was about the plateau brushes.
I've never heard of them before. seems like a logical step, and a great way to squeeze ~50k(made up number) more miles from your good-compression motor.

otherwise, I don't see what the big deal is. Supras have been making 1000Hp since '98.

(using the I6 likeness)
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#4996850 - 08/28/10 11:11 PM Re: Behind the scenes HPF 1000 hp M3 engines [Re: CommonGutterTrash]
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That corvette sounds badass, jesus christ.
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#4996912 - 08/28/10 11:44 PM Re: Behind the scenes HPF 1000 hp M3 engines [Re: Serendipitous]
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 Originally Posted By: Serendipitous
 Originally Posted By: Euphoric
heres a stg 2 vs a 427ci c5 z06(so hawt)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_vHB3MsU00


Excellent video.

HAHAHAHA

That douchebag in the M3 ACTUALLY HAS a fucking HKS SSQV

how can such a LEGIT car be so fucking stupid?!
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#4996924 - 08/28/10 11:52 PM Re: Behind the scenes HPF 1000 hp M3 engines [Re: Euphoricuck]
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Not trolling,just trying to say.....you can buy an all motor small block making 900HP for your Outlaw for the same price. I dont think it's worth it.

Its cool though,I mean,just 'cause it's making alot of power.

And good on that C5,I love me some all motor!
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#4996929 - 08/29/10 12:00 AM Re: Behind the scenes HPF 1000 hp M3 engines [Re: CommonGutterTrash]
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 Originally Posted By: g96nt
the only thing I learned from that video was about the plateau brushes.
I've never heard of them before. seems like a logical step, and a great way to squeeze ~50k(made up number) more miles from your good-compression motor.

otherwise, I don't see what the big deal is. Supras have been making 1000Hp since '98.

(using the I6 likeness)


In a factory turbocharged starting form, douchenozzle.
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#4997379 - 08/29/10 12:12 PM Re: Behind the scenes HPF 1000 hp M3 engines [Re: LNXGUY]
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 Originally Posted By: LNXGUY
That corvette sounds badass, jesus christ.
+1

Can I swap one of those V8s in the M3 instead?
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#5016297 - 09/07/10 10:24 AM Re: Behind the scenes HPF 1000 hp M3 engines [Re: GB]
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 Originally Posted By: g96nt
the only thing I learned from that video was about the plateau brushes.
I've never heard of them before. seems like a logical step, and a great way to squeeze ~50k(made up number) more miles from your good-compression motor.

otherwise, I don't see what the big deal is. Supras have been making 1000Hp since '98.

(using the I6 likeness)


In a factory turbocharged starting form, douchenozzle.


Is that Toyota's fault?
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#5016575 - 09/07/10 11:46 AM Re: Behind the scenes HPF 1000 hp M3 engines [Re: CommonGutterTrash]
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 Originally Posted By: g96nt
the only thing I learned from that video was about the plateau brushes.
I've never heard of them before. seems like a logical step, and a great way to squeeze ~50k(made up number) more miles from your good-compression motor

Yeah, that was a pretty neat feature...I was very interested in hearing what the engine builder had to say about easy break-in and how it effects ring life, bore shape, etc. but of course that fukn doofus host stepped all over his explanation with some retarded commentary of his own \:\(
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#5017245 - 09/07/10 03:29 PM Re: Behind the scenes HPF 1000 hp M3 engines [Re: FCobra94]
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Even my backwoods PA machine shop did a plateu brush in 2006 on my engine. Its been around since smokey yunick was a crew chief in the early days of nascar.

Still, a plateu brush is cool and all but the real issues arise with cylinder wall distortion as the block heats up. Makes torque plates seem like a small bump in the road when confronted with real world distortion data from just heat. Because of this hot honing is trickling down from (once again) nascar and formula one.

Then you get into engine specific issues such as motor mounting and block flexing and twisting. Camshaft twisting etc....
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