#2856721 - 07/26/08 03:57 PM
Discuss: 80's Turbododges
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Moof
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#2856751 - 07/26/08 04:20 PM
Re: Discuss: 80's Turbododges
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CommonGutterTrash
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I had no idea there was a TD new yorker.
and where the hell is the 600/reliant?!
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#2856780 - 07/26/08 04:42 PM
Re: Discuss: 80's Turbododges
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rumor has it that Honda fanboy extraordinare Spotch (Johnicus Vaughnicae) used to be obsessed with them, but these rumors are unconfirmed.
It was also rumored for a time that he was, in fact, covered with a thick layer of dense carpet-like hair, not unlike jungle underbrush fed a potent mixture of Miracle Gro & race horse steroids.
That one turned out to be true.
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#2856791 - 07/26/08 04:46 PM
Re: Discuss: 80's Turbododges
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SyFastfedful
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rumor has it that Honda fanboy extraordinare Spotch (Johnicus Vaughnicae) used to be obsessed with them, but these rumors are unconfirmed. It was also rumored for a time that he was, in fact, covered with a thick layer of dense carpet-like hair, not unlike jungle underbrush fed a potent mixture of Miracle Gro & race horse steroids. That one turned out to be true.
I did hear that his hair had three distinct canopies, and that many undiscovered species live in those canopies.
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#2856847 - 07/26/08 05:31 PM
Re: Discuss: 80's Turbododges
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UglyValiant
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The first car I drove regularly was a 1986 Chrysler LeBaron GTS turbo. 146hp, automatic transmission. I didn't get my license until 1990, but even then, the GTS was still on of the quicker cars in the HS parking lots. Looked pretty cool with the 15" pizza cutter wheels and 205 width tires. Never ran it in the 1/4, but was probably a high 16 second ride. Fastest we ever took it was 127 mph down a back country road.
For it's time, it had a very attractive interior (most at the time were hideous). Also, for digital display dash, it was very readable, day or night.
Lost one tranny on it...but it was a simple rebuilt. Did really well in stop-light drags provided you spooled up the turbo...then it'd smoke off the tires from a stop. Also did great on a roll if you caught first gear. By 92, cars were getting quicker.
This is very similar to my first PERSONAL car, a 1987 Shelby Daytona. TII engine, 175hp, 200 ft-lbs of torque, 5 speed manual.
The car pictured is a "C/S" version...no body work save for the spoiler, no A/C, lightweight everything. While my daytona wasn't too haevy, these were 200+lbs lighter...they were intended for SCCA racing.
First time at the track, went 15.7 @ 91 mph...kept getting faster and faster as I became a better driver...bone-stock best was 15.2 @ 92 mph. The original turbo went (bad bearing) and struck a deal with the dealer...they'd give me 50% off the typical replacement part, and perform all labor free. I found that the MoparPerformance turbo was cheaper and went with it...it had an upgraded A/R of .48 vs stock of .35. Plus, being a newer turbo with lighter impeller, it spooled up much quicker...so bigger turbo, less lag, much quicker.
I also upgraded the ECU that took me from ~12.5psi boost up to 16psi...which wasn't too hard for the larger turbo, keeping life easy on the intercooler. An aftermarket exhaust, upgraded intake, and later ported heads with larger valves dropped my times down to 14.2 @ 99 mph...what I liked about it was it drove great. Put in a killer stereo, good tires, shocks, etc and it was a cruiser...and got 30-32mpg on the hwy.
fwiw, the 84-86 still rank as some of the best looking cars ever made...especially for a FWD with it's distorted proportions. AND the 92-94 interiors (shared with the lebaron coupe/convertible are also among the cleanest nicest interior ever as well.
Ah, the 89 CSX...got one in the driveway, and took it for a spin last night. No mods and it's run a best of 14.8 @ 94 mph...it's a healthy bit lighter than the daytona was.
It's FINALLY getting restored this winter, since the HS I work at is looking for more projects to work on, and I've got a few extra bucks (along with my dad) to spend on getting it right.
at the time, it was a hard car to beat...it was very hyped in the MT/RT/etc mags for elevating the fwd performance scene. Did VERY respectable against the competition in SCCA. It placed 3rd iirc in a MT "Fastest American Car" contest behind only the Corvette (155) and Camaro (149), but ahead of the TA(144) and well ahead of the Mustang (137 or 142...can't recall) with a speed of 147mph...they reported the speedo read 5mph, lol, roll-over. Of course, there were other cars mixed in there...those are the ones I recall.
It startles me out on the street how much respect it gets...many of the hotter imports are leary of the thing as most all serious racers have encountered a quick shelby (usually omni here as there are no less than 3 11 second rides in the area, lol thank you russ jerome!). I reply it's bone stock, but none believe me.
In seveth grade (1986-1987), the Lebaron coupe was my dream car...I wanted one so bad. I recall a PM test with it against a Mercury Cougar and Monte Carlo...it out performed either in every test. The coupe's and convertibles styling were groundbreaking and created a huge stir...those hidden headlights created an aura of supreme style, luxury, and performance. The GTC's later came along and really helped it's performance image with the Tiv's.
Another great Turbo dodge is the chysler TC
Manual trans got a special 16V head (different than the later 16V heads) so performance was stout. Built off the Lebaron chasis, but with enhanced styling. Wasn't very popular, but I'd see one at the country club I caddied at on occasion.
There's lots more in the memory bank...I'll come back with more in a bit.
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#2856854 - 07/26/08 05:37 PM
Re: Discuss: 80's Turbododges
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#2856990 - 07/26/08 07:29 PM
Re: Discuss: 80's Turbododges
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Z24 lol
and Fuck you for the new name lol
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The conquest/starion had the worst turbo motors evar!
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#2857324 - 07/26/08 10:26 PM
Re: Discuss: 80's Turbododges
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NOT spotch...
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They had the worst EVERYTHINGS evar, but aren't considered turbo dodges. If the right people saw this thread you wouldn't live out the night...
You had to pick the ugliest turbo shadow they made, didn't you...
Thrifty fo lyfe
My favorite one (was *this* close to buying centurion IIs for the neon when I first got it)
Although if I remember correctly you were better off with an 89+ TI shadow ES because the block/tranny were beefier than the shadows that shelby converted to TIIs in 87...
I'd still be perfectly happy with an 87.
I drove a 91? 'high torque' shadow ES once, had filter/intercooler/mbc and some ghetto ass 'tuning' and it still seemed to run more than strongly enough to be a lot of fun. I actually went to buy a turbo shadow, money in hand, but had to walk away because the owner failed to tell me that the entire underside was essentially rust flakes held together with dried saltwater before I actually drove hundreds of miles to check it out. Fucking asshole 
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#2857342 - 07/26/08 10:33 PM
Re: Discuss: 80's Turbododges
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ScottStaypuff
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The conquest/starion had the worst turbo motors evar!
Yes but they are damn sexy.
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#2857430 - 07/26/08 11:09 PM
Re: Discuss: 80's Turbododges
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they didn't have the Worst MOTOR ever... they had the worst HEADS ever.
sakura ran 7's on a starion motor.
...just sayin'
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#2857682 - 07/27/08 01:41 AM
Re: Discuss: 80's Turbododges
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They have one of those just like that brand new at my friend's dealership. It has been kept out of the sun. The only problem is that it needs a new ECU, the factory one was swapped out with a bad one at some point. I'm sure it needs a new fuel tank and fuel pump also. I'd love to buy it. It even comes with the full factory warranty from the mid 1980's since it never has been titled. 
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#2857769 - 07/27/08 04:35 AM
Re: Discuss: 80's Turbododges
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The conquest/starion had the worst turbo motors evar! Yes but they are damn sexy.
Yes, yes they are. I miss mine sometimes.
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#2858017 - 07/27/08 10:44 AM
Re: Discuss: 80's Turbododges
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I had a few. 83 n/a shelby charger, 85 shelby charger, 85 laser xe, 86 laser, and still have a 90 daytona 2.5 t1 sitting out behind the shed. great little cars at the time. It's a shame I don't have time to toy with one anymore.
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#2858556 - 07/27/08 04:24 PM
Re: Discuss: 80's Turbododges
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Moof
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Wow... by making the post I didn't even give my feedback.
It all started with a 1989 Shadow ES.
-2.5, Garrett T3 from an '88 Shelby, A520 manual transmission, Isuzu transport truck Intercooler, 2/5" TBE 14psi.
FUN. AS. HELL. The car was known city-wide, and people always laughed when they saw me in it. Alas, it blew the HG. Never fixed it, still boosted 14psi. the car was very forgiving. The white panels came from a '92 turbo Shadow.
I was moving and needed something bigger.
Cue, the '87 Daytona Pacifica.
-2.2 Garrett T3, Log-style intake, 2.5" TBE, 10psi
The thing had a power driver's seat, digital dash, and a 'dead-hooker' red interior. This also started my whole flippy-light fetish with cars. I purchased the '87 in 2005, it only had 60,000 miles on it. It met it's demise exactly 1 year later when my rad popped a hole on the highway and bled out. R=Traded it straight up for an Ipod.
1990 Lebaron VNT coupe. 1 of 132 made.
(the photo shows where this one is going)
-2.2 VNT turbo, 2.5" TBE, 12psi
Picked it up across the country, sight unseen, and tried to drive it back home. After 6 days of sourcing out a new axle, motor mount, and release bearing (Tranny was an A523 using non equal-lengths halfshafts from an N/A model), I was back on my way. Turbo pressure line ruptured on the highway, killing the engine. Sold it to a scrap yard, bussed home.
So after 2 failed attempts to relive my Shadow days, I gave up on TD's.
....at least I thought I have.
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#2859118 - 07/27/08 09:45 PM
Re: Discuss: 80's Turbododges
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There was a Turbo Dodge in the movie "The Wraith". Charlie Sheen was in it. Bitchin 80's movie. The car he or his spirit drove:
*Edit* I got treed on the fucking Wraith? DAMN IT! At least I OWN the movie, oh shit!
I had a secret love affair with the Spirit R/T (pulled from wiki: The R/T version came with a powerful 2.2 L dohc turbo III with cylinder head designed by Lotus. This engine was rated at 224 hp and 217tq.). I know they had problematic heads, could or would develop cracks in the head. But man, for the day, that car could haul some ass!
Of course you have to love the GLH-S's. Could be made fast as hell, Bolt on 13's pretty much.
Lastly, out of tribute to Gus Mahon. He had one of the, if not first mini-van in the 13's and I believe even faster. I think he had an aclaim that was into the 10's as well. RIP fella. Was riding a motorcycle and taken away from the turbo community back in 2002.
James
Edited by vwkaferman (07/27/08 09:56 PM)
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#2859387 - 07/27/08 11:16 PM
Re: Discuss: 80's Turbododges
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There was a Turbo Dodge in the movie "The Wraith". Charlie Sheen was in it. Bitchin 80's movie. The car he or his spirit drove: *Edit* I got treed on the fucking Wraith? DAMN IT! At least I OWN the movie, oh shit! I probably treed you on owning it to.  $5 bin at Wally World ftw.
Haha, probably so. I wanted it so bad, I ordered it off of Amazon. Oh yes, I'm that much of a dork. The Wraith kicks ass damn it!
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#2859772 - 07/28/08 07:54 AM
Re: Discuss: 80's Turbododges
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My all time fav turbo Dodge video.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=I8R5BwUVYqc
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#2860900 - 07/28/08 02:19 PM
Re: Discuss: 80's Turbododges
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My first Wraith video was on VHS. OMG, that was a long time ago. The M4S was actually build on a Fiero IMSA chassis.
My GLHS still sits in the side yard waiting for me to strip the Shelby goodies out of it and chop the shell up for scrap. I have wasted too much time and money on it. Will be sad to see it go to the scrap yard, but no one seems to want to buy it  I'll eBay the Shelby parts and all the performance stuff I have for it. Then I can get back to restoring my MG and building my "7"
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#2861220 - 07/28/08 03:30 PM
Re: Discuss: 80's Turbododges
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UglyValiant
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The thing about TD's imo, was that for their time, they really did make for great engines. What they lacked against their competitors, was simply low-end torque. Otherwise, they fairly handedly outperformed most of the like-priced econo-compact-midsized cars out and about from about 84-90...
From 91 on things were even, but the turbo motors were beginning to feel like they had overstayed their welcome. While the 2.5 turbo was a good engine, even I was looking forward to v6's to come along and replace them. I can recall, before buying my Daytona, looking at both V6 plymouth (sundance) dusters and shopping them against 2.5 turbo shadows...and liking the instant throttle response of the v6 so much that I was leaning toward it.
The 2.5 turbo was a good bit healthier at the track than the v6's...the closest most direct comparison I saw was a motor trend of the year test for 89 iirc, that had the plymouth acclaim pitted against the spirit ES turbo. The turbo was ~ 1 second faster in both 0-60 and 1/4, 5 speed turbo against auto v6. It's amazing how well those cars were recieved at the time...statements like "best performance sedan" was bandied about the spirit ES. Unlike today, there was NO wink-wink when they said "best american sedan" back then, lol. Motor Trend really loved the 2.5 turbo in the mid-sized sedan, noting it's flexibility over the older 2.2.
The 2.5 TI did have something that the 2.2TI didn't have when paired with an auto, and that was pretty quick spool up/torque production. It WAS a car that you could just plant your foot down and spin the tires...while the 2.2 just went to the stall speed of the T/C, and then pulled away in a sled like manner (slow-then *furiously* adding speed, lol).
As an option in the caravan, it was interesting. It was rated for more torque an power than the 3.0. I knew someone that cross-shopped the two, wanting to get the turbo...instead opting for the 3.0 because it had a decent tow-rating, whereas towing wasn't recommended for the turbo.
When the Spirit R/T and Daytona R/T came out, it felt like the engine might stick around awhile longer...the 224hp engine really breathed new life into the platforms. It felt like FINALLY, something to compete against the top mustang/camaro offerings, even though it still wasn't as fast. While the spirit R/T became a 150+ mph car despite it's poor aerodynamics...I'd have LOVED to see a top speed test on a Daytona. Alas, it's quality problems (Heads) ensured a short life, and ensured that there wouldn't soon be another Turbo dodge for some time; too bad really as I'd have loved to seen a turbo gen 1 neon offered from the factory.
Performance of those (R/T spirit/Daytona) vehicles new were anywhere from low 15's to mid 14's...fairly stout for the time.
Edited by UglyValiant (07/28/08 06:25 PM)
Edit Reason: left out a crucial "NO"
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#2882054 - 08/04/08 12:56 PM
Re: Discuss: 80's Turbododges
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One of my friends in a '91 Spirit R/T... found himself at a lazy curve going 100+mph, dorifffffto gone wrong.
The yelling is understandable if you were in-car :]
http://www.lilevo.com/newvid/spiritspin.mpg
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#8912087 - 01/13/17 09:06 PM
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#8978799 - 03/20/17 09:56 PM
Re: Discuss: 80's Turbododges
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