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#4917879 - 07/25/10 10:57 PM car won't start after rebuild
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ok this is a sad tale, but read on. I put a JRSC kit on my GSR in 2002 and broke a ring land in 2003, so i had the engine rebuilt with forged internals and built my own air to liquid intercooler setup using a spearco cooler. Get everything put together and the car won't start, it offers and chugs once or twice than just cranks over and over. had 2 of my honda mechanic friends over and they couldn't find anything wrong that would cause it, and had other car buddies over who are knowledgable car guys and nothing. I got married and bought a house had 2 kids and the car sat because of a lack of funds. this summer i decided to try and get the car working again. this time spent a whole day going over the cars sensors and wiring with my friend who is an electrical engineer. Everything checks out fine double check all connections and timing. So tonight we towed the car to check for a massive vacuum leak somewhere. The car would pull start and seem to run ok but if you pushed in the clutch it would die, and if you pressed the throttle it would drop to zero vacuum and make a loud sporadic hissing sound, almost like a quite blow off valve. What do you think the problem could be? Thinking back when the head was going back on there was one dowel pin that was very snug and the head had to be pulled down to the block by tightening the head studs. I'm wondering if the head never sealed properly and is causing this issue. the engine shows 180psi across all four cylinders on a compression check though?
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#4918249 - 07/26/10 08:17 AM Re: car won't start after rebuild [Re: JRSC2001GSR]
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Are you getting spark?

Are you getting fuel?

Double check your timing w/a timing light?

If it's in time, and you are getting fuel/spark then it WILL start.
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#4918500 - 07/26/10 10:02 AM Re: car won't start after rebuild [Re: SiAdam]
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That's the problem I'm stuck with. It has fuel it has spark and everything is in time it just won't start. I tried with the stock manifold and injectors and still nothing.
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#4918592 - 07/26/10 10:32 AM Re: car won't start after rebuild [Re: JRSC2001GSR]
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 Originally Posted By: JRSC2001GSR
That's the problem I'm stuck with. It has fuel it has spark and everything is in time it just won't start. I tried with the stock manifold and injectors and still nothing.


Has it run since you put it back together?

What EMS are you using?
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#4921093 - 07/27/10 08:33 AM Re: car won't start after rebuild [Re: SiAdam]
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i would check

1)ems/ecu
2)fuel pump
3)do a leak down test
4)possibly clogged cat?

any check engine lights?


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#4922336 - 07/27/10 02:50 PM Re: car won't start after rebuild [Re: titty sprinkles]
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Stock ecu and ems don't work running the 30 1010 aem ems. buddy is bringing over his leak down tester. Fuel pump is working fuel pressure is right. No check engine lights
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#4922427 - 07/27/10 03:12 PM Re: car won't start after rebuild [Re: JRSC2001GSR]
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 Originally Posted By: JRSC2001GSR
Stock ecu and ems don't work running the 30 1010 aem ems. buddy is bringing over his leak down tester. Fuel pump is working fuel pressure is right. No check engine lights


Put stock injectors back in and stock ecu.

Test, check engine lights/etc.
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#4922667 - 07/27/10 04:49 PM Re: car won't start after rebuild [Re: SiAdam]
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 Originally Posted By: JRSC2001GSR
Stock ecu and ems don't work running the 30 1010 aem ems. buddy is bringing over his leak down tester. Fuel pump is working fuel pressure is right. No check engine lights


Put stock injectors back in and stock ecu.

Test, check engine lights/etc.


Stock ecu and injectors are installed and it wont start. No check engine lights.
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#4923313 - 07/27/10 10:01 PM Re: car won't start after rebuild [Re: JRSC2001GSR]
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I'd get a known good ecu...that one could be fried
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#4929723 - 07/30/10 11:13 AM Re: car won't start after rebuild [Re: SiAdam]
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no weird sounds from the motor? rotating assembly turning fine? what did the oil look like the last time you changed it?

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#4932602 - 07/31/10 11:49 PM Re: car won't start after rebuild [Re: titty sprinkles]
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only weird sound was the quite blowoff valve sound when the car was pull started and that sounds like a compression leak or something to me. the oil was completely normal the last time it was changed and the car has not run since the rebuild, but the oil was changed just because it has been sitting and probably pulling moisture into the oil.
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#4936006 - 08/02/10 06:22 PM Re: car won't start after rebuild [Re: JRSC2001GSR]
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that sucks man
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#4940209 - 08/04/10 09:58 AM Re: car won't start after rebuild [Re: JRSC2001GSR]
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Check your engine coolant sensor and plugs.
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#5083584 - 10/05/10 09:45 PM Re: car won't start after rebuild [Re: 00OldSi]
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Ok sick of it not runnin pulled the head off yesterday. Everything is good. Measured the valve stem heights because I was worried about the seats being cut to much and losing spring pressure possibly causing the no start issue. They all measured out fine. Pulled out a few intake and exhaust valves and check them for the spring pressure at the installed height and that was fine also. Reassembled the head and it ready to put back in the car, but I got a set of new skunk2 valve springs and titanium retainers for a good deal so I'm installing those first. Tomorrow I'm tearing the distributor apart to check the coils and ignition control module. Pretty much has to be what it is. Was messing around with checking spark and firing order and it looked like a weak spark to me, which would cause it to not start and run like hell if it did. Wish me luck. If it is the distributor I'm gonna be replaying the scene from office space where they take the printer out and smash it.
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#5084382 - 10/06/10 09:01 AM Re: car won't start after rebuild [Re: JRSC2001GSR]
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Do you have another dizzy you could swap?
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#5087169 - 10/07/10 02:24 AM Re: car won't start after rebuild [Re: SiAdam]
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do hondas have crank or cam position sensors? common bmw no start problem.
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#5087617 - 10/07/10 10:05 AM Re: car won't start after rebuild [Re: cvclover]
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 Originally Posted By: cvclover
do hondas have crank or cam position sensors? common bmw no start problem.


Crank sensor, I know my s2k has 2 cam sensors, I don't think they the b series did though.

It would really help if you could borrow a hondata or aem and see what is going on, instead of guessing.
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#5092442 - 10/08/10 10:41 PM Re: car won't start after rebuild [Re: SiAdam]
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hrm, how old is the dizzy? possible bad ignitor?
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#5120833 - 10/22/10 01:26 AM Re: car won't start after rebuild [Re: titty sprinkles]
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ok i have aem ems i'm guessing the distributor is the culprit. There is the ignition coil (checked it and it is fine) the ignition control module, and 3 sensors that measure the cam speed ect. dont know where to get a dizzy to try out a buddy had one but its from an obd1 car. What should i check with the ems?
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#5121148 - 10/22/10 08:48 AM Re: car won't start after rebuild [Re: JRSC2001GSR]
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 Originally Posted By: JRSC2001GSR
ok i have aem ems i'm guessing the distributor is the culprit. There is the ignition coil (checked it and it is fine) the ignition control module, and 3 sensors that measure the cam speed ect. dont know where to get a dizzy to try out a buddy had one but its from an obd1 car. What should i check with the ems?


You obviously in no hury as it's mid-october and you posted this in July, lol. W/that said, have a friend send you a dizzy, or find a cheap on in a junk yard if you are leaning towards that.

You could do the same w/your ems. I'd swap in stock injectors, and a stock computer and see if it fires up.

If not you might be able to track it down easier, eliminating some other parts.
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#5334861 - 01/26/11 09:43 PM Re: car won't start after rebuild [Re: SiAdam]
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It could be:
  • Faulty starter.
  • Weak or flat battery.
  • Completely dead battery or faulty battery connections.
  • Faulty ignition coil set, wiring, solenoid or starter motor.
  • Moisture in the ignition system
  • Disconnected or loose wires in the ignition system.

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