#3886648 - 07/09/09 09:14 AM
Re: 240sx...overrated?
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Z24 lol
and Fuck you for the new name lol
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Overrated. If it was such a good seller they wouldve kept it our brought it back like the 350/370Z
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#3886717 - 07/09/09 09:35 AM
Re: 240sx...overrated?
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As it Was sold in the US, it was a dilluted version of a real performer. Had it come with the "essarrtwenny", and without that gay HICAS crap, I think it would have had MUCH more staying power.
more power, less crap to break!
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#3886748 - 07/09/09 09:47 AM
Re: 240sx...overrated?
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Only driven one (S14), and the handling and control feel did not impress. Overrated.
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#3886944 - 07/09/09 10:53 AM
Re: 240sx...overrated?
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overrated now, maybe
back when they were being sold you were hard pressed to get anyone to buy them because of the 'truck' motor and all they did was 'look' fast
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#3887043 - 07/09/09 11:28 AM
Re: 240sx...overrated?
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I liked the S13 that I drove despite the weird steering feel. The car wasn't terribly underpowered for its time. Didn't they run mid-high 15s?
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#3887122 - 07/09/09 12:03 PM
Re: 240sx...overrated?
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UglyValiant
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The car wasn't terribly underpowered for its time. Didn't they run mid-high 15s? I don't think so...despite the 140hp (155 later), and relatively light weight (~2800-2900?), they were 0-60 mid-8's w/ a manual trans, mid, high 16's in the 1/4. I remember seeing an auto one struggling to get low 17's at the track.
I recall that before the modding/DET bug took hold, these things were a joke against my then stock Shelby-Z, which stock was 15.7 or so....
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#3887173 - 07/09/09 12:21 PM
Re: 240sx...overrated?
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As it Was sold in the US, it was a dilluted version of a real performer. Had it come with the "essarrtwenny", and without that gay HICAS crap, I think it would have had MUCH more staying power.
more power, less crap to break! i actually agree with you for once.
the North American version was crap, though with some tweaks it could come alive...shit you could say that for a lot of cars we get.
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#3887608 - 07/09/09 02:30 PM
Re: 240sx...overrated?
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max
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relatively light weight (~2800-2900?)
The S13's were around high 2500s for an 89, up around 2700 for a 93, and the S14's were around 2800lbs. The early 140hp cars and late (S14) 155hp cars were in the 16s, but the KA24DE powered S13's were definitely quicker.
They're cheap, can take a fair number of engines (some trivially easy like the SR20, some sorta easy like the RB or LSx), RWD, have a pretty sizable aftermarket, can swallow a fairly large amount of rubber all things considered, and aren't hugely hampered due to shitty suspension setups.
What more could you ask for from a project car?
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#3887939 - 07/09/09 04:13 PM
Re: 240sx...overrated?
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What more could you ask for from a project car?
To not have the doriffffto faggots drive the price of them sky high?
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#3888282 - 07/09/09 05:52 PM
Re: 240sx...overrated?
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To not have the doriffffto faggots drive the price of them sky high wreck them all?
FTFY
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#3888396 - 07/09/09 06:34 PM
Re: 240sx...overrated?
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What more could you ask for from a project car? Nothing...but this is why I separate it's mod potential (which is undoubtedly great, and is for which I have great appreciation) from what it was in stock form.
I don't think that there has been many cars in which it's fortunes were improved so much by the passage of time. I recall talking to a casual buddy about various cars back in the mid 90's, and we came along the 240...it was like "Man, now there's a car with the looks, but what else has it got going for it? RWD? It'd be nice if it had an engine that would turn those tires over!" (<word for word, no lie, lol).
I do recall seeing my first DET swap (which, fwiw, I beat at the strip) thinking to myself, "now THAT what it should have been..."
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#3889088 - 07/09/09 10:28 PM
Re: 240sx...overrated?
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Not as overrated as the AE-86 Corolla.
Seriously underrated (and rare) is the 1987 S12 200SX V6.
cheers, scott
I think I may have test drove one of those at a used car dealership a million years ago.
My mom test drove a 240sx way back when if it says anything. lol
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#3889106 - 07/09/09 10:35 PM
Re: 240sx...overrated?
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it's a great chassis with endless potential and an aftermarket that rivals honda, so in that regard i wouldn't say so.
I was with you up until here. Sure the chassis has potential, but stock it's floppy like an e30 convertible. Cage one, do an sr swap, stick a GT2871R on, control arms, kaaz, and some 245 tires and the car starts becoming worthwhile. Luckily once you have the chassis, the aftermarket parts are cheap and setup has been mapped out it's brainless. What I'd do for a set of $200 adjustable tubular a arms or knuckles for my car.
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#3889185 - 07/09/09 11:03 PM
Re: 240sx...overrated?
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Three years ago I bought a mint S13 240SX. The car was not only slow in a straight line (i donīt care about that as much), but it was also a dog at the track. Slow steering, numb feedback, 1-wheel spinning at every slow corner exit (open diff), what a crap. A stock Miata is a better ride. Sold it.
A couple of weeks ago bought a JDM 180SX. Basically an S13 with a factory SR20DET. 2650 lbs, RWD, 210hp, stock LSD = nice combo even by todayīs standards. Dirt cheap too (3k), and the car is mint. The stock turbo is junk and I still donīt care about the stock suspension, but with very minimal mods I think this car has potential.
Hey Scootergeek, donīt mess with AE86īs, Iīm kicking old school Alfas, BMWs and Fiats asses like thereīs no tomorrow in my jdm POS In fact last week I just bought a second one.
Overrated? letīs talk about old school MINIīs. And I own one. Piece of crap.
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#3889286 - 07/09/09 11:37 PM
Re: 240sx...overrated?
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I was with you up until here. Sure the chassis has potential, but stock it's floppy like an e30 convertible. Cage one, do an sr swap, stick a GT2871R on, control arms, kaaz, and some 245 tires and the car starts becoming worthwhile. Luckily once you have the chassis, the aftermarket parts are cheap and setup has been mapped out it's brainless. What I'd do for a set of $200 adjustable tubular a arms or knuckles for my car.
and i was with you until you mentioned upgrading to that wimpy little motor, wimpy little turbo and wimpy little tire
it's a late 80's design, obviously not a spaceframe/tube chassis... floppy is expected and somewhat easy to fix. finding a car that's light, has a nice suspension setup, plenty of room in the engine bay and wheel wells is harder.
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#3889293 - 07/09/09 11:42 PM
Re: 240sx...overrated?
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Overrated? letīs talk about old school MINIīs. And I own one. Piece of crap.
Now them's fighting words. Simplicity can be brilliance too. Konis, Hi-Los, Yoko A006s, 1.5:1 rockers on an otherwise stock 1275 motor, mildly ported stock SU's, an LCB header, Mini Metro 4 pots up front with Minifins in the rear, a 10:1 steering rack with a nice small wheel and finally a decent driver's seat is a recipe to convert a really fun car into a fantastically fun car. And that's not a lot of mods really.
cheers, scott
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#3889326 - 07/10/09 12:03 AM
Re: 240sx...overrated?
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Not as overrated as the AE-86 Corolla.
Seriously underrated (and rare) is the 1987 S12 200SX V6.
cheers, scott They're overrated now because of the Initial D/drifting tax but as a pure drivers car, it's actually a great car. RWD, hard top, good balance, free revving motor, lightweight, reliable...that list narrows down a LOT of cars. The AE86 was a great car for when it cost $3000 for a perfect example...but nowadays you find rust buckets for that price.
I wouldn't say 240SX's are overrated. It was always a good car for tuning (has many aspects of the AE86 but more modern and better chassis). The biggest difference now is good parts availability. 5-7 years ago it wasn't easy trying to find shops that did SR20DET swaps...and a lot of the high quality JDM parts were not easy to get ahold of. Now parts are plentiful, engine swaps can be done in 1/2 a day, and a lot of the parts that were once impossible to get from Japan are now in stock on US shelves. Plus now that everyone has been messing around with them for a bit, there is a lot more knowledge about what works/doesn't and actual tuning data (like suspension settings for example).
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#3889376 - 07/10/09 12:25 AM
Re: 240sx...overrated?
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I was with you up until here. Sure the chassis has potential, but stock it's floppy like an e30 convertible. Cage one, do an sr swap, stick a GT2871R on, control arms, kaaz, and some 245 tires and the car starts becoming worthwhile. Luckily once you have the chassis, the aftermarket parts are cheap and setup has been mapped out it's brainless. What I'd do for a set of $200 adjustable tubular a arms or knuckles for my car. and i was with you until you mentioned upgrading to that wimpy little motor, wimpy little turbo and wimpy little tire it's a late 80's design, obviously not a spaceframe/tube chassis... floppy is expected and somewhat easy to fix. finding a car that's light, has a nice suspension setup, plenty of room in the engine bay and wheel wells is harder.
Wimpy?
I said worthwhile, sure in imagination land you could stick a LSx or fucking turbo merlin in it, but with a stock sr and that turbo you can put down over 300 at the wheels. Gutted and caged weighing in around 2400 at 300whp is worthwhile. How much have you fit under the stock fenders? 255 was the limit in the front for me, that's with widebody fenders, and extensive cutting/welding in the front inside and the fucking death ridge above.
You can make excuses, 80's whatever, but that chassis stock will bend around floor jacks even at the factory approved spots. Fuck I've seen k-cars with less floppy chassis. "Easy to fix" really means at least poly mounts, and caging, if not also seam welding.
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#3889809 - 07/10/09 08:49 AM
Re: 240sx...overrated?
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Seriously underrated (and rare) is the 1987 S12 200SX V6. I have had wood for these forever. Just never pulled the trigger on one, although I have driven a couple. Also drove an '84 turbo 200SX. Really? Man I had an 87 200SX in high school and that thing was a POS. I remember the suspension was so freaking terrible that the ass end would slap the ground on hard shifts. And that was after buying replacement springs and new shocks thinking that it would help fix it. It eventually committed suppuku on the freeway by ejecting a rod and lighting itself on fire.
As for 240's, IMO everything that rides the touge wave is overrated. They are nice cars in Japan since they have a decent motor and are cheap and plentiful, but we have a different selection of cars over here and the Initial D crowd couldn't comprehend that we have a different assortment of old cars with potential.
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#3890179 - 07/10/09 10:55 AM
Re: 240sx...overrated?
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Really? Man I had an 87 200SX in high school and that thing was a POS. I remember the suspension was so freaking terrible that the ass end would slap the ground on hard shifts. And that was after buying replacement springs and new shocks thinking that it would help fix it. It eventually committed suppuku on the freeway by ejecting a rod and lighting itself on fire.
There used to be one here in the midwest that raced SCCA ITS, and it was fast and planted. I always liked watching it race. Made a nice break from the usual BMW 325, Datsun 240Z, Porsche 944, Mazda FC RX-7 domination.
cheers, scott
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#3890393 - 07/10/09 11:39 AM
Re: 240sx...overrated?
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i was just yankin your chain brah... yeah sr is coolio so is a disco potato and 245's but if you must know i have 9.5" rims all around with plenty of clearance... running REALLY stretched 235's just for grins but the current wheel setup will accomodate 295's which are on deck. not stock fenders though. AND I HAVE AN LS2 sooooo......... .........it's pretty cool over here in imagination land bro, i'm hanging out with elliot smith and some fucking DINOSAURS. k gotta go, me and jacko are gonna go fly around in the delorean and bang some demerol
Elliot Smith and Dinosaurs? That's badical.
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#3891027 - 07/10/09 02:35 PM
Re: 240sx...overrated?
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..more like the 2.3 LX
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#3895384 - 07/12/09 06:09 PM
Re: 240sx...overrated?
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I think the biggest thing against them is there isnt anything big about them. They dont excel at particulary anything without a motor swap,forced induction,etc.
For example: Miata:Great handling DSM: Killer drag car,bang/budget track car autocrosser,AWD and turbo/intercooled from the factory. 5.0: V8,rwd,cheap,enormous aftermarket RX7: Rotary,RWD and light,great handling
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#3895664 - 07/12/09 09:27 PM
Re: 240sx...overrated?
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They don't take much room on your garage floor when you're waiting to throw it out or to sell it to some other rotard who popped his motor.
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#3896130 - 07/13/09 04:22 AM
Re: 240sx...overrated?
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I really like the 240's (especially the S14s), but the biggest problem is finding a clean example. If I had been looking years ago that would have been easier, but even a few years ago when I looked into them the drift crowd was already snapping them up and ruining them. I have never personally looked at one that didn't meet at least two of the following:
-150k-200k miles on the chassis and needed a ton of mechanical refreshing all over -shitty ghetto dorifto mods like welded dif, cheap roll-cage, crappy racing seats, awful suspension setup, etc. -horribly ugly body kit scraped up from sitting 1/2" off the road -poorly done engine swap -awful paint
I know it is worse here in CA since the dorifto stuff is pretty popular. The only clean examples I ever found were the rare ones here and there online, usually an automatic with an owner asking for way too much and the added annoyance/risk of doing a deal long-distance. It has only gotten worse since they became even more popular.
To me, that is the sense in which the 240 is overrated. It is almost impossible to find a nice "starting point" example at a reasonable price, which makes it inaccessible to a lot of people.
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#3896663 - 07/13/09 10:39 AM
Re: 240sx...overrated?
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d. It is almost impossible to find a nice "starting point" example at a reasonable price
that's my whole view of overrated in general. You can make anything cool, but why pay through the nose in the process.
cheers, scott
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#8978813 - 03/20/17 09:57 PM
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#9122634 - 09/03/17 09:46 PM
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#9173944 - 10/31/17 03:24 AM
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