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#4619625 - 03/25/10 11:14 PM Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics [Re: Impulsive]
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I mean the sidewall profile, the way it's dependent on the width of the wheel in relation to the width of the tire. It's like mounting a 225 on a 7" wheel versus a 8" wheel. The way the tire looks changes pretty dramatically depending on the wheel width.

That staggered OEM setup, the front tires have a very square sidewall profile while the rear have a bit more of a stretched/rounded sidewall profile. I prefer the look in the rear. If I had one of these G35/G37 sedans, i'd go out and buy a rear pair of wheels to mount up front, and run the car square (same size all around).
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#4619649 - 03/25/10 11:22 PM Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics [Re: Panda Express]
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Gotcha.

There are some nice wide, 19x9.5 Privat Reserves at DTD. I have thought of these.



What is really making me mad is that all the local shops have a few really shitty wheels on display (cheapo brands) and then the big ugly truck ones. I can't see any of the ones I want in person or even find a lot of good pics. It's all pretty much order in.

The Konig Lace seem to be some of the best in pics - but I'm not sure if that much mesh would look good. I like the black contrast though.

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#4621149 - 03/26/10 01:34 PM Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics [Re: Impulsive]
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the konig lace are so hideous ew.
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#4621539 - 03/26/10 03:26 PM Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics [Re: NoQuarters]
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Which of the above do you like?
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#4621600 - 03/26/10 03:42 PM Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics [Re: Impulsive]
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Why don't you get those stockish ones you posted a few posts up?
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#4621793 - 03/26/10 04:52 PM Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics [Re: spotch...]
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The G35 Rays? - They are somewhat tough to find in decent shape and with people willing to ship. The Privat's are on the list.
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#4622112 - 03/26/10 07:17 PM Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics [Re: Impulsive]
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OEM look for the major win imho, but again, grain of salt.
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#4622269 - 03/26/10 08:23 PM Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics [Re: spotch...]
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Spotch would also like you to look at wheels in the 15" size.
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#4622324 - 03/26/10 08:47 PM Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics [Re: Serendipitous]
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I have a lead on the G37 19's (by Enkei) - but they are heavy compared to the Rays Forged - which are lighter than stock 18's.
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#4623246 - 03/27/10 12:58 PM Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics [Re: Serendipitous]
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Spotch would also like you to look at wheels in the 15" size.



Well, they would bring the majority of the rotating mass a lot closer to the center of the wheel....


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#4623685 - 03/27/10 06:30 PM Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics [Re: Impulsive]
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I have a lead on the G37 19's (by Enkei) - but they are heavy compared to the Rays Forged - which are lighter than stock 18's.


In all honesty for a daily driver you wont really notice it that much.
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#4623708 - 03/27/10 06:42 PM Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics [Re: JEFFOS]
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I'm sure I wouldn't notice it at all, but if I'm dropping the money, I'd like to get lighter instead of heavier - but looks might trump weight.
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#4624760 - 03/28/10 03:21 PM Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics [Re: Panda Express]
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 Originally Posted By: Panda Express
If I had one of these G35/G37 sedans, i'd go out and buy a rear pair of wheels to mount up front, and run the car square (same size all around).


....and in the process completely fuck up my handling and alignment settings, yey!
Unless you have an AWD one or are also planning to retune the suspension and redo the alighment with custom settings, this is a shitty idea. Those cars come staggered from the factory for a reason.
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#4625045 - 03/28/10 06:45 PM Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics [Re: cliff st-clair]
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 Originally Posted By: cliff st-clair
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If I had one of these G35/G37 sedans, i'd go out and buy a rear pair of wheels to mount up front, and run the car square (same size all around).


....and in the process completely fuck up my handling and alignment settings, yey!
Unless you have an AWD one or are also planning to retune the suspension and redo the alighment with custom settings, this is a shitty idea. Those cars come staggered from the factory for a reason.
Yea, so that they will understeer horribly when pushed hard to keep n00btastic drivers from hitting solid objects sideways. Pretty much the way all pedestrian cars come tuned from the factory.

lol at "fuck up my... alignment settings". Since when does changing a wheel/tire setup do anything to affect alignment?
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#4625053 - 03/28/10 06:50 PM Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics [Re: Panda Express]
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They aren't huge understeering pigs. But since I have AWD, I can run the same sizes.

This isn't too bad. Though not being lowered, they might look funny.



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#4625057 - 03/28/10 06:51 PM Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics [Re: Impulsive]
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Yeah those look cool too
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#4625129 - 03/28/10 07:33 PM Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics [Re: spotch...]
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I am wondering if I should bid on some black ones on ebay ($300). Cheap, but I'm not so sure they would look that good.

Fuck it, I bid on them. If I win, I'll run some sticky ass rubber on them and see how it works.


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#4628226 - 03/29/10 09:04 PM Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics [Re: Panda Express]
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 Originally Posted By: Panda Express
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If I had one of these G35/G37 sedans, i'd go out and buy a rear pair of wheels to mount up front, and run the car square (same size all around).


....and in the process completely fuck up my handling and alignment settings, yey!
Unless you have an AWD one or are also planning to retune the suspension and redo the alighment with custom settings, this is a shitty idea. Those cars come staggered from the factory for a reason.
Yea, so that they will understeer horribly when pushed hard to keep n00btastic drivers from hitting solid objects sideways. Pretty much the way all pedestrian cars come tuned from the factory.

lol at "fuck up my... alignment settings". Since when does changing a wheel/tire setup do anything to affect alignment?


Actually those are some of the best handling four door cars on the market. Just shows what you know.

Question: What kind of person would run same sizes front and back on a car that was designed to run a staggered setup?

Not a very bright one would be the right answer.

I mean, you can't just be that obsessed with looks, no? You would actually make the car drive worse so you can look better? lol ricer.

Anyway, if you honestly can't comprehend why doing what you said might affect handling and alignment, then I'm just gonna have to leave it alone and say WOOOOOOW!!!
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#4628331 - 03/29/10 09:58 PM Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics [Re: cliff st-clair]
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lots of people run cars with equal sizes...on cars taht came staggered from the factory.

m3's come to mind etc.
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#4628366 - 03/29/10 10:10 PM Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics [Re: cliff st-clair]
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 Originally Posted By: cliff st-clair
 Originally Posted By: Panda Express
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If I had one of these G35/G37 sedans, i'd go out and buy a rear pair of wheels to mount up front, and run the car square (same size all around).


....and in the process completely fuck up my handling and alignment settings, yey!
Unless you have an AWD one or are also planning to retune the suspension and redo the alighment with custom settings, this is a shitty idea. Those cars come staggered from the factory for a reason.
Yea, so that they will understeer horribly when pushed hard to keep n00btastic drivers from hitting solid objects sideways. Pretty much the way all pedestrian cars come tuned from the factory.

lol at "fuck up my... alignment settings". Since when does changing a wheel/tire setup do anything to affect alignment?


Actually those are some of the best handling four door cars on the market. Just shows what you know.

Question: What kind of person would run same sizes front and back on a car that was designed to run a staggered setup?

Not a very bright one would be the right answer.

I mean, you can't just be that obsessed with looks, no? You would actually make the car drive worse so you can look better? lol ricer.

Anyway, if you honestly can't comprehend why doing what you said might affect handling and alignment, then I'm just gonna have to leave it alone and say WOOOOOOW!!!
Bolting on a new set of wheels/tires on a car will never affect the alignment. Ever. Stop trying to disagree on that point because you're flat out wrong. It is mechanically impossible.

As for stagger/no stagger. I don't care if it's the best handling whatever in the market, segment, whatever, the fact of the matter is that the entire auto industry engineers cars with a significant amount of understeer built in. The only cars that are an exception are the most high-end sport/race focused cars. A 4-door Infiniti does not fall into that category whatsoever.

Understeer keeps motorists safe when they approach the limit of the car's grip and/or driving ability. Understeer keeps lawyers happy. Understeer can be reduced by running less/no stagger.

Besides, if the car is designed to run a stagger, then why would the AWD version not come w/ a stagger? Perhaps because the AWD introduces a safety net that isn't on the RWD version, thus the manufacture uses the stagger to help dumb down the handling to an acceptable level of safety/understeer (lack of oversteer).
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#4628487 - 03/29/10 11:39 PM Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics [Re: cliff st-clair]
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 Originally Posted By: cliff st-clair
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If I had one of these G35/G37 sedans, i'd go out and buy a rear pair of wheels to mount up front, and run the car square (same size all around).


....and in the process completely fuck up my handling and alignment settings, yey!
Unless you have an AWD one or are also planning to retune the suspension and redo the alighment with custom settings, this is a shitty idea. Those cars come staggered from the factory for a reason.
Yea, so that they will understeer horribly when pushed hard to keep n00btastic drivers from hitting solid objects sideways. Pretty much the way all pedestrian cars come tuned from the factory.

lol at "fuck up my... alignment settings". Since when does changing a wheel/tire setup do anything to affect alignment?


Actually those are some of the best handling four door cars on the market. Just shows what you know.

Question: What kind of person would run same sizes front and back on a car that was designed to run a staggered setup?

Not a very bright one would be the right answer.

I mean, you can't just be that obsessed with looks, no? You would actually make the car drive worse so you can look better? lol ricer.

Anyway, if you honestly can't comprehend why doing what you said might affect handling and alignment, then I'm just gonna have to leave it alone and say WOOOOOOW!!!

Sorry dood, you fail Basic Handling 101. "If the factory did it that way, it must be teh best!" Since when has this EVER been true about anything? Even the best modern production sedans are indeed understeer biased for liablity reasons. Wider front tires (assuming they clear) will undoubtedly make the handling more neutral. Going from staggered to non-staggered is very common on front engine RWD autocross and track cars. And it won't affect it the alignment, although it will make it more alignment sensitive i.e. tires will wear more unevenly if it's off.
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#4631813 - 03/31/10 01:57 AM Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics [Re: orangegrey]
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I'm not saying factory is best, I'm just saying if the cars were meant to run a stagger then why move away from that if your only purpose is looks?

One thing I had left off previously was the electronic nannies which I know are not very popular here. But I've heard stories of quite a few guys with 350zs who run a no stagger and it throws their Stability control off and the cars drive funny, with the system applying brakes to the rear wheels for no apparent reason. I'm sure the much less sporting G35 sedan would react even worse if you ran a no-stagger on it.

If you really think about it, by running a no-stagger on a car that was meant to be staggered you are affecting the way the wheels track and because you are adding more grip to the front you will have created an unpredictably oversteering POS car. Again, that is if you didn't modify anything else.
So yeah, I believe that changing the oem wheel track WILL mess up the alignment.

Ok, I guess the Mario Andrettis of this forum would want a car that feels twitchy and oversteering, but the rest of us live in the real world where we need the car to be safe and predictable unless we are ready for it, no? And the standard G35 has never been referred to as an understeering pig; it has neutral handling from the factory.

And please, please, please, understeer is not always a bad thing unless you are a naturally born racer. I'd bet most of us here aren't. I'm sure most of us wouldn't know who to call if the rear end started coming around on them while taking a turn. My feeling is that "holy shit" would be the only thing coming out of their mouth before they crash into that wall or car or whatever...
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#4634335 - 03/31/10 08:15 PM Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics [Re: cliff st-clair]
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what happened to you?

and for the most part I think everyone in here could handle a rwd car just fine.
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#4659636 - 04/09/10 11:52 PM Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics [Re: Euphoricuck]
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I went black G35C Rays wheels and ordered 255-40-19 Hancook V12's.
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#4659957 - 04/10/10 08:58 AM Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics [Re: Slow_V6]
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Sounds great to me.
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#4660201 - 04/10/10 01:06 PM Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics [Re: spotch...]
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I'll weigh the setup for you too. Stockers with 245 Conti DWS's are 47 pounds a piece. I know the Rays are about 21 pounds, so I should be able to skip on extra mass.
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#4660431 - 04/10/10 03:50 PM Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics [Re: Impulsive]
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good choice. just threw the summers on the sti. stock rubber for now(re070's) which arent to bad. with gold bbs factory rims. very nice.

almost ended up with some spec c wheels but opted for the stockers.
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#4660496 - 04/10/10 04:23 PM Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics [Re: Impulsive]
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I'll weigh the setup for you too. Stockers with 245 Conti DWS's are 47 pounds a piece. I know the Rays are about 21 pounds, so I should be able to skip on extra mass.


Ha! Awesome. Feel free to take it to your local post office or UPS store, they'll weigh it for you right down to the # of grams or fractions of an ounce.

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#4660655 - 04/10/10 06:42 PM Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics [Re: spotch...]
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Woot. I'm sure they'll look good. \:\)

BTW, fronts (19x8) are 19 lbs, rears (19x8.5) are 21 lbs.
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#4664362 - 04/12/10 03:42 PM Re: 18 vs 19" Wheels - Long, lots of pics [Re: Impulsive]
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I went black G35C Rays wheels and ordered 255-40-19 Hancook V12's.


WIN! Can't wait to see it. I was going to say you shouldn't even consider polished lip wheels unless you went 19's. The style you went with will look good.
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