#261316 - 05/13/06 10:51 PM
06 Si dyno numbers...believe it!!
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sickyute
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so before anyone dispute this i have the numbers to show! The numbers are corrected and are dyno jet numbers.
it was a hot day...like 90F give or take a few...shop is in pompano beach...there were many runs...before i go to my numbers please read..or just skip and go to the numbers...whatever
Anyway...a bunch of us went....3 Si...1 gt mustang...cobalt SS....srt-4
My mods are on my car domain and in my profile.
Other 2 Si...
1 bone stock!
1 SRI/DC e/elminated cat but stock header,hondata img
GT Stang...Stock but has a computer programmer thingy
cobalt SS...smaller supercharger pulleys, computer thingy
srt4....stock with mopar CAI
numbers for the above are:
-GT stang posted a 295-298whp can't remember tq numbers...right on according to the manufacturer of the computer program module
-Cobalt SS posted 234-238whp...again can't remember tq numbers
-SRT-4 posted 228 on his first pull....can't remember tq number...but it was spot on to another srt-4 that dynoed his car at another shop on a different dyno with the same mod...by the way that guy has a stage 3 going on in the coming week.
Now for the Si..
bone stock Si made 3 runs like all the rest....
first run was...
now the second and third run he romoves the air filter and uncovered the box and he posted a 193HP and can't remember tq numbers on the second...on the third ran 199whp!!!! and almost 150tq but his car leaned out a bit. so that made power for him..but everyone over there was absolutley shocked!!!!RSX owner was over there and couldn't believe it...but he said his car dyno's there and the numbers are correct...cuz he also dyno's elsewhere and get the same numbers as he does in that shop. his rsx by the way is very fast...has a huge turbo etc etc...anyway here is the bone stock Si's other chart...show's all 3 runs...
Other Si with test eliminated cat but stock header, dc exhaust, SRI and IMG went like this...
1st pull....198. something whp
2nd pull.....199-200 i think it was
3rd pull.....201. something and 150 tq...
problem with his car though was that he was running very lean and could not get any at the top...i don't have his charts...sorry...
My Si was running real rich...i only have one chart that shows the AFR...but the others were even higher...guy said i'd get a lot more if i could tune the AFR and so on...looking up for me... anyway check my profile. or my cardomain for my mods...I only have the chart for my 1st 2 pulls....i'll explain my third pull after...
1st pull...shows HP and AFR
2nd pull....HP and Tq...
3rd pull.....this pull was even stronger than the second...the curve was higher than the second from the bottom all the way to the top but then as the car began to run richer and richer as it went near the top it went flat and the numbers were right in between the first and the second run...the guy didn't give me my third pull and i didn't notice until i got home...looked like i would have hit 205 but then it went flat right about 198-199. anyway if there is a way to tune for that right now let me know!!
That being said...the Si is more capable than any of us thought and responds well to mods if done right...if done right cuz look how the first 2 ran lean especially the guy who eliminated his cat(real lean) and myself who was running real rich...but we'll get to where it's ideal eventually...i'll post the other charts for all the other cars when i can get them in my hands...
AEM CAI has been said to cause a hesitation/bogging about 4000 rpm give or take by hondata and others...it was noticable in the charts...wish i had them to show...anyway this is caused by a fluctuation in the reading of the MAF sensor....it's not getting proper readings because of turbulent airflow...so the car can run lean or rich in my case it kept running rich...seems so for every other person who has it...
another stock unbroken in Si ran 180whp and a can remember tq numbers.
all Si pulls and cobalt pull were 4th gear pulls....dont sure of the other cars...mustang was an auto!
now for those of you who dispute the numbers...i'd like for u to take me to a dyno of your choice and i will pay to prove to you that the numbers are correct..PM me whatever and we can do it...i feel confident that they are correct cuz a number of people were there and backed up the shop, dyno and numbers....the stock Si's dyno was very strange but after he removed the filter etc, leaned out etc...but i'll go to a dyno of ur choice and pay just to prove all numbers are correct...Si along with other cars.
so now let the wars start....
Edited by sickyute (05/13/06 11:51 PM)
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#261318 - 05/13/06 11:49 PM
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gizmotoy
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Doesn't that seem high for the Cobalt? 198 for a Mustang GT and the Cobalt pulled 238? Am I the only one that sounds a little odd to?
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#261319 - 05/13/06 11:52 PM
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sickyute
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Doesn't that seem high for the Cobalt? 198 for a Mustang GT and the Cobalt pulled 238? Am I the only one that sounds a little odd to?
no that was a typo error...i just changed it...the cobalt numbers were correct with his smaller puleys and so on....the GT however was 298 maxx...call it 300!!! my bad.
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#261320 - 05/14/06 12:55 AM
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sfree79
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Pretty damn impressive for not a ton of mods. I like what I see.
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#261322 - 05/14/06 11:06 AM
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sickyute
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yeah i posted that...i'm in south florida though.
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#261323 - 05/14/06 11:20 AM
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gizmotoy
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Doesn't that seem high for the Cobalt? 198 for a Mustang GT and the Cobalt pulled 238? Am I the only one that sounds a little odd to?
no that was a typo error...i just changed it...the cobalt numbers were correct with his smaller puleys and so on....the GT however was 298 maxx...call it 300!!! my bad.
That's pretty impressive, even. He coaxed another 30 hp out of that thing with little modification.
I wondered about the Mustang. Those new GTs (and the older GTs too, I suppose) are pretty fast. I was in one the other day and it felt much quicker than my Si.
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#261324 - 05/15/06 10:30 AM
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Got-Si?
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What year GT are we talking about?
I would say the dyno reads high but that is just my opinion. What are the cars running at the track because a print out really doesn't do anything for me....
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#261325 - 05/15/06 11:15 AM
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06redsi
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Its just because its its a dynodynamics dyno, they always read allittle higher than normal. but those are still impressive #'s.
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#261326 - 05/15/06 05:12 PM
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sickyute
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05 or 06 GT... don't know much about the dyno....but the guy said that it was dyno jet + corrected numbers...anyway i don't know...i just posted it up on here so people could make sense of it...cuz all i have is the word of the others at the shop who said that they are credible...people who aren't affiliated to the shop that is.... although it may seem like i absolutely believe the numbers...i don't and so i offered to go on another dyno..but i have a strong feeling that the numbers won't be much different... after driving numeous other honda vtec equipped cars from crx Si to Accord R i know that this is a much more potent car than 197hp that's advertised. anyway...it's up for debate and that's why i posted it.
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#261327 - 05/15/06 08:47 PM
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cliff st-clair
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how does a 190whp car only run low 15s.
Those numbers are just inflated man. The Si on average probably does between 165-170whp. It it made 197 at the wheels it would have been 240 at the crank. last time I checked honda did not put the f20c in the Si.
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#261328 - 05/15/06 09:10 PM
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how does a 190whp car only run low 15s.
Those numbers are just inflated man. The Si on average probably does between 165-170whp. It it made 197 at the wheels it would have been 240 at the crank. last time I checked honda did not put the f20c in the Si.
This post is about as ridiculous as your other recent post on trap speeds. What are you smoking man? Get with the program. The lowest Si dyno I have seen has been at 178 whp. This is bone stock with few miles on it. At gateway int. raceway in STL their trap speed is the speed at which you pass the 1/4 marker, not an average. Maybe your track is the "odd-ball". The driver and the track/atmospheric conditions are the only reasons you see magazine times with higher traps. Primarily the driver.
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#261330 - 05/16/06 12:19 AM
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sickyute
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i'll more than likely dyno again at another dyno this weekend...i'll report back with the results.
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#261331 - 05/16/06 07:06 PM
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cliff st-clair
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how does a 190whp car only run low 15s.
Those numbers are just inflated man. The Si on average probably does between 165-170whp. It it made 197 at the wheels it would have been 240 at the crank. last time I checked honda did not put the f20c in the Si.
This post is about as ridiculous as your other recent post on trap speeds. What are you smoking man? Get with the program. The lowest Si dyno I have seen has been at 178 whp. This is bone stock with few miles on it. At gateway int. raceway in STL their trap speed is the speed at which you pass the 1/4 marker, not an average. Maybe your track is the "odd-ball". The driver and the track/atmospheric conditions are the only reasons you see magazine times with higher traps. Primarily the driver.
Whatever I'm smoking doesn't even compare to the shit that you're on.
Look, A 200-2002 S2000 dynoes about 190whp and weighs about the same as a Civic Si. That car runs low 14s to high 13s and can trap 97-100mph bone stock. Explain to me how the Civic Si actually has 190whp and runs about one second slower and trap more than 5mph slower. I would love to hear that explanation.
And about the trap speeds, I've drag raced on 4 different dragstrips in my life time when I had my 11sec 00' Si. All of them used an average mph for the trap at the end of the 1/4. So I'd say using the average is the norm, wouldn't ya?
And what proof do you have that your aforementioned track uses the actual speed at the 1320 mark?
Let me guess, none.
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#261333 - 05/16/06 10:14 PM
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cliff st-clair
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one reason is RWD vs FWD, not saying it'll make up the whole difference in time, but a car that pushes from the RW will typically run faster times then a car pulling itself by the FW
Obviously, but it still doesn't explain the trap speed disparity. I mean, the S2k was just one example, but you look at other cars that dyno around 200 at the wheels with the same weight, such as a cobalt ss for example, and it's at least mid 14sec @96-98mph bone stock.
Doesn't take a genius to realize that the Si doesn't make anything close to 190whp stock since it has so much trouble to run 14s without any mods. Bottom line is if someone did dyno at 190whp the dyno was inflated. Plain and simple.
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#261337 - 05/17/06 02:28 AM
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Whatever I'm smoking doesn't even compare to the shit that you're on.
Great comback. I agree with what you're saying though. The numbers dont lie. A 2700lbs car with 190whp should not be runnin 15s
For one, the new Si is a 2950 lb car, not 2700. You are thinking of the 99-00 Si.
And for cliff, the 2000 S2k was a 2800 lb car. Thats 150 pounds, plus RWD, plus 10-15 more whp, and better gear ratios, and I can see a .8-1 sec difference.
Oh and comparing the Si to the Cobalt SS is misleading. Yea the cobalt puts down 200ish stock, but it puts out almost 100 more torque. So its got gobs more torque, and a 15ish hp adavantage and can only manage a half second better et?
So you might be right that this dyno reads a touch high (Id guess maybe 5-8 hp), but comparing it to the 2 cars you mentioned, and saying that it should be a 14 second car just because it has 190 hp, is not an apples to apples comparison.
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#261341 - 05/17/06 10:39 AM
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Look, A 2000-2002 S2000 dynoes about 210 whp and weighs about the same as a Civic Si.
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#261342 - 05/17/06 03:37 PM
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There's 2 people who use dynographs to prove a point:
Those who are ricers, and those who believe anything they see.
Dynographs are the LAST thing to use in a determining factor on how a car runs. The numbers vary from dyno to dyno, and the dyno-machine itself can be manipulated to the owners delight.
Track time tells you what your car runs. Typical stock Si's are trapping in the 92-94mph range, which does NOT indicate anywhere near 190-200whp. It indicates, to me, the 170-180whp range like anyone that has common sense has said. A 190-200whp car will trap in the 97-99mph range. See any stock Si's doing that, lately? Hell, seen ANY Si's doing that, lately?
Use the timeslips for RSX-S's for comparison. They have essentially the same power and weight, and they trap the same exact speeds and put down the same exact power! Imagine that!
If dynographs are that neccesary, take the RSX-S average and subtract 6-7hp from it. That's factoring in the power that the K20Z3 loses courtesy of the balance shafts Honda gave in this motor.
Some of you guys absolutely crack me up with your comments. You act as if this car is the king of the planet, and as if there's nothing else like it. Hate to break the bad news to you, but it's an RSX-S with a different body and an LSD (not literally, but figuratively when you compare stats). This car will run the same times as it, respond to modifications the same way as it, and stay right beside it while you're racing.
Time to sit back, look at reality, and get off of your high-horses.
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#261343 - 05/17/06 03:44 PM
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#261344 - 05/17/06 05:01 PM
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06redsi
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There's 2 people who use dynographs to prove a point:
Those who are ricers, and those who believe anything they see.
Dynographs are the LAST thing to use in a determining factor on how a car runs. The numbers vary from dyno to dyno, and the dyno-machine itself can be manipulated to the owners delight.
Track time tells you what your car runs. Typical stock Si's are trapping in the 92-94mph range, which does NOT indicate anywhere near 190-200whp. It indicates, to me, the 170-180whp range like anyone that has common sense has said. A 190-200whp car will trap in the 97-99mph range. See any stock Si's doing that, lately? Hell, seen ANY Si's doing that, lately?
Use the timeslips for RSX-S's for comparison. They have essentially the same power and weight, and they trap the same exact speeds and put down the same exact power! Imagine that!
If dynographs are that neccesary, take the RSX-S average and subtract 6-7hp from it. That's factoring in the power that the K20Z3 loses courtesy of the balance shafts Honda gave in this motor.
Some of you guys absolutely crack me up with your comments. You act as if this car is the king of the planet, and as if there's nothing else like it. Hate to break the bad news to you, but it's an RSX-S with a different body and an LSD (not literally, but figuratively when you compare stats). This car will run the same times as it, respond to modifications the same way as it, and stay right beside it while you're racing.
Time to sit back, look at reality, and get off of your high-horses.
WTF are you talking about? Dyno's are a great tool in deterimine how fast a car will be. yes some dyno's read different, but that breaks down like this Mustangs read the lowest, dynojets are most accurate, and dynodynamics will always read the highest. for instance a stock wrx will put down 145-155 whp on a mustang dyno, about 165-175whp on a dynojet and 190'ish on a dynodynamics. Ive done alot of research and found out that a stock si will indeed put down between 178-188 whp on a dynojet dyno and around 190-200whp on a dynodynamics dyno. Their is no proof that the k20z1 makes more whp than a k20z3, so the crap about the si's having balanced shaft that makes them have 4 less HP is bullshit or mabye its the ballanced crankshaft and RBC manifold that make up for the lost 4hp, because every stock si VS stock rsxs dyno ive seen the si make approx 10 more whp!! the reason they have the type s rated at 201 and the si at 197 is strickly for marketing. The SI is fucking RSXS thats alittle heavier but has LSD and Type R manifold, AAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!
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#261345 - 05/17/06 06:55 PM
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Dynographs are the LAST thing to use in a determining factor on how a car runs.
Last I checked, Dynos are pretty useful for mapping HP and TQ curves.
To your point, it would certainly help to make a direct comparision with an Si/RSX-S/etc on the same dyno under same test conditions. For reference, the RSX-S is 143 lbs lighter than the 06 Si.
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Typical stock Si's are trapping in the 92-94mph range, which does NOT indicate anywhere near 190-200whp. It indicates, to me, the 170-180whp range like anyone that has common sense has said. A 190-200whp car will trap in the 97-99mph range. See any stock Si's doing that, lately? Hell, seen ANY Si's doing that, lately?
Sure I have. Some are trapping upwards 97 and 98 mph. I think it's more of a case of owners still learning how to launch....
http://forums.clubrsx.com/showthread.php?s=52e3d86f8565ec50f97525123f8f7285&t=383857
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#261347 - 05/17/06 07:30 PM
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I know i haven't posted around here much...but i just ordered a FBP 06 si and a friend that works for a local speed shop called me today to say they were dyno-ing a brand new si for a kid today. The shop is RRev Motorsports in Portland, OR and the dyno is a relatively new dynojet that dyno's 750-1000hp supras regularly. The si layed down 174hp max at 7500rpm and 133ft/lb torque max at about 6000rpm and drifted down slightly but was still pretty constant thru vtec to redline.
So I don't believe it! Sorry Mike
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#261348 - 05/17/06 08:26 PM
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cliff st-clair
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Dynographs are the LAST thing to use in a determining factor on how a car runs.
Last I checked, Dynos are pretty useful for mapping HP and TQ curves.
To your point, it would certainly help to make a direct comparision with an Si/RSX-S/etc on the same dyno under same test conditions. For reference, the RSX-S is 143 lbs lighter than the 06 Si.
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Typical stock Si's are trapping in the 92-94mph range, which does NOT indicate anywhere near 190-200whp. It indicates, to me, the 170-180whp range like anyone that has common sense has said. A 190-200whp car will trap in the 97-99mph range. See any stock Si's doing that, lately? Hell, seen ANY Si's doing that, lately?
Sure I have. Some are trapping upwards 97 and 98 mph. I think it's more of a case of owners still learning how to launch....
http://forums.clubrsx.com/showthread.php?s=52e3d86f8565ec50f97525123f8f7285&t=383857
One guy runs 14.8@96 then on another run runs 14.8@93mph and you think it's representative of what the car should run?
First of all that timesheet is so fishy, how did he lose 3mph but still ran the same time and with almost the same 60' time. Looks like a timing error to me.
95% of the new Sis out there that have posted their times and also the few ones I've seen at the track are running like [Email]14.9-15.2@92-94mph.[/Email] Sorry, it can't be all bad drivers.
190whp should be a lot faster. The em1 Civic which is only 300lbs lighter would be knocking on 13s with that kind of horsepower. You know it.
Put down the crack pipe please and let's try this again.
Maybe the 06' Si typically dynoes high for some reason. The car might be a little bit of a dyno queen. Who knows? All I know is that 190whp means it should have about 230-240 at the flywheel and we all know there's no way it has that much.
Edited by cliff st-clair (05/17/06 08:33 PM)
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#261349 - 05/17/06 10:28 PM
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One guy runs [Email]14.8@96[/Email] then on another run runs [Email]14.8@93mph[/Email] and you think it's representative of what the car should run?
First of all that timesheet is so fishy, how did he lose 3mph but still ran the same time and with almost the same 60' time. Looks like a timing error to me.
There are other explainations, though, without having to go so far as to assume faulty track equipment, which I would doubt is the case. Say on one run he has a series of mediocre shifts. The next run he botches an early shift (but not the launch, causing the 60' times to be roughly equal), but hits the next shifts flawlessly. He has a higher trap speed due to the excellent shifts, but still ran the same ET due to his poor shift early in the run.
Completely possible. Likely, even.
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#261350 - 05/17/06 11:47 PM
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Umm, how can someone who had an 11 second car not know that your trapspeed is your terminal velocity at the end of the quarter mile, not your average speed ? No 1/4 mile track uses your average speed.
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#261351 - 05/18/06 12:36 AM
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190whp should be a lot faster. The em1 Civic which is only 300lbs lighter would be knocking on 13s with that kind of horsepower. You know it.
Put down the crack pipe please and let's try this again.
Maybe the 06' Si typically dynoes high for some reason. The car might be a little bit of a dyno queen. Who knows? All I know is that 190whp means it should have about 230-240 at the flywheel and we all know there's no way it has that much.
i dynoed my old EM1 after all my mods and got 193whp, but when i took it to the track i couldn't break 15 flat b/c of the main pitfall of FWD cars at the track..............TRACTION!!!!!
as i've stated in previous posts in this thread the 06 is rated at a lower comparable HP than it would have been if it would have come out 2 years ago so your estimation of BHP to WHP is off
and check out what TOV got out of there pre-production Si
TOV - 06 Si Dyno Results
like they state the pre-production models tend to dyno better because honda hand builds the cars before handing it over to whoever gets them
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#261352 - 05/18/06 06:21 AM
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yablargo
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Lower trap means he launched lower and didnt spin much, at all. My best time has come from a pretty low trap speed.
Dont you usually trap lower with slicks on as well?
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#261353 - 05/18/06 09:45 AM
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Cicada
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Stop bench racing and go out and drive your cars.
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#261355 - 05/18/06 04:51 PM
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cliff st-clair
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Umm, how can someone who had an 11 second car not know that your trapspeed is your terminal velocity at the end of the quarter mile, not your average speed ? No 1/4 mile track uses your average speed.
And how exactly are you going to prove that?
Please, do not come here and make an ass out of yourself with a dumbfounded comment such as this. Especially if it's going to be your first post.
Geez.
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#261358 - 05/18/06 08:00 PM
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MR WRX
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Umm, how can someone who had an 11 second car not know that your trapspeed is your terminal velocity at the end of the quarter mile, not your average speed ? No 1/4 mile track uses your average speed.
And how exactly are you going to prove that?
Please, do not come here and make an ass out of yourself with a dumbfounded comment such as this. Especially if it's going to be your first post.
Geez.
Umm, how about basic math. If trap speed was the average speed, you could calculate this yourself very easily since you know the distance traveled and the time it took to travel that distance. For example, lets say a Civic Si has an ET of say 15 seconds throught the 1/4 flat for simplicities sake. The average speed would be 1/4 times 240(this is how many times 15 seconds goes into one hour so that the denominator is in hours so we can get mile per hour). This would be an average speed of 60mph through the 1320. Have you ever seen someone with a 60mph trap with a 15 second et. Or, you could simply look down at your speed after you go throughth traps. I trap at 100mph, and what do you know, when I look down at my speedo throught the traps I'm going - tadda - 100mph.
How about knowing what your talking about before spouting miss-information on the net Mr. "11 seconds", or taking some math classes.
Trap speed is generally a good indication of the power a car is putting out, while ET is the ability of that person or car to put down the power effectively, i.e., not spinning the tires too much or bogging too much.
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#261359 - 05/18/06 09:07 PM
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cliff st-clair
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Umm, how can someone who had an 11 second car not know that your trapspeed is your terminal velocity at the end of the quarter mile, not your average speed ? No 1/4 mile track uses your average speed.
And how exactly are you going to prove that?
Please, do not come here and make an ass out of yourself with a dumbfounded comment such as this. Especially if it's going to be your first post.
Geez.
Umm, how about basic math. If trap speed was the average speed, you could calculate this yourself very easily since you know the distance traveled and the time it took to travel that distance. For example, lets say a Civic Si has an ET of say 15 seconds throught the 1/4 flat for simplicities sake. The average speed would be 1/4 times 240(this is how many times 15 seconds goes into one hour so that the denominator is in hours so we can get mile per hour). This would be an average speed of 60mph through the 1320. Have you ever seen someone with a 60mph trap with a 15 second et. Or, you could simply look down at your speed after you go throughth traps. I trap at 100mph, and what do you know, when I look down at my speedo throught the traps I'm going - tadda - 100mph.
How about knowing what your talking about before spouting miss-information on the net Mr. "11 seconds", or taking some math classes.
Trap speed is generally a good indication of the power a car is putting out, while ET is the ability of that person or car to put down the power effectively, i.e., not spinning the tires too much or bogging too much.
Hey Dildo, pshhht....you're just digging your own grave ,
I never said trap speed is the average for the whole 1320'. Go back to reading my post mr WRX. If you can't understand simple English you're just not worth arguing with.
As far as my former 11sec car that you seem to think was a fantasy, well I've been in this forum for 5 years, I've got plenty of folks who can vouch for me and my old car. I've drag raced it for s6 years, going through n/a mods, a supercharger and then a built turbo engine. I've got nothing to prove to you though.
You on the other hand, from what I can tell, are probably a novice or completely estranged to drag racing. So do us all a favor and STFU and go learn your shit before you come here attacking me with your nonsense.
Thanks.
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#261361 - 05/19/06 02:36 PM
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#261362 - 05/19/06 04:46 PM
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cliff st-clair
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Hmmm... Mustang dynos typically read lower than say a dynojet or dynapack. But it's possible that it was calibrated to read high.
I fail to see your main point though, I mean, why would you even bring your car into the discussion if you didn't think it actually made a believable 193whp? As far as the low numbers on my jrsc well, the 00 Si had roughly 132whp stock. I'm not sure how you can expect to get much more than 50whp out of that shitty blower that came with that kit.
I did get it to 225whp later on though, with a 10psi pulley and hondata tuning. It ran 13.7@104mph then, but the motor blew eventually.
But back on the topic at hand though, which should be summed up with the following statement: The 06 Si if it had indeed 190whp, would be a legit mid 14sec car, but it's not, so therefore it makes nowhere near 190whp in reality, no matter what those dynos say. Anyone who believe it does is just another blindsided fanboi.
Amen.
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#261363 - 05/19/06 06:20 PM
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Jokieman
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It might be the dyno. For instance, my butt dyno had me at eleventybajillion WHP, but I am pretty sure that was high.
It's called TORQUE, and the cobalt SS has 200 Ft lbs of it, and the Civic SI is what? 138 or so?
Torque=speed off the line Horsepower=Top End.
That's why the civic's trap speeds aren't as good.
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#261364 - 05/19/06 06:22 PM
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Jokieman
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well i bet the gear ratios in the cobalt are shit and that is another factor you have to take into effect on the drag strip & also take into effect the Si gets the benefit of an LSD
it's tough to estimate a car's 1/4 mile time based upon it's dynoed WHP b/c there are too many unknowns on the track vs the controlled environment of the dyno
like i said in my previous post i think the numbers are slightly inflated............like 10-15hp to the high side
Cobalt has the G85 package that includes an LSD as well. Gear Ratio's are fine. Civic's just don't have as much torque which means they're going to be a bit slower off the line until they reach the high revs.
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#261365 - 05/19/06 07:10 PM
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TeamRedlineEBP
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I fail to see your main point though, I mean, why would you even bring your car into the discussion if you didn't think it actually made a believable 193whp?
i brought my car's high dyno results to disagree with another posters post(06redsi) of a mustang dyno being an accurate dyno
but i originally brought my car up to compare the HP rating systems and to show people that the difference between BHP & WHP are less now b/c of the new SAE ratings
I used my car as the EM1 to compare it to what the 06 Si would have been expected to dyno using the old ratings here:
00 SI - 160bhp -------140whp(using dynoject) 06 SI - 197bhp -------173whp(what it could be using 7bhp:8whp ratio)
with the new rating systems cars are actually listed with10-15BHP less from what they would have been released using the old system
ie- 06 Si would have had between 210-215BHP using the old system, so to dyno a stock 06 and get in the 180's in WHP isn't out of the question for the car if it was stock
also, remember Honda had originally listed the 06 Si with 200 BHP, but dropped it some to give more incentive for buyers to consider the RSX-S and for insurance premiums
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But back on the topic at hand though, which should be summed up with the following statement: The 06 Si if it had indeed 190whp, would be a legit mid 14sec car, but it's not, so therefore it makes nowhere near 190whp in reality, no matter what those dynos say
the original poster did have some mods done to his car(intake, exhaust, intake manifold gasket), so his car should put out numbers a little higher than the factory set, but my opinion was that they were somewhat inflated and if he was to dyno using a dynapack his results would be more accurate
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#261366 - 05/21/06 09:35 AM
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cliff st-clair
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It might be the dyno. For instance, my butt dyno had me at eleventybajillion WHP, but I am pretty sure that was high.
It's called TORQUE, and the cobalt SS has 200 Ft lbs of it, and the Civic SI is what? 138 or so?
Torque=speed off the line Horsepower=Top End.
That's why the civic's trap speeds aren't as good.
That is not entirely true. Torque allows you to get to your powerband faster, it's not going to make a difference in trap speed unless there is more horsepower.
I bet you a cobalt SS would pull a Civic Si from any speed, rolling starts from 30mph, 60. 90mph, I'd expect the SS to beat it because it's simply more powerful.
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#261367 - 05/21/06 10:04 AM
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cliff st-clair
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I fail to see your main point though, I mean, why would you even bring your car into the discussion if you didn't think it actually made a believable 193whp?
i brought my car's high dyno results to disagree with another posters post(06redsi) of a mustang dyno being an accurate dyno
but i originally brought my car up to compare the HP rating systems and to show people that the difference between BHP & WHP are less now b/c of the new SAE ratings
I used my car as the EM1 to compare it to what the 06 Si would have been expected to dyno using the old ratings here:
00 SI - 160bhp -------140whp(using dynoject) 06 SI - 197bhp -------173whp(what it could be using 7bhp:8whp ratio)
with the new rating systems cars are actually listed with10-15BHP less from what they would have been released using the old system
ie- 06 Si would have had between 210-215BHP using the old system, so to dyno a stock 06 and get in the 180's in WHP isn't out of the question for the car if it was stock
also, remember Honda had originally listed the 06 Si with 200 BHP, but dropped it some to give more incentive for buyers to consider the RSX-S and for insurance premiums
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But back on the topic at hand though, which should be summed up with the following statement: The 06 Si if it had indeed 190whp, would be a legit mid 14sec car, but it's not, so therefore it makes nowhere near 190whp in reality, no matter what those dynos say
the original poster did have some mods done to his car(intake, exhaust, intake manifold gasket), so his car should put out numbers a little higher than the factory set, but my opinion was that they were somewhat inflated and if he was to dyno using a dynapack his results would be more accurate
Ok, I guess we're slowly but surely getting on the same page. I understand why you think it should dyno around 180whp and heck maybe it does, but it still runs 15s for the most part or very high 14s at best. Even at 2870lbs (and most guys take out their spare and jack at the track so racing weight is uusually less than that) The car should be deeper in the 14s with even 180whp and it shoudl trap a lot higher than the common 92-93mph I see all the time.
That's why I said earlier that it performs like a car with 165-170whp.
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#261368 - 05/21/06 11:26 AM
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TeamRedlineEBP
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#261369 - 12/23/06 12:06 AM
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I fail to see your main point though, I mean, why would you even bring your car into the discussion if you didn't think it actually made a believable 193whp?
i brought my car's high dyno results to disagree with another posters post(06redsi) of a mustang dyno being an accurate dyno
but i originally brought my car up to compare the HP rating systems and to show people that the difference between BHP & WHP are less now b/c of the new SAE ratings
I used my car as the EM1 to compare it to what the 06 Si would have been expected to dyno using the old ratings here:
00 SI - 160bhp -------140whp(using dynoject) 06 SI - 197bhp -------173whp(what it could be using 7bhp:8whp ratio)
with the new rating systems cars are actually listed with10-15BHP less from what they would have been released using the old system
ie- 06 Si would have had between 210-215BHP using the old system, so to dyno a stock 06 and get in the 180's in WHP isn't out of the question for the car if it was stock
also, remember Honda had originally listed the 06 Si with 200 BHP, but dropped it some to give more incentive for buyers to consider the RSX-S and for insurance premiums
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But back on the topic at hand though, which should be summed up with the following statement: The 06 Si if it had indeed 190whp, would be a legit mid 14sec car, but it's not, so therefore it makes nowhere near 190whp in reality, no matter what those dynos say
the original poster did have some mods done to his car(intake, exhaust, intake manifold gasket), so his car should put out numbers a little higher than the factory set, but my opinion was that they were somewhat inflated and if he was to dyno using a dynapack his results would be more accurate
A mustang dyno is the most accurate dyno to use for tuning purposes because it applies a realistic load on the vehicle during the run. Most people don't like mustang dynos because they produce lower numbers (usually about 10% lower than a dyno jet)
In reality the peak numbers from a dyno mean absolutely nothing, who really cares??? Peak numbers are for bragging rights only. The true advantage to a dyno is for tuning the car, not a peak number. Those of us who have had their hands in Hondas for a while have seen so many dyno charts differ from car to car, mod to mod, etc... In the end, who really cares about peak numbers? Why even both posting them?? Go to the shop, get your car tuned properly (mustang dyno is your best bet imo) then post your track numbers, because that’s all that really matters. Dick’s 97 civic lx with a supercharger can produce 195whp at Don’s dyno tuning shop on 4th street, and make 175 whp at Bob’s big tune on 8th street the same day. As long as the cars tuned right, who gives a shit???
I don't doubt that the thread starter made 197whp (or whatever the number was) however; I also believe that my 05 rsx-s will make close to 200 whp at that same dyno. I am also willing to bet that both our cars will not make near that much power on a mustang dyno or some other dyno jet else where.
When your crank HP = your WHP you may want to call Houston with a problem!
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#261370 - 12/23/06 01:25 AM
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how shitty did you feel when you saw that your max hp was aroun 200, with all the shit you did to your car, your heart had to be broken, i wouldve killed myself. I know you said it was running rich but after ridin around with a turbo thinkin "my car is pimp" then to see those numbers damn man.
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