#3712652 - 05/07/09 07:58 AM
Re: Import Specialist EK track car build thread....
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c2k
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ya, except this isnt a stupid srt.
stock honda cams are best....infact itrs are best with some cam gears.
there are a lot of hondas running turbo kits. so that s why it wouldnt surprise me if they were running a turbo w/ their build.
Im not gonna argue with you on which cams are the best for the hondas, bc that aint my area of expertise.
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#3712703 - 05/07/09 08:30 AM
Re: Import Specialist EK track car build thread....
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More from my cage upgrade:
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#3712797 - 05/07/09 09:01 AM
Re: Import Specialist EK track car build thread....
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The tires force us into open mod so we'll be running against open wheel cars and other crazy contraptions on full race slicks. Will be a challenging class, but since it's open we can do whatever we want to the car without being pushed out of our class for mods. There are two different Time Attack series we're running where the car will probably be more competitive.
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#3714071 - 05/07/09 03:25 PM
Re: Import Specialist EK track car build thread....
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Euphoricuck
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ya, except this isnt a stupid srt.
stock honda cams are best....infact itrs are best with some cam gears. there are a lot of hondas running turbo kits. so that s why it wouldnt surprise me if they were running a turbo w/ their build.
did reading pwn you again? they are doign an n/a build..and MAYBE...MAYYYYYYYYYYYBE running a turbo near the end of the season(though i think it would be silly throwing a turbo on an n/a build).
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#3714258 - 05/07/09 04:02 PM
Re: Import Specialist EK track car build thread....
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A Z06 will still be faster.  yeah but it's those srt-4 that will embarass your gf / wife! LOL
lol, cool stuff best of luck
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#3716305 - 05/08/09 09:54 AM
Re: Import Specialist EK track car build thread....
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RRRex
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Only in Time Attacks. I'm not worried, still put the hurt on many high dollar cars with our low budget Civic.
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#3723549 - 05/11/09 02:48 PM
Re: Import Specialist EK track car build thread....
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Cage is done and looks awesome. Pictures to come. The strut tower braces have been re-enforced and anchored to the floor and side door bars have also been anchored and re-enforced to the floor. The wing mount has been installed. Incredible piece and a great value at $900 installed. Amazing amount of work craftsmanship on that piece. All work courtesy of Garth Webb at Webber chassis. http://www.webberchassis.com
The car is now in at discovery for 3" fender flares and a paint re-fresh. Interior is going to be a flat dark gunmetal gray.
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#3723658 - 05/11/09 03:28 PM
Re: Import Specialist EK track car build thread....
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Only in Time Attacks. I'm not worried, still put the hurt on many high dollar cars with our low budget Civic. that s awesome. That's exactly how i feel with my neon 
errrr you do "time attacks" with the neon?
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#3725414 - 05/12/09 12:02 AM
Re: Import Specialist EK track car build thread....
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c2k
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Only in Time Attacks. I'm not worried, still put the hurt on many high dollar cars with our low budget Civic. that s awesome. That's exactly how i feel with my neon errrr you do "time attacks" with the neon?
no, just in general putting the hurt on many high dollar cars w/ a low budget car.
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#3729599 - 05/13/09 09:49 AM
Re: Import Specialist EK track car build thread....
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RRRex
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Webber Chassis dropped the car off to Raj at Discovery Auto Collision for paint and body work. They've been incredible to deal with and very professional. Some of their other builds are incredible. They've got a late 60's Camero tube frame road race chassis in there that's just mind boggling. The Compass 360 race cars are in there now getting work done as well.
Side bars are now anchored to the cage.
The Xing is also anchored to the floor and the shock tower brace.
Camera mount was also installed for the filming of race car PrOn.
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#3729752 - 05/13/09 10:45 AM
Re: Import Specialist EK track car build thread....
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The wing mount is also completed. The wing now sits out as far as possible in clean air and applies the down force as far back as possible.
[img]http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c102/RRRex91/miles017.jpg?t=1242227706[/img]
The roof mounted wing will be removed by the way and there will only be the one wing so don't rib me on running a double decker spoiler.
[IMG]http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c102/RRRex91/miles020.jpg?t=1242227813[/IMG]
Here's how the wing is anchored to the trunk. There's steel piping that goes through the trunk and connects to an anchoring system behind the door.
[IMG]http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c102/RRRex91/miles014.jpg?t=1242228299[/IMG]
Here's the anchoring system behind the door. It connects to the chassis on either side of the door. The plates in the center keep the door from carrying the entire load from the wing.
[IMG]http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c102/RRRex91/miles028.jpg?t=1242228190[/IMG]
And.. check this out... the trunk still opens.
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#3731344 - 05/13/09 07:52 PM
Re: Import Specialist EK track car build thread....
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NixCivic
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"Dale Csekey as the founder and original owner or RT Motorsports "
Sorry i have to correct you , A chineese guy buy the name of Chung was the orginal owner and founder of RT - which started off as Racing Technology at leslie & 16 th ave.
Dale bought that from him .
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#3731527 - 05/13/09 09:07 PM
Re: Import Specialist EK track car build thread....
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NixCivic
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Rick was orginaly a customer of Chung's who then started working for him , Dale came into the picture after.
I cant remember if rick and dale became partners or if Rick worked for Dale after Dale bought it .
Any way Rick owns a shop called RT on keele / 407.
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#3732452 - 05/14/09 08:59 AM
Re: Import Specialist EK track car build thread....
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RRRex
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Yeah, sorry. I don't know all the details. I just know he was an owner at one point and now isn't. I'll ask him.
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#3732740 - 05/14/09 10:27 AM
Re: Import Specialist EK track car build thread....
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OK, just spoke with Dale so let me clarify. Chung founded and ran a company called Racing Technologies in the early 90s. Dale and Rick bought all the chattel from Chung - hoists, tools etc. - and started a new company called RT Motorsports in the mid-90s. On paper it was a completely different company and separate from Racing Technologies, but was the same shop equipment and he kept the RT part from the original name.
Rick and Dale were partners until finally Rick took over and bought RT Motorsports completely when Dale moved to Miami. I was corrected though on the shop name in Miami Dale started was not called RT Miami, but also RT Motorsports it just happened to be in Miami.
There ya go - history lesson on RT Motorsports. 
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#3737406 - 05/15/09 05:47 PM
Re: Import Specialist EK track car build thread....
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Engine details are next. This motor was completely assembled and ported by Dale Cseskey at Import Specialist (705 326 1000 - www.importspecialist.ca) and all machine work was done by Gord Bush Performance (www.gordbushperformance.com)
- GSR Head
- Shaved 30 thou
- Ported and polished
- 3 angle radius valve job
- 34.5mm Buddy Club intake valves
- Ferrea exhaust valves
- Skunk2 Pro valve springs
- Skunk2 Stage 2 Pro Cams
- Skunk2 Timimg Gears
- Skunk2 manifold, ported and port matched
- 70mm BDL throttle body
- ARP Head bolts
- CompTech Tri-Y header
- B20 block
- BDL Block guard
- 84.5mm 11.5 to 1 compression flat top pistons
- Golden Eagle oil feed kit
- Eagle Rods
- lighten and balance crank
- 7lb cromoly flywheel, balanced
- ACT xtreme clutch, balanced
- Moroso track oil pan
Everything has been clayed and timed so clearances are good. Also every bearing has been mic'd for clearances as well.
As far as the tranny goes, we have 2. A 4.7 FD JDM ITR with a Quaife LSD and a 4.9 FD JDM SIR also with a Quaife LSD. Transmission rebuilt and installation also done by Dale Cseskey.
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#3745836 - 05/19/09 09:35 AM
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[IMG]http://www.optionjdm.com/option_cart/image.php?object_type=detailed&image_id=1732[/IMG]
Just picked up these Carbon Fiber mirrors from John at OptionJDM - optionjdm.com. Sure, they don't make the car any faster, but man, they look fast.
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#3745850 - 05/19/09 09:44 AM
Re: Import Specialist EK track car build thread....
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wow, this thread stinks of shameless advertising
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#3763554 - 05/25/09 11:16 AM
Re: Import Specialist EK track car build thread....
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RRRex
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So competed in our first solo sprint event on Saturday. The new car was in the body shop with no engine so we ran the sister car we ran last season. Less power than the new motor has but has proven to be very reliable power train and very competitive for us over the last couple season its been run. Has a 1.6L built motor built and tuned by Paul Bhawan at splitfireperformance.com. Puts down close to 180hp and forget the torque off the top of my head but want to say 130ish but don’t recall – anyway, very impressive and for a B16. Feels and sounds incredible. Looks like a junkyard build – but it works.
We took the car out to a lapping day at Mosport Grand Prix track organized by Alan Shek from kensairacing.com on holiday Monday. We wanted to see where we left the car from the previous season. Car felt really well sorted surprisingly and managed to put down a 1:39.83 on freshly shaved Toyo R888s we picked up from Jeff Wenzel at TireCraft. But stayed mostly in the low 1:40s for most of the day. The suspension was tuned without aero since we couldn’t run aero and stay in our class. Tires were 205/50/15s mounted 15X6.5” rims. They’re no where near the grip of the Goodyear Eagle slicks, but less grippy tires helped us sort out a lot of the balance of the car with the wing on it. The was understeering with last year’s setup. Did allow for really late braking, but not an ideal balance for the car.
So we had 4 days to get the car ready for the first event and Paul at Splitfireperformance.com was on the hook to get the car ready. We had a laundry list of work to be done from changing a rear wheel bearing, checking the engine bearings, new engine mount, getting spacers made, fitting the wider wheels and fix 2/3rd and 5th gear on the existing tranny. Honda fluid went it and amazingly all the work was done to an incredible high standard and the car was ready to compete on Saturday.
At the track Saturday morning we were still scrambling. Was the first solo sprint event at the DDT track at Mosport Park. The spacers looked like enough to fit the wheels in the shop but on the track the tires rubbed on the insides and the tires hit the fenders with very little load. Suspension was raised up, camber was pulled back from 3 degrees to about 1.8 degrees in the front – 0 in the rear. More spacers went on in the front to a total of 7/8th of an inch and half inch in the rear. Then under compression the tires were still making contact with the fender. Time for some aggressive on track body modifications. Pliers, pipes and hammers were used to force the fender up and back. We totally destroyed the front fenders and hacked up the rears really nicely too. But on our first timed session the tires were on the car and not rubbing anywhere. Looked ridiculous. Fender flares on order for the backup car.
First warm up lapping session out in the morning set the tires to 18lbs of air cold and heated them up to 26lbs hot right away. Pulled it back after lapping to 20lbs trying to hit the sweet spot of 22lbs hot. Incredible amount of grip but the steering inputs needed an incredible amount of upper body strength. Braking was hairy because the car would track to one side on uneven grip in the braking zones – namely putting the tires up on the concrete paving. Then if you’ve got one hand off the wheel because you’re downshifting, you weren’t sure where the car would be when both hands came back to manhandle the car in the direction you wanted it to go.
Then there was the power loss. The rolling resistance from that much tire on the ground was incredible. A car the otherwise felt pretty manic on full throttle really felt sluggish. Top speeds on the speedo also didn’t seem very impressive at all – but later I remembered the tires were taller so of course the speedo would read slow. It was hard to tell how we were doing in lapping because we kept hitting traffic and without the power to pass on the straights you really had to hope the guy in front sees you in his mirrors and lets you by. Did notice we struggled to keep up with a Super-Charged Cobalt on the straights.
Another obvious thing was the car was understeering something fierce. Even with wider front tires up front we had to go from 10/15 clicks front and 7/15 rear to 5/15 front and max our rear shocks in an attempt to better balance the car. Tire pressures were also a big question mark. Air from each session kept rising and we just kept pulling air out every session. When we’d lower the pressures we’d get more grip, but the sidewalls were taking the abuse. At the end of the day we settled on 24lbs hot to save the sidewalls but our fastest tires were when the tires were closer to 20lbs.
So it’s time to start the event. I was lined up in sixth position on the grid so managed to squeeze into the first run group. Without traffic I really got a chance to see what the car could do. Despite the slow straight away speeds, the corning g’s were just stupid. I mean really stupid. Just getting the car up to the point the front wheels were slipping was a lot harder than I anticipated. Back went all the braking zones, up went the cornering speeds. Then came the under steer. Further back went the braking zones and in came the trail braking. By the end of the session I was pushing the braking to within feet of the apex and the car stayed planted.
Second session out I was moved up to 3rd on the grid. First was a corvette, second a heavily modified Subaru STI, then my hacked up fwd civic 4-banger, then more high hp cars behind me. It was an awesome sight. What a day. There was another Mod car did show up – a carbed V8 tube framed mustang on hoosier slicks. Looked a lot like a stock car style build up and sounded awesome. I finished first in class, MartinG second and the Mustang rounded up third.
Then there was the fatigue. Driving this car was abusive with the insane amounts of grip. The steering was heavier then you can imagine. On my second session the car pulled to the right in a braking zone. Since I was downshifting I had only one hand on the wheel and sure enough, felt like my shoulder was separated from the socket. Kept off the curbing the rest of the session on that painful lesson. Then there was the strength required to keep you neck up straight under cornering Gs and finally you’re panting like a bastard by your second lap out struggling to keep air in your lungs. This car was so painful to drive.
Tires don’t like camber. After the second session we had pulled it back to half a degree front camber. Did get the car oversteering on the 4th session by pumping up the rear tires and (likely) cracking the rear trailing arm. Don’t suggest breaking a trailing arm as a way of balancing a car BTW. The car did oversteer before the inside kink after the straight and a 4-wheels off was called in. But talk about horseshoes - since a timing issue caused a red flag to go up the 4-wheel off was dropped from my run. I actually assumed my slide caused the station to prematurely pull out the red flag. Talk about lucky.
Set the third fastest time of the day behind the Vette and the STI. Overall, I was very impressed with the car’s performance and the grip of those tires. Was the first time out and had a lot of issues to resolve, but it’s all learning we can take to the next car. I’m sure with more time to sort out the car, we’ve got a realistic chance for an FTD at one of the smaller tracks.
On the Sunday event we kept getting black flagged by marshals in warm up because the rear wheel was pushing positive camber. Kept checking the lugs, bearings and bushings and in the pits and it seemed fine. Wasn’t till Martin’s first session did I see for myself what was happening.
Turns out the rear trailing arm cracked under the pressure.
Definitely need to weld in some kind of reinforcements into the new arm that’s on order and use that technology into the new car.
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