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#4555107 - 03/01/10 01:54 PM Flashed the WRX to stage 1 today...
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Wow, this is definitely how the car should have been from the factory.

Bit the bullet and bought the Cobb AP from Perrin with their stage 1 map. Their service was outstanding, and they threw in a panel filter and shorty antenna with it.

The first drastic change was the smoothness. I backed out of my parking spot and usually there would be a touch of bucking while doing so, not any longer. The DBW is much more linear now instead of an on off switch, especially in certain RPM ranges. I let her get up to full temp and gave it some gas in 2nd and even though there is still some learning to be done, the difference was extremely noticeable as it pulled hard and fast, and I let off at around 5700 rpm so there was a tad more to go.

Lower revs are smooth as silk, and the low end torque seems to be much improved over stock as well. Overall, they say to let it fully learn for 50 - 100 miles, but so far I am beyond stoked with this huge upgrade in drivability and power.
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#4555140 - 03/01/10 02:04 PM Re: Flashed the WRX to stage 1 today... [Re: ForeheadSMASH]
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Nice. It's always fun to have a new power mod.
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#4555235 - 03/01/10 02:25 PM Re: Flashed the WRX to stage 1 today... [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: PatB18C
Did you baseline it so we know your gains or do you just hate me?


I just hate you!

Hahha, no... no baseline. Perrin made 54 lb-ft and 38 whp over stock (269 awhp / 293 lb ft) using this map on their 09 stock test car, that is all I have to go off of.

I know more power can be had with a protune, but I am cool with this route so far.
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#4555329 - 03/01/10 02:49 PM Re: Flashed the WRX to stage 1 today... [Re: ]
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She said it was more like a 5. hahahahah
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#4555409 - 03/01/10 03:08 PM Re: Flashed the WRX to stage 1 today... [Re: ForeheadSMASH]
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It's a great feeling - when I had my STi I did the Stage I flash, and a couple months later I got a Helix catted downpipe, and had a pro-tune. It was night and day. I went from 243whp to 290whp, and I forgot the original torque figure, but it was 322 when done.
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#4555527 - 03/01/10 03:32 PM Re: Flashed the WRX to stage 1 today... [Re: ForeheadSMASH]
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Nice! I think I'm going to have Bren do mine next month when I put the alloys back on.
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#4555738 - 03/01/10 04:27 PM Re: Flashed the WRX to stage 1 today... [Re: Stock94si]
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Yeah Bren is a really good guy... he offered to help me by tuning via opensource, I had ordered the Tactrix, the order fell through due to our address change and I eventually cancelled it altogether and held off. I ended up getting the AP because it was discounted, and the logging and real time data features, etc.
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#4557749 - 03/02/10 10:09 AM Re: Flashed the WRX to stage 1 today... [Re: ForeheadSMASH]
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 Originally Posted By: JCL_96Stang_GT
Yeah Bren is a really good guy... he offered to help me by tuning via opensource, I had ordered the Tactrix, the order fell through due to our address change and I eventually cancelled it altogether and held off. I ended up getting the AP because it was discounted, and the logging and real time data features, etc.


Great review, Now flash a real map on it \:\)

09's kick ass, they are really just held back by their dinky intercooler otherwise that turbo is good for 315whp+
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#4561882 - 03/03/10 01:46 PM Re: Flashed the WRX to stage 1 today... [Re: bren si]
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I wouldnt have wasted the money on an AP personally, but power is power ;\)
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#4563376 - 03/03/10 10:30 PM Re: Flashed the WRX to stage 1 today... [Re: Slow_V6]
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 Originally Posted By: Slow_V6
I wouldnt have wasted the money on an AP personally, but power is power ;\)
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#4563455 - 03/03/10 10:57 PM Re: Flashed the WRX to stage 1 today... [Re: Chris92Sc2]
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dont do a bren tune. hes a douche
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#4567842 - 03/05/10 09:22 AM Re: Flashed the WRX to stage 1 today... [Re: Euphoricuck]
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lol the same douche that tuned both your brothers sti and yours \:\)
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#4569537 - 03/05/10 04:25 PM Re: Flashed the WRX to stage 1 today... [Re: ]
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Is that a penis joke?
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#4569915 - 03/05/10 07:34 PM Re: Flashed the WRX to stage 1 today... [Re: ForeheadSMASH]
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 Originally Posted By: JCL_96Stang_GT
Is that a penis joke?




Only if he's talking millimeters.



ZING!
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#4574307 - 03/08/10 09:36 AM Re: Flashed the WRX to stage 1 today... [Re: NOT spotch...]
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 Originally Posted By: spotch
 Originally Posted By: JCL_96Stang_GT
Is that a penis joke?




Only if he's talking millimeters.



ZING!


ZIIIING! hahahahahah

So this was fun... dropped the wife off to get her hair done and then drove to Guitar Center. On the way is a fun twisty road which dumps you off onto the main drag where the store is. Ahead of me I see two motorcyclists, one on a CBR 600RR and the other on an R6. They were traveling the road very quickly and I kept my pace behind them. Up ahead, where the twisty road ends, there are two right turn lanes into a nice 90 degree sweeping uphill bend that eventually attaches to the main road.

The light turns green, and the guys are in the right lane, me in the left both turning.

I floor it and take the turn at full steam and the dudes hear my winter tires squeel and I hear them grab the throttle. However, I am in the meat of my powerband. Grabbing the throttle in the gear they were in left them too low in their powerband to catch up, so I hear them drop it into a next lower gear but it was too late. (Yes I know they would have destroyed me, but they underestimated me for sure.) They couldn't catch up by the time we hit the light, with me about 2 cars ahead. There were cars in the other lanes so they hung behind me and just kept revving back there repeatedly.

I laughed because I know it was out of frustration.
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#4576721 - 03/08/10 11:06 PM Re: Flashed the WRX to stage 1 today... [Re: ForeheadSMASH]
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Doesn't take much to catch an inexperienced/cocky rider off guard. I know I did it alot in my Suby.
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#4576733 - 03/08/10 11:09 PM Re: Flashed the WRX to stage 1 today... [Re: Chris92Sc2]
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shit doing that in the sti would be all kinds of tail happy goodness.
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#4577437 - 03/09/10 09:30 AM Re: Flashed the WRX to stage 1 today... [Re: Chris92Sc2]
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 Originally Posted By: Chris92Sc2
Doesn't take much to catch an inexperienced/cocky rider off guard. I know I did it alot in my Suby.


It was a lot of fun for sure... and you are right, they were rusty. Last week into the weekend was nice here in Denver, so the riders are out in full force to take advantage of it, so rusty for sure. They had matching leathers and helmets to their bikes though, so that was cute.
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#4578927 - 03/09/10 04:16 PM Re: Flashed the WRX to stage 1 today... [Re: ForeheadSMASH]
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an 09/10 wrx is probably my next car soon. This sounds like a good bang for the buck mod for sure. Did you do other mods with this?
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#4578981 - 03/09/10 04:34 PM Re: Flashed the WRX to stage 1 today... [Re: ErikB]
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The only other mods I have are a 3" axle-back custom exhaust (to mate up with 3" DP and cat-back section in July, then stage 2 flash) and the Perrin panel filter drop-in. However, neither of those do much, but the Stage 1 Perrin map accounts for the slight increase in air with the panel filter and Cobb advises against use of any drop in filter.

The car is totally different now, and yes, having a custom tune will always extract more power, but I am super happy with this direction so far.

I absolutely love this car, more than any other I have owned (11 so far) Now with the reflash, she is so smooth, fun in the lower revs and very comfortable when I want it to be.
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#4579379 - 03/09/10 07:12 PM Re: Flashed the WRX to stage 1 today... [Re: ForeheadSMASH]
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From what I've read, the cat back is mostly a noise maker until you get to higher HP levels. I thhink the most mine will ever get is a dp and pro tune.. should be good for ~275 whp and a couple MPG.
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#4580476 - 03/10/10 08:19 AM Re: Flashed the WRX to stage 1 today... [Re: Stock94si]
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The feeling you are describing now is the difference most people say is between a custom tune and OTS tune \:\)

Most of the Cobb/Perrin/XPT 08-2009's that I see come in have a decent amount of negative ignition correction even on 93oct. That's why I am a proponent in this case.

Since these cars aren't SD or torque targeted based like a more sophisticated BMW or Mercedes ECU/DME -they really do each require a personal "touch" with tuning the fuel and maf scaling to run well. That's why Cobb doesn't recommend a filter as it complicates that further.

Also - 94si is right, the main power robber is the DP, and the horrendous stock tune.

Edited by bren si (03/10/10 08:22 AM)
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#4580699 - 03/10/10 09:36 AM Re: Flashed the WRX to stage 1 today... [Re: Stock94si]
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Yeah, the exhaust portion is zero HP, I just had them fab it up in 3" in prep for the DP eventually.

Bren... you only do opensource tuning right? Nothing for the AP?
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#4581004 - 03/10/10 11:26 AM Re: Flashed the WRX to stage 1 today... [Re: ForeheadSMASH]
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catback exhaust is good for 10-12whp at the point of stage 2, and a bit of spool. Not so much on a stage 1 map or a stock car, I'd slash those gains in half.


AP I can do it person, not over the web due to their format. It's kind of a useless platform for the tuning I do (OS has more options/tables/features)
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#4581052 - 03/10/10 11:48 AM Re: Flashed the WRX to stage 1 today... [Re: bren si]
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should have just went opensource, but congrats on the newfound love!

You can always sell the accessport for little to no loss fyi
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#4581137 - 03/10/10 12:18 PM Re: Flashed the WRX to stage 1 today... [Re: GB]
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Yeah, I haven't ruled out doing a pro tune for stage 2 and selling the AP, as their resale value is top notch, so we will see what happens in summer.
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#4582199 - 03/10/10 05:49 PM Re: Flashed the WRX to stage 1 today... [Re: ForeheadSMASH]
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Yeah, I haven't ruled out doing a pro tune for stage 2 and selling the AP, as their resale value is top notch, so we will see what happens in summer.


You can get protuned on either medium, but most suby tuners prefer OS.
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#4639610 - 04/02/10 03:40 PM Re: Flashed the WRX to stage 1 today... [Re: GB]
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I drove down to meet Bren after work for a stage 1 flash on my '09 WRX. He did a great job with the car. It feels much quicker and overall 'more healthy.'
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#4639623 - 04/02/10 03:43 PM Re: Flashed the WRX to stage 1 today... [Re: Stock94si]
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liar. he tried to buttsex you.
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#4640434 - 04/02/10 10:59 PM Re: Flashed the WRX to stage 1 today... [Re: Euphoricuck]
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Id be lying if I told you he didn't put his wide-band in my tail pipe
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#4648830 - 04/06/10 03:07 PM Re: Flashed the WRX to stage 1 today... [Re: ForeheadSMASH]
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A few new pics with the tint (18%)

And no, I will never do the red overlays on the tails.
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#4648889 - 04/06/10 03:19 PM Re: Flashed the WRX to stage 1 today... [Re: ForeheadSMASH]
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 Originally Posted By: JCL_96Stang_GT

And no, I will never do the red overlays on the tails.



Shame. Your car would look so much better, especially with that nice tint job. Ah well...
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#4649745 - 04/06/10 07:53 PM Re: Flashed the WRX to stage 1 today... [Re: ForeheadSMASH]
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Lookin good. When are the Dunlops going back on?
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#4650929 - 04/07/10 09:45 AM Re: Flashed the WRX to stage 1 today... [Re: Stock94si]
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Thanks man! well, it's snowing today, hahah love that CO weather. Probably near the end of this month should be good. I can't wait though, the winter's squeals of death are getting old.
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#4650950 - 04/07/10 09:52 AM Re: Flashed the WRX to stage 1 today... [Re: ForeheadSMASH]
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The car is hot. Taillight overlays would be hotter BREEDER.
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